The complete "Should F2P get updates?" Debate! 5,000 views!

[dwarfie76]

Whats that supposed to mean? Almost everyone I know didn't become members after only 2 months(myself included). And some waited years before they bought members

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It means that your friends leeched as much as possible out of the game without paying before even considering handing over a measly five bucks. So for a considerable amount of time Jagex (and the people who pay for members) subsidised your enjoyment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you'd known that you only had 2 months in which to decide you liked the game enough to pay you would have signed up for members within two months instead of after a couple of years.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cutting down the time taken to convert free players to paying players is definitely smarter, if it also has the unintended consequence of sifting long-term leeches out of the system then doubly so.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If Jagex did limit f2p like that it would well possibly ruin Runescape.

 

 

 

On what grounds?

[Tetsuya]

It means that your friends leeched as much as possible out of the game without paying before even considering handing over a measly five bucks. So for a considerable amount of time Jagex (and the people who pay for members) subsidised your enjoyment.

 

 

 

You seem to completely ignore the fact that f2p makes money from ads.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you'd known that you only had 2 months in which to decide you liked the game enough to pay you would have signed up for members within two months instead of after a couple of years.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cutting down the time taken to convert free players to paying players is definitely smarter, if it also has the unintended consequence of sifting long-term leeches out of the system then doubly so.

 

 

 

If they did that I probably wouldn't have paid for members and quit Runescape all together after the 2 months. And Jagex wouldn't have seen a cent of my money.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cutting off potential members as well as constant ad revenue would definitely not be smarter. In fact. It would be very stupid.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On what grounds?

 

 

 

Read my reply to your previous quote.

[dooby_hoo]

Seriously, I have freinds who play and are f2p and they complain all of the time :wall: #-o .

 

 

 

I think that f2p should get as follows:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 new skill every 18 months

 

 

 

1 new quest every 4-6 months

 

 

 

this way if they cant egt memebr for whatever reason, they can still keep enjoying the game, adn eventaully they might become p2p anyways

[dwarfie76]

You seem to completely ignore the fact that f2p makes money from ads.

 

 

 

That F2P makes a minimal amount from advertising does not in any way imply that you have "paid".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If they did that I probably wouldn't have paid for members and quit Runescape all together after the 2 months. And Jagex wouldn't have seen a cent of my money.

 

 

 

Probably not... that you did switch to members would indicate otherwise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cutting off potential members as well as constant ad revenue would definitely not be smarter. In fact. It would be very stupid.

 

 

 

After two months they are no longer accurately described as "potential members" but "active leeches".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Read my reply to your previous quote.

 

 

 

I was asking on what grounds you felt that having fewer f2p leeches and a higher conversion rate to members could possibly "ruin" the game. Something you've yet to expand on.

[walka92]

heres war i rekon

 

 

 

 

 

jagex updates members about once a week

 

 

 

they should update nonmembers once every 3

 

 

 

that way, they still ge updates, but not as many as members, because they dont pay

[dwarfie76]

that way, they still ge updates, but not as many as members, because they dont pay

 

 

 

So why do you think they should get any if they don't pay?

[Tetsuya]

That F2P makes a minimal amount from advertising does not in any way imply that you have "paid".

 

They make enough to profit from the f2p servers and constantly promote their members version.

 

 

 

Probably not... that you did switch to members would indicate otherwise.

 

After 2 months, no. I've played RS since before members version existed. And after it came out it was about 8 months before I even put up my first $5. If they cut me off after 2 months, I probably would have quit.

 

 

 

After two months they are no longer accurately described as "potential members" but "active leeches".

 

It's your opinion. So it must be true! :roll:

 

 

 

I was asking on what grounds you felt that having fewer f2p leeches and a higher conversion rate to members could possibly "ruin" the game. Something you've yet to expand on.

 

Them being "leeches" is also only your opinion. f2p does help the game. And this "higher conversion rate" makes no sense. If anything the conversion rare would be much much lower if we cut off f2pers. and Jegex's business would undoubtedly fail. What's so hard to understand? :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:

[muahahaha]

The only thing F2P should get in some more bank space...seriously that things tiny!! Other than that its good as it is.

