The complete "Should F2P get updates?" Debate! 5,000 views!

[unkn0wnwarrior]

Well ive played runescape for about 7 years now and ive only been a member for about 1 year, when i was f2p i would have strongly said heck yes we need MORE now im a member and i kinda think well we definetly get what we pay for...but yes i still think for all the ''f2pers'' they do need SOMETHING maybe not a ''new'' update but give them sumthing that us members alredy have, maybe make their beautiful rune scims poisoned or sumthing give em sharks cause it will be new to them so 1 more thing for them to get.Members get 1 thing a week so jagex probly works pretty hard to get this done...but i dont think any member will mind 1 week every month with no update and instead give an update to the f2pers,if u do well you must be a pretty greedy guy : mind u jagex might be doing this to get more money cause they are convincing f2pers to pay for membs since the f2pers want updates :-k

The only part I disagree with is the bolded portion. 2 reasons:

 

1- monthly may be going a little overboard with it.

 

2- many members would be extremely annoyed seeing as how they feel F2P have enough/too much already. Key word is many, as we have seen many that support occasional F2P updates as well.

 

As for convincing us who remain F2P to subscribe to members, it is failing on many of us.

[okdude9]

In my opnion nonmembers should get a new update ohh...maybe once every 2 months or so.My thinking like this is because when i was nonmember and i got a new update i was very happy,know this might just be me but it made me want ALL the new updates wich evntauly came to me being a member.Whic might be why jagex still does give the occasionale nonmem update

[muahahaha]

In my opnion nonmembers should get a new update ohh...maybe once every 2 months or so.My thinking like this is because when i was nonmember and i got a new update i was very happy,know this might just be me but it made me want ALL the new updates wich evntauly came to me being a member.Whic might be why jagex still does give the occasionale nonmem update

 

thats just u, the thing is most f2p who has been for 1 year+ does not agree with u :-s

[muahahaha]

Im a member, and i think f2p should atleast, get 4 updates every 6-7 months, we members dont have to be this selfish........

 

i dont want to sound like a jerk but i think thats too good for us f2ps to wish for. 1 update every 6-7 months just be a total miracle... (of course thats not even gonna happen)

[FaylinaMeir]

Heres my two cents.

 

 

 

If you're bored with the free play game, subscribe, its that simple. Yes I do understand the a lot of free players are children or early teen years whom do not have access to a credit card (legally), ask your parents though, If they say no then thats the end of it.

 

 

 

Really I think you should be thankful there is a free version of the game, most online games now a days don't even offer free version, its free trial then pay up.

 

 

 

Yes I AM a member, I subscribed because I got tired of the "loggin to member services" am I rich? Heck no, but I also know i spend 5 dollars a lot more foolish then just playing a game.

 

 

 

I think free play should get a small update once a year, sorry if that annoys some of you. or maybe a new quest twice a year plus a small update. I do agree though that f2p needs more bank space, heck members need more bank space, with the amass of objects they keep releasing.

 

 

 

the total reason that free play exists is they hope you'll get so annoyed with not getting anything new that you'll hop on the member banwagon and give it a try, its total marketing scam. Age old trick. Kinda like the says "grass is always greener on the other side"

 

 

 

all in all, don't whine about being a free player, its free, you can't have your cake and eat it to, if I pay 5 dollars a month, you should have to also (yes im one of those people) I don't think free players are second class citizans, infact I think you're great but seriously, pay up or shut up. Thats what i believe.

 

 

 

Oh and hatemail is not appriciated, nor is in game spam.

 

 

 

oh and side note, I think jagex should offer a 1 month free trial to members for all free players just to let them see how it is, might encourage more freebies to switch to the member services.

 

 

 

 

 

oh and before someone points this out to me: yes I realize those banners generate a few scraps of cash, however, I think the amount of free players is pretty equal to those who pay monthly, therefore I belive the amount of money we (member) vs f2p generates cannot be compared. Plus if any of you really have ran a website with those little clickie ads, you would know just how little you really get from them!

 

 

 

I'm done

 

 

 

Faylina

[kunasako]

Some genius cared to state that F2P'ers are lucky that they play for free. What is the basis for this argument? Almost everyone starts off a game they're just discovering through a tutorial, and truth be told, that is what F2P essentially is as no one can honestly say its comparable to Members. As a result it deserves to be updated every once in a while, to accurately mirror and engage the gamer into the true game which is updated constantly. Every once in a while does not mean every week, month, but every time a considerable change is made to the game play of the game the company wants you to pay to play: for example when a new skill comes out. F2P'ers who are playing when a new skill comes out for members have no way of knowing how it feels like, and as a result will probably not be convinced that its worth "switching over" if they don't even know its worth.

