The complete "Should F2P get updates?" Debate! 5,000 views!

[JIMMIE]

In my opinion, F2P is, and always will be, a taster to members and the full benefits of paying to play Runescape.

 

 

 

What more do you need to try out the game, a huge map, hundreds of monsters to fight, a huge proportion of the skills available.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In my opinion, Jagex should start to slowly lower the amount of bank space, to either create more members so more worlds and updates can be had by those who deserve them, and if people are not willing to pay, this will force them to get out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If i had my way, all F2P accounts would be deleted every 3 months.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Jimmie

[yomom1919]

 

Jagex doesnt advertise on miniclip.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Err...yes they do. From your post (and your post alone) it seems to me you don't know what advertisement is. Just by appearing in the miniclip site Runescape is advertising. Runescape in the miniclip site is not "agressively advertising" but the mere fact that it's name is there makes it so that it gets thousands of clicks by people that want to know what it is (Advertising).

 

 

 

As for demos being more fun than the actual game, have you ever read a video gaming magazine... ever?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes i have read a video gaming magazine several in fact. The demos never were better than the actual games (i have demos too). The fact is that most demos capture the very best game has to offer, since Runescape is constantly evolving this makes it dificult. The expectation that the demo arises is also very different because you see the best of the game in the demo.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex still isnt advertising. They didnt try to put their product out there. Jagex didnt get in a roundtable and say "well, i think we should phone up miniclip, and make our product known". Miniclip most likely contacted Jagex. Jagex didnt plan anything, they didnt market or advertise their product. Miniclip did all the advertising, not Jagex. I may have phrased that incorrectly. I meant to say that Jagex does not advertise themselves. Other companies do it for them in a mutual benefit, but i highly doubt it was something set up by a Jagex pr or marketing exec.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The expectation that the demo arises is also very different because you see the best of the game in the demo.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[sometimes] the game doesnt live up to the demo's expectations

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now tell me the difference between our two quotes?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And its not difficult to capture runescape in a demo. You said it is "constantly evolving". That is correct. But arent most of the updates all essentially the same (in style)? All you need to do is create a demo that best represents the current updates, and the future updates. Runescape isnt evolving that fast...

[Bufoman]

okay I dont know how to break the news to you but Free to play is not a Demo it is the game. Membership is a expansion on that game. the idea of deleating all free to play accounts after 3 months is absurd who will provide the base economy that makes so many members rich? besides from that it goes directly against what jagex told us all when we made an account that free to play is the game and we may play it for as long as we like without paying.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

from a marketing perspective makeing free to play a better game is the way to go instead of putting more pressure on us. by makeing it better they attract more people to play longer and decide if membership is worth it. by makeing it better they admit that the life long free to players are a importent part of the game not a burden to it. I dont know where this bias against free to play has been comeing from but its unfounded. members can be just as annoying and uncaring as many free players. the majority of the life long free to players are aculy quite nice players like myself and mukshin.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

have we not established numours times that free to play is the game and it is as importent to the runescape economy as it is to getting new members? we need more bank space or else why keep randome events? pressureing people to get membership will more likely make them stop playing instead of paying. I have noticed alot of members dont like free to players this is probaly becouse you see the kids that have been playing for a few months dont judge us by them judge us by the old players like myself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

by giveing us updates we are encoureged to play longer and bring more to the community. by giveing us updates we are encoureged not to leave. if we wanted membership and could get it we would have it but either by choice or curcumstance we do not. do the adverts not cover the expense of the servers?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

why should we be pressured into paying for membership when we already bring so much to the community and the game? take away free to players even if it was easy to get more members belive me alot of your favorate ways to make easy money will dissapear so will some of your old frends.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Give us updates and we will:

 

 

 

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  Play longer
   
   
   
  Bring more to the economy and game
   
   
   
  have more time in which to consider becomeing members
   
   
   
  

 

 

 

So there you have it why free to play is importent and why we Should get updates.