 

 

 

You can say F2P pays for most of Jagex earnings, but they dont pay themselves. P2P deserves the stuff they get because they pay themselfs, F2P in the other hand do not. They 'view' the ad, which the ad companies record and pay Jagex. The ad companies pay Jagex, not F2P players. What the Ad companies get is a hope that you'll buy thier product...

 

 

 

Im probably confusing you right now so I'll make it simple:

 

 

 

P2P Players -> Jagex

 

 

 

F2P Players....................Jagex

 

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Ad companies -> -> -> -> ^^

 

 

 

Arrows show signs of payments (periods just shows the space, ignore 'em)

 

P2P pays, so they get updates. F2P dont pay, so they dont get updates. Just because someone pays Jagex, doesn't mean F2P get rights for updates.

 

 

 

If YOU want something, YOU gotta pay.

 

Even though it is true that p2p pay jagex but wouldn't Jagex earn more mny if everyone was f2p? :-k

[unkn0wnwarrior]

Seriously, I have freinds who play and are f2p and they complain all of the time :wall: #-o .

 

I think that f2p should get as follows:

 

 

 

1 new skill every 18 months

 

1 new quest every 4-6 months

 

this way if they cant egt memebr for whatever reason, they can still keep enjoying the game, adn eventaully they might become p2p anyways

I have to disagree with the skills every 1.5 years. Leave F2P with the ones they have, and leave it at that. New quests every so often would be nice.

 

 

 

jagex updates members about once a week

 

 

 

they should update nonmembers once every 3

That may be a little too often. Perhaps only a couple of updates a year.

[muahahaha]

I think f2p deserve more. The only major changes since rsc is like the rc skill and the stronghold of security!!!!!!!! Even though they don't pay, jagex still ern more mny from f2p from the ads (mentioned above). Cuz wasnt the main reason rs exists is mny? Well most of my friends hav already quit cuz everythings the same :( .Jagex just lost some mny right there...US F2Ps DESERVE BETTER!

[muahahaha]

Seriously, I have freinds who play and are f2p and they complain all of the time :wall: #-o .

 

I think that f2p should get as follows:

 

 

 

1 new skill every 18 months

 

1 new quest every 4-6 months

 

this way if they cant egt memebr for whatever reason, they can still keep enjoying the game, adn eventaully they might become p2p anyways

I have to disagree with the skills every 1.5 years. Leave F2P with the ones they have, and leave it at that. New quests every so often would be nice.

 

 

 

jagex updates members about once a week

 

 

 

they should update nonmembers once every 3

That may be a little too often. Perhaps only a couple of updates a year.

 

Well from the first day of rsc to modern day rs2, only 1skill has been added to f2p. And as far as i know, no quests hav been added :evil:

[muahahaha]

Seriously, I have freinds who play and are f2p and they complain all of the time :wall: #-o .

 

I think that f2p should get as follows:

 

 

 

1 new skill every 18 months

 

1 new quest every 4-6 months

 

this way if they cant egt memebr for whatever reason, they can still keep enjoying the game, adn eventaully they might become p2p anyways

I have to disagree with the skills every 1.5 years. Leave F2P with the ones they have, and leave it at that. New quests every so often would be nice.

 

 

 

jagex updates members about once a week

 

 

 

they should update nonmembers once every 3

That may be a little too often. Perhaps only a couple of updates a year.

 

Theres like 1 update every 2 years average (except holiday items)

[muahahaha]

that way, they still ge updates, but not as many as members, because they dont pay

 

 

 

So why do you think they should get any if they don't pay?

 

cu if u dont every1 will quit and no f2p will ever be member

[dwarfie76]

cu if u dont every1 will quit and no f2p will ever be member

 

What a load of rot. People won't become members if they don't get regular F2P updates? Stop snorting the kitty litter.