 

 

 

Oh and for people quoting the Stronghold of Security as an Update....Though it is nice for training and whatnot, it wasn't given to serve as an update but to stop newer players (and some old) from being scammed, so Jagex did not really have a choice, as it was the only way they would get most people to actually pay attention to security. How many F2Pers can honestly say they would have recovery questions if they didn't need them to recieve the funky shoes from the Stronghold? Not me, and probably not many others. The new prayers, now thats an update, I can agree on that, and it accurately provides an example of what elevated members play can provide.

 

 

 

One update I do want to stress though is bank space! New items come out continuously, and though there is an option to destroy and retrieve holiday items, it still leaves banks packed to the full and demanding more. A clever option that would not require more bank space is to make random event clothing (probably the main source of bank clutter) to be destroyable and retrievable like current holiday drops.

[FaylinaMeir]

A clever option that would not require more bank space is to make random event clothing (probably the main source of bank clutter) to be destroyable and retrievable like current holiday drops

 

 

 

Here here to that

[nadir]

i was a few months ftp. it was nice until i craved more and more about

 

member's items and skills. and i upgraded to members. i held on to p2p as

 

much as i could, and waited (im)patiently when i had to be for some time

 

back p2p

 

 

 

i think f2p shoud get only updates in graphics and sounds.

 

why?

 

because f2p is to give you a taste, to get to a level where you know what

 

the game is all about, to see the graphics and ideas and what other things

 

you care most, then decide

 

 

 

1. i like the game

 

---a) i can afford, so i upgrade

 

---B) i can't (for various reasons), but i still thing it's a good investment

 

of my time and i'll continue to play f2p until i can afford p2p

 

---c) i like only f2p

 

2. i don't like the game

 

 

 

some say: ok, but it is outdated, needs new quests, etc

 

i say: you know the taste, you MUST decide: no runescape, f2p or p2p,

 

but p2p is to GET those quests, etc

 

 

 

some say: ftp gives loads of cash to jagex, more than members

 

as was said before: if that would be true, then p2p would not exist

 

 

 

some say: ftp deserves updates

 

(as said): ftp is only to give you TASTE, not new quests

 

 

 

 

 

on to numbers:

 

 

 

"So 4,500,000>2,500,000Y

 

4,500,000/2,500,000=1.8, which is>y"

 

you forget it's not y=1.8 in the following, its ">"

 

because of that, you must ask someone that knows about this stuff

 

(ads and payment for them) if 1.8 = y or more likely (IMHO) 0.1 = y

 

 

 

 

 

was stated that jagex has loads of proffits:

 

(number here) for salaries

 

(number here) for bonusses

 

(number here) for servers and bandwidth

 

 

 

you forgot that:

 

(at least in my country) for 100% net income of the worker 60% MORE

 

is payed to different stuff:

 

pensions, healthcare, others

 

 

 

those (stated 200 workers, but it's a suspect round number to me :P)

 

200 workers DON'T work at home, they have a workplace, that needs:

 

equipped (don't tell me furniture/computers are cheap)

 

payed maintenance: various stuff including electric bill for 200 computers

 

working

 

and not the least, payed rent or bought the place

 

(i doubt the office housing 200 workers cost little)

 

 

 

after you deduct all these you have the proffit. wich is taxed (as already stated).

 

but wait. the people that made the innitial investment shoud

 

have a share of the proffits too, right?

 

 

 

 

 

ok... now it was stated that ftp shoud have more content to atract more

 

players to p2p. i think that's a contradiction. if you put more in ftp, there

 

is less reason to go p2p. and p2p exists because it's more PROFFITABLE.

 

so the most proffitable way to go is to put at least as possible new

 

quests/stuff in ftp

 

 

 

 

 

what would i do? all runescape content available for free.

 

why? because i would not have to pay (and i work for that cash and in

 

my country the pay is not that great, so it's bordering the amount

 

of cash i'm willing to spend) and because i could skill with

 

some f2p friends that i have

 

 

 

what will Jagex do IMHO? if you read carefully, you know the answer :P

[keutel_force]

I think f2p should get the elder stuff of p2p

 

That woudl be about the same as with movies, when they are new, you pay to see them in a cinema and see it once, after some time you buy a DVD, which is more expensive, but you can watch as much times as you want, and after 3 years, you get to see it for free on your television (and you can record it of you want).