[JIMMIE]

Bufoman, in my opinion, F2P have far more than enough to decide whether they want to play the game as a member or not. They should restrict what F2P can do, such as level caps at 70, so people have to stump up or not play.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Jimmie

[Nadril]

okay I dont know how to break the news to you but Free to play is not a Demo it is the game. Membership is a expansion on that game. the idea of deleating all free to play accounts after 3 months is absurd who will provide the base economy that makes so many members rich? besides from that it goes directly against what jagex told us all when we made an account that free to play is the game and we may play it for as long as we like without paying.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've never stated anything about deleting accounts. Thats a horrible idea.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

from a marketing perspective makeing free to play a better game is the way to go instead of putting more pressure on us. by makeing it better they attract more people to play longer and decide if membership is worth it. by makeing it better they admit that the life long free to players are a importent part of the game not a burden to it. I dont know where this bias against free to play has been comeing from but its unfounded. members can be just as annoying and uncaring as many free players. the majority of the life long free to players are aculy quite nice players like myself and mukshin.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here's a simple fact: f2p updates would slow down potential progress for members updates. Why? Because in general it's the same kind of people that work with updates. Why bother upgrading the free version when you can give more to your paying customers?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If f2p were to get updates the reasons of becoming a member would close in. With the exception of the updates that f2p has gotten (a quest to teach security, for example) other updates wouldn't be necisary.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

have we not established numours times that free to play is the game and it is as importent to the runescape economy as it is to getting new members? we need more bank space or else why keep randome events? pressureing people to get membership will more likely make them stop playing instead of paying. I have noticed alot of members dont like free to players this is probaly becouse you see the kids that have been playing for a few months dont judge us by them judge us by the old players like myself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's a large ballance for sure. However, in Jagex's eyes, one less customer that is not going to get members isn't worth that much to them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not going to argue about the bank space because, quite frankly, the last time I played the game was nearly 2 years ago and I don't know the state of the game right now. However I never had a problem with it back then.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The point is is that every little thing gives an incenitive to upgrade. From what I've seen as well anyone who has the ability to upgrade probaly will after playing the game for a bit. During that first month or few months (or whatever) you most likely are not going to need more bank space.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- You won't need better quests, as your probaly low level.

 

 

 

- You don't need higher level content.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The content that is in the free to play version right now is more than enough to give an idea of what the game is like so that players can make a choice to upgrade or not. Those that are not paying for the game, quite frankly, are insignificant in Jagex's eyes. If you don't have the potential to upgrade then why should they cater to you? The thing is that this is the case with most f2p players, save for those that have plans on upgrading after trying out the content. You don't cater to those that don't help you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

by giveing us updates we are encoureged to play longer and bring more to the community. by giveing us updates we are encoureged not to leave. if we wanted membership and could get it we would have it but either by choice or curcumstance we do not. do the adverts not cover the expense of the servers?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or they could use that same manpower and cater to the higher level members population, you know, the people that probaly will quit. A free to play player quitting isn't a big deal, it really isn't anything.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And again, let me state that if you do not have plans on getting a membership at sometime in the future or already have one that you are worthless in Jagex's eyes. Aside from a petty advertisement cost it's nothing, and more than less the advertisement simply just covers for that cost and doesn't make them anything in return.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

why should we be pressured into paying for membership when we already bring so much to the community and the game? take away free to players even if it was easy to get more members belive me alot of your favorate ways to make easy money will dissapear so will some of your old frends.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

News flash: Jagex doesn't care about your friends and about the games community. The community would still go on, it would still be the same people just without the free players attatched to it. They want to pressure you into paying for a membership because that is the POINT of a buisness. They don't want to tell you "here here, it's ok we can make f2p more fun for you so you don't have to upgrade". No! They give you reasons on why to upgrade.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Play longer

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh joy, a free loader paying longer. Horay.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bring more to the economy and game

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

People leave all the time, members and f2p. Don't kid yourself into thinking your a large part of the economy. Generaly players will play the game and than either upgrade or get bored and quit. They all did their job for the economy. Sure, if they got rid of f2p period the economy would probaly rattle a bit but this isn't what this thread is about.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

have more time in which to consider becomeing members

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How much time do you need? Honestly, I've known people that have played the f2p game from the games creation, I serroiusly doubt people need "more" time to think.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The fact is is that if that player isn't upgrading within months or, hell, a year even (which the player will have plenty to do in the f2p land) than I doubt that they will ever upgrade save for a few kids that might be able to get their parrents into paying for them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So there you have it why free to play is importent and why we Should get updates.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And, there you have it. Reasons why free to play is nothing more than a tool to collect more members and why it is already ample enough.