[Kevin]

Jagex doesn't have to update F2P, it's not a matter of greed or anything because they've already given us so much, not many games give us so much for free. The main reason they don't update anymore is because there isn't much in it for them. (Almost negative sometimes, since as someone said if F2P gets so much there would be less members) Frankly, I think the arguement of them being greedy and that since it was a free game at first it should be free now is stupid. Lets put it this way, you bring a pack of gum to school and you're feeling nice today, so you give out gum to your freinds. The next day all your freinds and some of their freinds come by, wanting gum, you suddenly realize you're becoming quite popular, so you give them all one. Before the next day you get some more gum for your little community of gum lovers. Now, this goes on and on and then one day you realise you've gave up $50 worth of gum. You think to yourself how much money you're wasting. You decide to charge them a little, to cover up the fees, (ads in RuneScape) the people don't really mind, so they keep buying. Soon you realize half your school is buying gum from you and quite frankly, you're tired of buying gum for free. You want a little profit to cover up for buying it and selling it and maybe a little fun time for yourself, but you want the buisness to grow. What do you do, you decide to get a more "better" gum by charging more for it, much more better than the old one, and you decide to put deals on it, like say... free piece of gum every 7 buys. Now, the people that can't afford to get the "new" gum for whatever reason it is are a bit upset because they've been customers for so long and they're not getting any offers. Now, after reading that is there ANYTHING wrong with that? You could have just stopped selling the old gum or made old gum a higher price. This is quite similar to F2P RuneScape and how people are reacting to this. Unfortunately, most people that are upset only think for themselves and people similar to them, but not the company. I see your point, but I just can't agree. Now, if you don't mind, I'm going to bed, typing at 3 am gets a lot of rubbish down forums, anyways.

[Lord_Firer]

MORE UPDATES FOR F2P!!!!!!

 

Read everything I say before you get angry with me.

 

 

 

Ok, I don't really care what other people think, but as for people that say "it's not Jagexs falt that parents won't pay" etc. How would you feel if your parents just stopped paying for it, told you and forcedyou to stop spending ur money on Runescape etc.

 

 

 

Also, whats wrong with Jagex doing 1 update a month? I wouldn't care if they reduced the updates for members, and I am P2P. Unless you have 99 in all skills, own every rare and have the best weapons and amour, then you will always have something to do.

 

 

 

Can't Jagex be nice? I believe that they may be becoming too coporate. eg. Only pleasing ppl that pay. Runescape used to be just a game that was made for fun. Not money.

 

 

 

Even small changes make it more interesting to play. Things like the Stronge Hold were greatly welcomed by the F2P community.

 

 

 

Remember, nearly all of us were once free to play. If Jagex cuts out F2P, then P2P will to. No one will just buy something they have never tried, unless you have more money that brains (dwarfie76). :lol:

[hoffman]

If you can afford a Computer and A Internet service i think you can pay a measly 5$ bucks a month.

 

 

 

Less updates for F2P and more for P2P.

[danscaper]

F2P, do get updates...kind of. Well they get the holiday events just like members do, and theres graphical updates too.

 

Personally, I think F2P shouldn't get updates. If F2P, got regular updates like P2P does, then there would be less people signing up for membership

[Ridcullyw]

Tetsuya wrote:

 

Cutting off potential members as well as constant ad revenue would definitely not be smarter. In fact. It would be very stupid.

 

 

 

After two months they are no longer accurately described as "potential members" but "active leeches".

 

 

 

 

I don't believe this is true.

 

I am free to play and have been playing for 1 and 1/2 years

 

The first time i started playing, I thought it would be stupid to pay money to get special privilages in the game. Now after i have seen how cool pay to play is im probably going to get membership.

 

 

 

The more time Jagex gets free to players to play, the more free to players might decide to become members

 

 

 

Also, the face of free to play is the face of runescape to the world....might as well make it good

 

 

 

Take in to account the add issue, and the almost 9 times more free to plays then members, i believe that jagex has a motivation to make free to play better.

[ianer101]

That F2P makes a minimal amount from advertising does not in any way imply that you have "paid".

 

They make enough to profit from the f2p servers and constantly promote their members version.

 

pshh. the only reason jagex keeps free is to attract people to mems. free shouldnt get updates, and dont whine about how it needs updates, more bank space, etc. people join mems for updates and bank space.