 

With that system, p2p get stuff for their money as they get it immediately when it is released, and after some time, p2ps get a bit bored of the stuff, and they dont do it anymore.

 

maybe we could have a cat, I mean, everything is placed in f2p world, except where the old cat if Gertrude is, but that is just a little place.

[mikephoto]

maybe one in a while but not ahuge update just something small but f2p is just a tater to get them in the game if they keept getting new stuff all the time who whould want to pay for it?

[suyihai0]

I think Jagex has a reason 4 not giving f2p no updates. Being a ex-member myself, i now feel totally boring playing on a f2p. However, i can understand as Jagex need to make money so they made ppl think f2p is boring and switch to p2p. but to those ppl who r poor or children who parents dun let them pay, runescape is gettin less and less favourable. (this is the condition in my school)

[ianer101]

F2P, do get updates...kind of. Well they get the holiday events just like members do, and theres graphical updates too.

 

Personally, I think F2P shouldn't get updates. If F2P, got regular updates like P2P does, then there would be less people signing up for membership

 

Well i am a f2p and id rather get some cooler updates than just holiday items and graphical updates and i believe most f2p agrees with me. Id rather not get those (especially the graphical ones) and get some real updates (like some new skills or some new items)

 

obviously you want updates, the question is why should you get them? it's not like you pay, or contribute to the game except for a small amount of money due to the ads that you don't read. members pay for jagex's effort, and that is why we get the updates. all you have to do to get updates is pay a measly $5 ($8 in Canada), you can even do it through the mail if your parents won't let you use their credit cards.

 

in case u havent noticed (if u ever log on a f2p world) THERE IS AN AD AT THE TOP. Jagex earn more mny from than the mny from p2p

 

One million members times $5 US a month=$5 million US a month. If you think Jagex is getting paid more than 60 million US a year to run ads, you really should go back to grade school, if you aren't there right now.

 

u r making me sick. So u think that f2p should be De-graded or something? it sure sounds like it.

 

what??? i never said free should be degraded. you suggested that Jagex is receiving more than $60million a year for the ads on free servers, and now you're making things up. :shame:

[Ridcullyw]

Opeth wrote:

i dont think this has been said but it doesnt make sense in any sort of financial way to give updates to f2p. if you give them updates then they will have no reason to upgrade to members.

 

 

 

On the contrary,

 

I believe that jagex will eventually have to update free to play.

 

 

 

Most free to plays do not know how good members is. An update like this would "give them a taste" of what the world is like beyond f2p.

 

 

 

And Ive said this before, most members started out as free to players. Eventually Jagex will have to give free to plays some updates. After all, most people only buy membership based on what they have seen in free to play.

[sonerohi]

i'd say they deserve 2 or 3 updates a year, i mean for the month that my membership expired all f2p was was skilling. they don't have very many good monsters to train on, fishing is nearly impossible to lvl up for them,, etc. we members get things alot easier since we have higher monsters (why members would own f2p in an all out war, we can get combat up easy). we have the fishing guild, we have barrows and dragon, we have ancients. and yet, without f2p the economy would be way less stabe. f2p supplies yews, coal, iron, feathers, willows and more. they buy the trimmed armor, they buy lobsters and swordfish. if either side was eliminated then the remaining side would soon crumble because we depend on f2p for resources that we don't supply and f2p depends on us for resources they can't get.

[sonerohi]

i also think that on tutorial island f2p should be able to test members skills but not take them any higher than lvl 2.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

if either side was eliminated then the remaining side would soon crumble because we depend on f2p for resources that we don't supply and f2p depends on us for resources they can't get.

I believe this is referred to as a symbiotic relationship (AKA symbiosis). And I must agree that it is a very good example of one.

 

 

 

i also think that on tutorial island f2p should be able to test members skills but not take them any higher than lvl 2.

Better yet, make it a 0 exp gain and have a time limit of sorts. Of course, farming would be interesting with a time limit...

[sonowar]

I think f2p should get the elder stuff of p2p

 

That woudl be about the same as with movies, when they are new, you pay to see them in a cinema and see it once, after some time you buy a DVD, which is more expensive, but you can watch as much times as you want, and after 3 years, you get to see it for free on your television (and you can record it of you want).

 

With that system, p2p get stuff for their money as they get it immediately when it is released, and after some time, p2ps get a bit bored of the stuff, and they dont do it anymore.

 

maybe we could have a cat, I mean, everything is placed in f2p world, except where the old cat if Gertrude is, but that is just a little place.

 

 

 

exactly the point i was making but everyone ignored a couple of days ago. If f2p people want to know what members is like it would surly be better to give them something that IS members rather than something members have never done?