[Senseiwoodcut]

They should, more minor, if they get too much they might not want members afterall.

[Bufoman]

well that was abit harsh... is it always how you reply to people who dont agree with you? now its my turn since this is the debate club.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here's a simple fact: f2p updates would slow down potential progress for members updates. Why? Because in general it's the same kind of people that work with updates. Why bother upgrading the free version when you can give more to your paying customers?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If f2p were to get updates the reasons of becoming a member would close in. With the exception of the updates that f2p has gotten (a quest to teach security, for example) other updates wouldn't be necisary.

 

 

 

like many have stated a small teem could be made to bring more free to play content in or slowly bring some member content in game. it would be very slow nothing quick like what members get (maby a update a month). this would not close the gap between F2P and members becouse at the same time there would be an emphesis on makeing members as good as they possably can and perhaps some teem rivelry between the member and free to play teems which would result in competitions. with a much larger and better funded member teem they would put out more and better content than what they do now to counter makeing free to play better. This would benifit members too not just free to play and in the end result in more people keeping membership and more people wanting to get membership.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You don't cater to those that don't help you

but free to play do help there members and make it a better game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

News flash: Jagex doesn't care about your friends and about the games community

if jagex does not care about the comunity then they would not bother to make it a MMO without a community people dont play MMO's.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh joy, a free loader paying longer. Horay.

 

 

 

We are not free loaders we bring much to the game's economy and to the members experionce who else would they go to to get that high from being so much better than us? also As I have stated I belive the adverts cover our expense and perhaps make a small profit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't kid yourself into thinking your a large part of the economy

what are you talking about? free players out number members what ten to one? we are the Base of the Economy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And, there you have it. Reasons why free to play is nothing more than a tool to collect more members and why it is already ample enough

 

 

 

and heer you have it why we are not just a tool.

 

 

 

have you ever considerd that a kind Lord will get more out of his people in the long run than a cruel extorting Lord? happy people produce alot more and are more inclined to do things for you than those who resent your rule and there lives.

[Jake_Corsair]

Nadril isn't harsh, he just doesn't pull any punches when responding and is fairly blunt.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I keep seeing how, the more updates f2p gets, the more players might be willing to go to members (or something along that line of thought). What could Jagex possibly add to f2p, that would make people want to switch to members? As Nadril said, there is plenty to do in f2p. And if after having done all that, someone still doesn't get members, there's probably nothing Jagex could do to change their minds.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As far as community goes, there are other games out there without a free version that have communities just as good (if not better) than RS. It would dfinately affect the community and economy if f2p didn't exist, but I'm fairly certain the game would still go on. As far as Jagex "owes" f2p updates for their basis of the community/economy. They've already paid you by providing an unlimited time, free game. If at some point you become bored with that, you have the option to upgrade. What option do you have if your a member and become bored? What do you upgrade to then? Nothing. That's why most updates have to be geared towards members.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A small team working on f2p updates may not affect the overall balance, but it counteracts the entire purpose of f2p. Which is to make you want more than you are already given. Some players would see 1 update a month as satisfactory, and never consider members.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As I asked in my second paragraph, to those that choose not to become a member, I'm curious why not and what would it take for Jagex to make you jump at the chance to subscribe?

[JIMMIE]

If F2P were removed, yes there would be damage to the economy, but it would recover.

 

 

 

Just look at Pure Ess, members lost our F2P suppliers of this high grade essence, but it is beginning to stabilise again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Jimmie

[Nadril]

well that was abit harsh... is it always how you reply to people who dont agree with you? now its my turn since this is the debate club.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Depends on how absurd I think their idea is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

like many have stated a small teem could be made to bring more free to play content in or slowly bring some member content in game. it would be very slow nothing quick like what members get (maby a update a month). this would not close the gap between F2P and members becouse at the same time there would be an emphesis on makeing members as good as they possably can and perhaps some teem rivelry between the member and free to play teems which would result in competitions. with a much larger and better funded member teem they would put out more and better content than what they do now to counter makeing free to play better. This would benifit members too not just free to play and in the end result in more people keeping membership and more people wanting to get membership.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And that small team could work towards bringing more updates for members, thus, more reason to join.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Plus, read what I said earlier. Most people in f2p that have been there for a while probaly don't have a plan on upgrading. Why cater to them?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but free to play do help there members and make it a better game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again, some people leaving here and there aren't going to make a difference. Members will still go on and there will still be plenty of free to play people to help supply the economy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

