The complete "Should F2P get updates?" Debate! 5,000 views!

[Nightpolice]

I was a member for a while, and will continue once I straighten a few things up.

 

 

 

But free player definately needs an update of sorts.

 

 

 

Anyway, pay by cash costs about 7.30$ a month anyhow, not the normal 5$.

 

 

 

I know, 'cause I paid.

[hitman76]

I think Jagex should play it smart (business-wise) and make a few f2p updates.

 

 

 

Why?

 

Because all members once were f2pers.

 

 

 

Not all p2ps were f2ps. I was and i think f2ps should get a few updates a year but i have 2 friends who signed up to be a member rite after they made an account.

 

 

 

Also, dont say jagex cant attract ppl, when i started 30k peeps was alot...now like 200k play at once.

 

True say john, lots of people have been hooked to runescape, although runescape loses players often, many others join. i think jagex should actually update the f2p's not with a new stat, but with some extra features, maybe a couple monsters (rock crabs might be nice?). they should also add a dungeon type thing so that karmaja and other hot training spots don't get too crouded and people don't give up on the game.

 

 

 

But hey, thats just my opinion :XD:

[muahahaha]

why should f2p get new items, quests, areas? the only way they pay jagex is through ad revenues, which jagex uses to maintain the free servers.

 

 

 

f2p doesnt deserve the time and effort required for new updates. If you want to get updates, pay for them and give jagex a reason to give you updates. saying that free updates shouldnt be as good as member updates or released later is bull, if you dont give you wont get. :boohoo:

 

if it were not jagex gives like 1 update a year, i wouldve have quit and long long time ago. Now i might become a member. Get it?????? every f2p would quit if we dont get anything

[muahahaha]

Many f2p high lvs i see are used-to-be p2p. i know this is a little off topic but i wonder y so many hi lvs quit membership... :-k :-k :-k :-k :-k

[ianer101]

F2P, do get updates...kind of. Well they get the holiday events just like members do, and theres graphical updates too.

 

Personally, I think F2P shouldn't get updates. If F2P, got regular updates like P2P does, then there would be less people signing up for membership

 

Well i am a f2p and id rather get some cooler updates than just holiday items and graphical updates and i believe most f2p agrees with me. Id rather not get those (especially the graphical ones) and get some real updates (like some new skills or some new items)

 

obviously you want updates, the question is why should you get them? it's not like you pay, or contribute to the game except for a small amount of money due to the ads that you don't read. members pay for jagex's effort, and that is why we get the updates. all you have to do to get updates is pay a measly $5 ($8 in Canada), you can even do it through the mail if your parents won't let you use their credit cards.

[muahahaha]

I was a member for a while, and will continue once I straighten a few things up.

 

 

 

But free player definately needs an update of sorts.

 

 

 

Anyway, pay by cash costs about 7.30$ a month anyhow, not the normal 5$.

 

 

 

I know, 'cause I paid.

 

its 5 american dollars, if u live elswhere, it will be more or less

[Nightpolice]

Many f2p high lvs i see are used-to-be p2p. i know this is a little off topic but i wonder y so many hi lvs quit membership... :-k :-k :-k :-k :-k

 

 

 

After i get a skill cape or two, i'll go free agian. F2P is extremely less stressful.

[muahahaha]

F2P, do get updates...kind of. Well they get the holiday events just like members do, and theres graphical updates too.

 

Personally, I think F2P shouldn't get updates. If F2P, got regular updates like P2P does, then there would be less people signing up for membership

 

Well i am a f2p and id rather get some cooler updates than just holiday items and graphical updates and i believe most f2p agrees with me. Id rather not get those (especially the graphical ones) and get some real updates (like some new skills or some new items)

 

obviously you want updates, the question is why should you get them? it's not like you pay, or contribute to the game except for a small amount of money due to the ads that you don't read. members pay for jagex's effort, and that is why we get the updates. all you have to do to get updates is pay a measly $5 ($8 in Canada), you can even do it through the mail if your parents won't let you use their credit cards.

 

in case u havent noticed (if u ever log on a f2p world) THERE IS AN AD AT THE TOP. Jagex earn more mny from than the mny from p2p

[Nightpolice]

I was a member for a while, and will continue once I straighten a few things up.

 

 

 

But free player definately needs an update of sorts.

 

 

 

Anyway, pay by cash costs about 7.30$ a month anyhow, not the normal 5$.

 

 

 

I know, 'cause I paid.

 

its 5 american dollars, if u live elswhere, it will be more or less

 

 

 

I live in the US, when you pay by cash(or check) through the mail, it's like 7 buckaroos. Try it for yaself.