 

 

 

Probably not... that you did switch to members would indicate otherwise.

 

After 2 months, no. I've played RS since before members version existed. And after it came out it was about 8 months before I even put up my first $5. If they cut me off after 2 months, I probably would have quit.

 

and?

 

 

 

After two months they are no longer accurately described as "potential members" but "active leeches".

 

It's your opinion. So it must be true! :roll:

 

ok, maybe two months is a bit extreme. but there are supposedly around 10 million runescape players. 9 million are free, around 1 million pay. i would say that around 6-7 million of those free players have never even considered becoming a member. They are clearly leeches, and don't deserve updates.

 

 

 

I was asking on what grounds you felt that having fewer f2p leeches and a higher conversion rate to members could possibly "ruin" the game. Something you've yet to expand on.

 

Them being "leeches" is also only your opinion. f2p does help the game. And this "higher conversion rate" makes no sense. If anything the conversion rare would be much much lower if we cut off f2pers. and Jegex's business would undoubtedly fail. What's so hard to understand? :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:

 

ok, so maybe i haven't a clue what "higher converson rates" are. we also shouldnt cut off f2p players, f2p is, in a sense, a trial version of members, except without the really good stuff.

 

 

 

free players really shouldnt get updates, except of course, for graphic updates, and things like the stronghold of security. they definitely shouldnt get new quests, they already have 18, which, although it is nothing in comparison with the 120-something quests we members have, is enough to convince someone to become a member, if they intend to do so.

[21emeralds]

f2p should get updates i think but not as good as memeber ones

 

 

 

updates should be like: new f2p monsters,new f2p quests and f2p areas

[ianer101]

why should f2p get new items, quests, areas? the only way they pay jagex is through ad revenues, which jagex uses to maintain the free servers.

 

 

 

f2p doesnt deserve the time and effort required for new updates. If you want to get updates, pay for them and give jagex a reason to give you updates. saying that free updates shouldnt be as good as member updates or released later is bull, if you dont give you wont get. :boohoo:

[X_Fat4lyfe_X]

" You don't pay, you don't get"-you must realize how bratty you sound.

 

 

 

More bratty than "Hey Jagex, thanks for the free game and all, but MORE FREE STUFF!!!" ?

 

 

 

I think not.

 

 

 

You generalize the attitude of free players into "OMG JAgex, phr33 5t00f pl0x!!" This is not the case. I'll get back to this further down in my post.

 

 

 

On a financial note-

 

Jagex makes over $54 MILLION dollars-

 

900,000 x $5 =4,500, 000.

 

$4,500,000 x 12 = 54,000,000

 

-a year. That, plus advertising money, minus staff costs, and server costs is still a heck of a lot of money. Considering that there are over 2,500,000 free players, it would not be the end of the world to give the free players an update. An update or two, a new quest would not make people say "Oh, since there is a new quest every blue moon, members is not worth it. "

 

 

 

Now, back to the attitude of free players. Yes, there are low levels who beg and whine. Yes, there are scammers. Yes, there are foul-mouthed low level pures who think that they own the place. But the nice people who aren't members for some reason or another should not suffer because there are players who scam, beg, etc.

 

Remember, just because free players don't pay to play the game, does not make them inferior to the people who pay.

 

- X Fat4lyfe X -

[johntm]

I think Jagex should play it smart (business-wise) and make a few f2p updates.

 

 

 

Why?

 

Because all members once were f2pers.

 

 

 

Not all p2ps were f2ps. I was and i think f2ps should get a few updates a year but i have 2 friends who signed up to be a member rite after they made an account.

 

 

 

Also, dont say jagex cant attract ppl, when i started 30k peeps was alot...now like 200k play at once.

[muahahaha]

F2P, do get updates...kind of. Well they get the holiday events just like members do, and theres graphical updates too.

 

Personally, I think F2P shouldn't get updates. If F2P, got regular updates like P2P does, then there would be less people signing up for membership

 

Well i am a f2p and id rather get some cooler updates than just holiday items and graphical updates and i believe most f2p agrees with me. Id rather not get those (especially the graphical ones) and get some real updates (like some new skills or some new items)