if jagex does not care about the comunity then they would not bother to make it a MMO without a community people dont play MMO's.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What I said is that they really aren't aiming to "help the community". Their aim is to make money. They made it an MMO because thats the kind of game they wanted to create and they felt like it could be the most fun and bring the largest base. I'm not saying they completly disreguard your opinion, but f2p players have a significantly less voice than members when it comes to deciding what Jagex wants to do.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We are not free loaders we bring much to the game's economy and to the members experionce who else would they go to to get that high from being so much better than us? also As I have stated I belive the adverts cover our expense and perhaps make a small profit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your playing a game for free with no intention on ever upgrading. That's what I would call a free loader.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, you help the economy, I get that. But with the abnormal ammount of players in the f2p world even a few thousand people quitting wouldn't make a single difference in the game. And yeah, adverts cover your costs. Why should they give you more?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

what are you talking about? free players out number members what ten to one? we are the Base of the Economy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again, I'm talking about this on a small scale. As long as there is a free version and the game is still out there there *will* be plenty of players playing the free version of the game. One person, a thousand people even do not have a significant effect on the economy as a whole.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and heer you have it why we are not just a tool.

 

 

 

have you ever considerd that a kind Lord will get more out of his people in the long run than a cruel extorting Lord? happy people produce alot more and are more inclined to do things for you than those who resent your rule and there lives.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure Jagex is being plenty kind by offering a FREE game for you to play and enjoy. Did you know that a lord that is way to giving and kind can easily be taken advantage of? See, I can swing this around my way too.

[yomom1919]

Nadril isn't harsh, he just doesn't pull any punches when responding and is fairly blunt.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I keep seeing how, the more updates f2p gets, the more players might be willing to go to members (or something along that line of thought). What could Jagex possibly add to f2p, that would make people want to switch to members? As Nadril said, there is plenty to do in f2p. And if after having done all that, someone still doesn't get members, there's probably nothing Jagex could do to change their minds.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As far as community goes, there are other games out there without a free version that have communities just as good (if not better) than RS. It would dfinately affect the community and economy if f2p didn't exist, but I'm fairly certain the game would still go on. As far as Jagex "owes" f2p updates for their basis of the community/economy. They've already paid you by providing an unlimited time, free game. If at some point you become bored with that, you have the option to upgrade. What option do you have if your a member and become bored? What do you upgrade to then? Nothing. That's why most updates have to be geared towards members.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A small team working on f2p updates may not affect the overall balance, but it counteracts the entire purpose of f2p. Which is to make you want more than you are already given. Some players would see 1 update a month as satisfactory, and never consider members.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As I asked in my second paragraph, to those that choose not to become a member, I'm curious why not and what would it take for Jagex to make you jump at the chance to subscribe?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly.

 

 

 

Excellent support argument.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for the Last paragraph, Im preety shure they dont subscribe simply because they are too "cheap". They were looking for a game to play free online, and they found one. Now they have to find another good one once f2p is tired out. Thats why they argue in favor of updates.

[aaron1120]

I am sure that Jagex makes a LARGE amount of money from their advertisers. I think it would be fair if there was just a nice little update every once in a while for F2P.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now that isn't too much to ask...

[Jake_Corsair]

I am sure that Jagex makes a LARGE amount of money from their advertisers. I think it would be fair if there was just a nice little update every once in a while for F2P.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now that isn't too much to ask...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But they do update every once and a while. There have been three updates for f2p in the last 6-7 months.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And while advertising does bring in some money for Jagex. Think about it this way. If Jagex charges $5 a month for members (USD), then viewing ads can't be more than that a month, otherwise they'd be cutting their own profits by offering members less than they'd get for them viewing ads. This is per person basis. As a whole with the number of f2p versus p2p players, advertising brings in a good amount. But at least with members, they know they have the $5 for that month. A player in f2p isn't a guranteed constant source of income, as they may not be able to play much that month or they may use something to block the ads.

[Buckeyemange]

I never thought of it that way. Thank you Jake Corsair for explaining that concept.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Does anyone know an close estimate to the number of F2P-P2P ratio is?