[muahahaha]

im really not gonna bother reading 14 pages full of arguments

 

 

 

but from my point of view

 

 

 

i was a member for about a eyar f2p again and currently member about another year so far

 

 

 

considering we get 2 quest a month average and then a new minigame once every 2 months or so and countless other updates why do people so strongly oppose f2p updates certaintly a faithfull person to the game thats been playing for years deserves a mild update other than holiday events and graphic updates. and these updates are both f2p and p2p and you never know if a mild update to f2p bring about an even better update pertaining to that which would be members only. think of the last time f2p got a real update only real notisable one is rs2 all the quest for f2p have been the same ones since i started playing back in 2002

 

 

 

edit: also just wondering all you opposers to f2p updates think about this if you were p2p for years and got all those wonderfull updates and suddely you could no longer afford to pay for whatever reason, but still faithfull to rs what would start thinking when you see all these updates week after week month after month year after year yet none for f2p dont you think after so long you deserve a measely update that wasnt just a graphic update, i mean people love better graphics but how many poeple would prefer something new to do rather than seeing a new face on a monster the train on. While jagex makes most of its money from p2p they still make substancial amount from f2p dont you think part of that income should be invested back into the game for their still loyal players you gotta remmber according the the Wall Street Journal RS has a base of around 900k p2p players but nearly 5 million active players that dont pay not including the players that dont play too often and arnt marked as active

 

totally agree :thumbsup:

[muahahaha]

I was a member for a while, and will continue once I straighten a few things up.

 

 

 

But free player definately needs an update of sorts.

 

 

 

Anyway, pay by cash costs about 7.30$ a month anyhow, not the normal 5$.

 

 

 

I know, 'cause I paid.

 

its 5 american dollars, if u live elswhere, it will be more or less

 

 

 

I live in the US, when you pay by cash(or check) through the mail, it's like 7 buckaroos. Try it for yaself.

 

cool, but thats a rip! :shock:

[muahahaha]

if your an economist you can clearly see the future of rs is its f2p population eventually those members grow up they might be young now but before you know it kids get jobs, go to college have a life and no more time for a silly old game, and all the while you f2p have gotten no new updates f2p base might begin declinning sooner or later f2p going to need more updates too keep those people intrested you cant just hope that eventually they just decide to start paying

 

 

 

Doesn't take an economist to realise that your argument is entirely specious (that's a fancy way of saying bollocks).

 

 

 

For starters, there is a never-ending stream of new players coming into the game. Jagex doesn't need to keep existing F2P players interested in the game in the vain hope that they will one day blow the dust off their wallet.

 

 

 

So while some F2P members might do everything they can do then leave, many more newbies are lining up to take their place.

 

some of my frends started and quited cuz every 1 called them "noobs" and as a weak noob, there wasnt much fun in playing rs unless u get help from a frend

[muahahaha]

I think the occasional update for F2P, maybe 1 or 2 every year on top of holiday events and graphical, would help by providing new incentive for people to play longer. Those who play longer will, more often than not, become members.

 

 

 

Unlikely... if anything I think Jagex would be smarter to have a two-month limit on F2P. If you don't switch over to members after two months you're unlikely to ever do it.

Actually, most people I know play for years before they even consider members.

 

u know dwarfie that is the most pathetic comment ive ever heard. No1 would become a member in 2 months!!! when i was first playing, i didnt play that much (like 4x a week and 1 hr every time i play) and i probly cant even find my way to port sarim at that time!!! and wat? if u dont become a member in 2 months u will never be inspired to be 1? I Believe a huge reason for f2p to vecome p2p is cuz frends are p2p. I think ur comment is totally rediculous

[soldin911]

F2P is only their to get you into the game, that way you will buy a membership. If they keep adding updates to F2P then those people wont get bored and join members. It defeats the whole point of F2P

 

 

 

when i first joined i thought the game was kinda borring. i never thought id become a member. I thought $5 a month was a rip off. i became a P2P mabe a year after i became a F2P. if Jagex put a 2 month limit on F2P then RS would be non-exitsant (sp)

[muahahaha]

I was started on the game of Runescape by my member friends. I've played on their accounts (at their house, while they looked on), and read about the latest member's update(s). To address the people who say " You don't pay, you don't get"-you must realize how bratty you sound. Bank space would be nice, a quest or two would be better, but the real issue in free worlds is Macroing. Yes, macroing. Take a stroll across Draynor, and you will find hordes of bald, green pants, tan shirted level threes flocking to the Yew trees. This drives down the value of yew logs, a major source of income for free players who can't runecraft natures at the abyss at ridiculous speed, or fish sharks, etc. Instead of churning out silly quests for members, it would be agood idea to crack down on macroers. This would bolster the free to play economy, and makes things a little more fair.

 

definitely, ive noticed this. Willow has decreased from 30gp to 20gp each. It is super annoying with the yews :)

[xevanx]

Now that andrew made his apparent "RuneScript" to make making quests and other things much more easier, I don't see why we can't have an update. I don't think there should be an update every month like P2P but instead an update every month or two.