 

 

 

This would also stop the problem developing of p2p becoming f2p and f2p not becoming p2p. - if you relase the updates a couple of years later (and perhaps slower? maybe 1 a month not 1 a week?) then people would still become members because theyed want them quicker.

 

 

 

dont belive it? - have a look around the market square in whatever town u live in next time ure in town on a sunday mourning - odds are you will find a stand selling pirate dvds of things only just coming out at the cinima. why? because people like to by illeagly made dvds? nope - because people dont like to wait for things - and the same principle would work for jagex.

[jimm]

iam f2p and i reckon it should stay as is. we could do with another skill(construction :thumbsup: ) and more bank space. just a few little things but we do get updates. stronghold of security (i love that thanks jagex :D ) and the cool stuff for holiday events. im happy being a f2p just leave it as is (maybe give us a skill and bank space) :D and if f2p took a care to notice we can now vte in the polls.

[jimm]

I think Jagex has a reason 4 not giving f2p no updates. Being a ex-member myself, i now feel totally boring playing on a f2p. However, i can understand as Jagex need to make money so they made ppl think f2p is boring and switch to p2p. but to those ppl who r poor or children who parents dun let them pay, runescape is gettin less and less favourable. (this is the condition in my school)

 

 

 

hey same here... there all playing maple story :lol:

[Lord_Firer]

ianer101.

 

 

 

what??? i never said free should be degraded. you suggested that Jagex is receiving more than $60million a year for the ads on free servers, and now you're making things up.

 

 

 

Look at ur sig.

 

You prob think it's cool. You prob think it's funny.

 

 

 

It is neather of those.

 

It says " Join the campaign for LESS F2P bank space"

 

 

 

Obviosly you do want it to be degraded

[nitromike858hotmailcom]

i think f2p user s should get the odd update. maybe 1 or 2 a year. i pay 7 dollars and 30 Cents a month canadian to get updates so why should f2pers get the same thing as me when i pay? also, if f2p got good updates, then what would be the point in being a member? and for people who say they cant afford it then if they cant afford 7 bucks a month, then they should be worrying about their next meal and not a game.

 

 

 

People who are f2p should be MORE THAN GLAD THAT JAGEX EVEN HAS f2P. i dont see xbox 360's with a "free to play setting". be happy with what you have and quit asking for more!

[malo2]

F2P, do get updates...kind of. Well they get the holiday events just like members do, and theres graphical updates too.

 

Personally, I think F2P shouldn't get updates. If F2P, got regular updates like P2P does, then there would be less people signing up for membership

 

Well i am a f2p and id rather get some cooler updates than just holiday items and graphical updates and i believe most f2p agrees with me. Id rather not get those (especially the graphical ones) and get some real updates (like some new skills or some new items)

 

obviously you want updates, the question is why should you get them? it's not like you pay, or contribute to the game except for a small amount of money due to the ads that you don't read. members pay for jagex's effort, and that is why we get the updates. all you have to do to get updates is pay a measly $5 ($8 in Canada), you can even do it through the mail if your parents won't let you use their credit cards.

 

in case u havent noticed (if u ever log on a f2p world) THERE IS AN AD AT THE TOP. Jagex earn more mny from than the mny from p2p

 

One million members times $5 US a month=$5 million US a month. If you think Jagex is getting paid more than 60 million US a year to run ads, you really should go back to grade school, if you aren't there right now.

 

u r making me sick. So u think that f2p should be De-graded or something? it sure sounds like it.

 

what??? i never said free should be degraded. you suggested that Jagex is receiving more than $60million a year for the ads on free servers, and now you're making things up. :shame:

as far as I can see, you are the one making things up, he never said anything about 60 million.

[Lord_Firer]

Yeah, ur right.

[Tetsuya]

I think 1 update every 2 months for f2p would be fair. Inlcuding some updates members got a long time ago(like stated before).

[jackm]

if f2p players dont get updates they will start to get board

 

 

 

~~~ you finally finish all the quests and get the rune (g) you always wanted now what? your just a f2p no more quests will come along, you mine as well read a book :shock: so you stop playing. soon a lot of f2p players are stop playing. not mingleing in verrok square and there are no noobs to pray on in the wild. Jagex starts to loose money because no f2p players are looking at the adds soon most f2p players have abandon runescape and Jagex losses more and more money. then jagex wont be able to fund its self and has to shut down ruining it for all players~~~

 

 

 

if jagex cant keep f2p players interested then it might eventualy ruin it for every one :cry:

 

 

 

thank you for reading my opinion :