[Jake_Corsair]

Not sure how accurate it is, but according to the Jagex entry on Wikipedia in 2006 they reached 9,000,000 free players and 850,000 paying subscribers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: of course you have to factor in the fact that there are a good number of extra accounts people create. For whatever reasons (ruined a pure, wanted a different/better name, etc.) Obviously there aren't 9 million people playing on free servers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nadril beat me to my edit lol

[Nadril]

Not sure how accurate it is, but according to the Jagex entry on Wikipedia in 2006 they reached 9,000,000 free players and 850,000 paying subscribers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You have to remember though that they go by a per character basis and not a per actual person. When you add together all the botters/secondary accounts it goes to a good bit less.

[lunapasa]

I don't think F2P should get updates, they already have the game for free, they should stop whining about lack of updates.

[Burzuk]

Runescape isnt evolving that fast...

 

 

 

I'm sorry...I was away for a months and since i started playing, p2p has evolved a lot. (i was here before the dragon weapons) :shock:

 

 

 

And don't tell i'm correct, i know i am :P joking :twisted: .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What I said is that they really aren't aiming to "help the community". Their aim is to make money. They made it an MMO because thats the kind of game they wanted to create and they felt like it could be the most fun and bring the largest base.

 

 

 

I don't think this is true (i maybe off so don't be too harsh you meanie :lol: )

 

 

 

When the creator made the game Jagex (as a company) didn't even existed. And i mean the game in it's all evolving stages. The concept of pressuring the f2p'ers is somewhat recent, if you're playing for quite some time you know what i mean, it's kinda of a "company move". And yes now their concept is purely making money but when dragon came out they were just trying to give us reasons to sign for members. That said the more updates is only a reason for attracting f2p'ers...i honestly don't believe p2p'ers get bored that easily? ( feel free to answer that because i honestly don't know, it's not supposed to be a irony)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've been a f2p'er for all my RS playing time, but that doesn't mean i won't upgrade my account to p2p some day.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Im preety shure they dont subscribe simply because they are too "cheap". They were looking for a game to play free online, and they found one. Now they have to find another good one once f2p is tired out. Thats why they argue in favor of updates.

 

 

 

err...sorry? "cheap"? No i am not cheap i just don't have any way to pay for membership (i'm a european, so hurray for little ways to pay membership from europe-non UK). For me the game isn't tired out and i'm not cheap yet i still argue for updates.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And that small team could work towards bringing more updates for members, thus, more reason to join.

 

 

 

If they do work more updates for members it wouldn't be more reasons for f2p'ers to join because with so much stuff in member worlds, it's a lot of information to process.

[lordkrohn1626]

updates for F2P? NO, why? because it takes time, money and resources away from P2P. I got a solution...do away with F2P. Make it only P2P with a 30 day free trial....you wouldnt have all those nubs annoying you, and we would get more updates, and more servers....mmmmmmmmm more servers.

[barnstormers]

NO! If your not paying for it, then NO :notalk: ! P2P pay for updates and more things. They need to pay to get more. More people might start playing for free if they start getting updates. NO :notalk: ! Updates for F2P!!! :evil: :x :evil: :x

[yomom1919]

 

Im preety shure they dont subscribe simply because they are too "cheap". They were looking for a game to play free online, and they found one. Now they have to find another good one once f2p is tired out. Thats why they argue in favor of updates.

 

 

 

err...sorry? "cheap"? No i am not cheap i just don't have any way to pay for membership (i'm a european, so hurray for little ways to pay membership from europe-non UK). For me the game isn't tired out and i'm not cheap yet i still argue for updates.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not necessairly you. Im mostly talking about the 10-13 crowd. They are preety much the "free game" hunters, since they dont have any real source of income besides birthdays and holidays.

[Buckeyemange]

So let's say that there are about 9.25 million free players now, (Sound right?) , which would mean that about 250,000 accounts were created in the past year. Now there are more than likely closer to 900,000 players that are members now. So, let's say that each time an account views an add, Jagex makes a set number. Jake reasoned that Jagex would make more out of members then Non, so...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

M=Member's profits

 

 

 

F=Non member's profits

 

 

 

A=Money per add

 

 

 

So M>F

 

 

 

We know that...

 

 

 

$5(Members accounts)>A(F2P player viewing)

 

 

 

$5(900,000)>A(9,250,000)

 

 

 

$4,500,000>$9,250,000A

 

 

 

9,250,000/4,500,000=2.055555.....