[muahahaha]

Despite the mojority of the posts support the idea of giving f2p more frequent updates, consider this question:

 

Is Jagex actually going to give u updates more often?

 

the answer is no.

[unkn0wnwarrior]

F2P is only their to get you into the game, that way you will buy a membership. If they keep adding updates to F2P then those people wont get bored and join members. It defeats the whole point of F2P

 

 

 

when i first joined i thought the game was kinda borring. i never thought id become a member. I thought $5 a month was a rip off. i became a P2P mabe a year after i became a F2P. if Jagex put a 2 month limit on F2P then RS would be non-exitsant (sp)

Close, its non-existent. I agree with your comment on the limit, but I disagree that we should get no updates. We shouldn't get anything big, but maybe a little bankspace, skill capes... Maybe a quest worth 1 QP, just to make it an even 40...

 

 

 

Despite the mojority of the posts support the idea of giving f2p more frequent updates, consider this question:

 

Is Jagex actually going to give u updates more often?

 

the answer is no.

This is not a debate about whether they will, it is about whether we think they should.

[sonowar]

for the people who say that f2p ads earn more money than p2p - how stupid are you? - they earn more money as a BULK - not more money each. while you may be thinking "so?" at the minute think about it - for the CURRENT f2p players jagex has to PERMINETLY keep running 74 (rough count - may be slightly off) servers - whether or not your playing!. that must be a huge cost to jagex - hence why the adverts are there - not to give you free stuff - but to keep giving you what they are already doing. do you expect miniclip to update there games? - or onemorelevel.com? - no. The only reason you get so upset that jagex isnt giving you updates is because other people are getting them.

 

 

 

sorry if that was a rant but i get realy annoyed if people expect free stuff just because they clicked on a hyperlink. :wall:

[jjdevine]

I'm sorry but that so called maths trying to "estimate" how much money f2p makes for jagex was a load of old waffle, considering you can't even spell "economics" i would suggest you keep your nonsensical figures to yourself.

 

 

 

I know this isn't entirely relevant but it does bother me when people come up with this kind of garbage to try and look clever.

[fenrir321]

$5 a month is pretty good, even for a java game. Although I REALLY think that the f2p world desperately need a full makeover in items and f2p areras (more of them). Maybe a f2p month dedicated to only f2p updates, just to keep cobwebs off Falador \ .

 

 

 

OR

 

 

 

Maybe a two-month free-trial with all of the abitlities of f2p and p2p for those two months. That way people who really like rs can buy more time and if they dont like it, let the two months run out.

[Buckeyemange]

Wow! Hot topic! I had no idea this would be so popular!

[Ridcullyw]

Muhahah wrote:

Despite the mojority of the posts support the idea of giving f2p more frequent updates, consider this question:

 

Is Jagex actually going to give u updates more often?

 

the answer is no.

 

 

 

The Issue is wether jagex should or not give free to players more updates.

 

I think that they might, They definitely should. At 2-3 quests a month that members get, in 2 years members will have about almost 300 quests, a few more minigames, massive amounts of items.......the list goes on.

 

 

 

Eventually jagex will have to update.

 

 

 

Runescape Is growing,

 

Shouldn't free to play grow to?

 

The editor should make an eddition of the runescape times about this lol.

 

 

 

Im all for a mini game =D>

[Lord_Firer]

I am sick to death of the P2P ppl that are so gready. More more more, thats all you say. I my self am a P2P person, but I don't need continus updates. And when ppl say "Less for F2P, more for P2P", are you rich snobs that expect everything perfectly given to you? F2P gets almost no updates at all, and how could u possilby keep up with more than 4-5 updates a month.

 

 

 

You people really me make sick.

[ianer101]

F2P, do get updates...kind of. Well they get the holiday events just like members do, and theres graphical updates too.

 

Personally, I think F2P shouldn't get updates. If F2P, got regular updates like P2P does, then there would be less people signing up for membership

 

Well i am a f2p and id rather get some cooler updates than just holiday items and graphical updates and i believe most f2p agrees with me. Id rather not get those (especially the graphical ones) and get some real updates (like some new skills or some new items)

 

obviously you want updates, the question is why should you get them? it's not like you pay, or contribute to the game except for a small amount of money due to the ads that you don't read. members pay for jagex's effort, and that is why we get the updates. all you have to do to get updates is pay a measly $5 ($8 in Canada), you can even do it through the mail if your parents won't let you use their credit cards.

 

in case u havent noticed (if u ever log on a f2p world) THERE IS AN AD AT THE TOP. Jagex earn more mny from than the mny from p2p

 

One million members times $5 US a month=$5 million US a month. If you think Jagex is getting paid more than 60 million US a year to run ads, you really should go back to grade school, if you aren't there right now.