 

 

 

So does that mean that every month, add viewing a month is equal to $2.05 a month? If so...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Member's profits (Month)=4,500,000

 

 

 

Non-Member's profits (Month)=23,125,000

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But that can't be right, can it? I had to do something wrong... :-k

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think it is incorrect, I belive that the formula would be 5M>XY, M being member's accounts, X being Non-Member's accounts, and Y being price per add.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Quick, someone help!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: I'm showing this to my math teacher soon, maybe he can get this to work...

[yomom1919]

So let's say that there are about 9.25 million free players now, (Sound right?) , which would mean that about 250,000 accounts were created in the past year. Now there are more than likely closer to 900,000 players that are members now. So, let's say that each time an account views an add, Jagex makes a set number. Jake reasoned that Jagex would make more out of members then Non, so...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

M=Member's profits

 

 

 

F=Non member's profits

 

 

 

A=Money per add

 

 

 

So M>F

 

 

 

We know that...

 

 

 

$5(Members accounts)>A(F2P player viewing)

 

 

 

$5(900,000)>A(9,250,000)

 

 

 

$4,500,000>$9,250,000A

 

 

 

9,250,000/4,500,000=2.055555.....

 

 

 

So does that mean that every month, add viewing a month is equal to $2.05 a month? If so...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Member's profits (Month)=4,500,000

 

 

 

Non-Member's profits (Month)=23,125,000

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But that can't be right, can it? I had to do something wrong... :-k

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think it is incorrect, I belive that the formula would be 5M>XY, M being member's accounts, X being Non-Member's accounts, and Y being price per add.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Quick, someone help!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: I'm showing this to my math teacher soon, maybe he can get this to work...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe the player actually needs to click the link and get more page hits for jagex to actually be paid. The ads set up are at a base pay, but for added profits they actually need to receive hits. That would put the average f2per at much less than 2$ a month.

[Obsessive_Passion]

To the P2P players who disagree entirely with F2P updates:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You do realise, however, that you will also receive these updates, should any be made to the F2P worlds. As for my opinion, I'm currently sitting on the fence. But I can't be entirely ignorant and claim that I don't care because it does affect me in the end. I don't play regularly enough to have sufficient passion to debate this topic, but here's my view. Vague as it is, updates would be nice, but they aren't necessary. I'm not greedy, so I appreciate the amount of the game which is already accessible to F2P.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, it is true, 'you get what you pay for', but I think the idea of essentially 'scrapping' F2P is somewhat unreasonable. Previous posters have already mentioned the excessive numbers of F2P players, and the convenience of having an extra F2P account, so there's no need for me to re-clarify them.

[Jake_Corsair]

So let's say that there are about 9.25 million free players now, (Sound right?) , which would mean that about 250,000 accounts were created in the past year. Now there are more than likely closer to 900,000 players that are members now. So, let's say that each time an account views an add, Jagex makes a set number. Jake reasoned that Jagex would make more out of members then Non, so...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

M=Member's profits

 

 

 

F=Non member's profits

 

 

 

A=Money per add

 

 

 

So M>F

 

 

 

We know that...

 

 

 

$5(Members accounts)>A(F2P player viewing)

 

 

 

$5(900,000)>A(9,250,000)

 

 

 

$4,500,000>$9,250,000A

 

 

 

9,250,000/4,500,000=2.055555.....

 

 

 

So does that mean that every month, add viewing a month is equal to $2.05 a month? If so...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Member's profits (Month)=4,500,000

 

 

 

Non-Member's profits (Month)=23,125,000

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But that can't be right, can it? I had to do something wrong... :-k

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think it is incorrect, I belive that the formula would be 5M>XY, M being member's accounts, X being Non-Member's accounts, and Y being price per add.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Quick, someone help!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: I'm showing this to my math teacher soon, maybe he can get this to work...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But like Nadril pointed out (and I had to edit to mention in a following post). There are 9 million free accounts, but this only means that 9 million were created, not that they are played (thus not seeing or clicking on links).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A more accurate number would be to look at the worlds list on a busy time (such as the weekend) when the most people are logged in at any given time. Then total up the amount of players in f2p and p2p and then plug those numbers into your equation. Unless Jagex has some way of collecting individual accounts logging in (and shares that data), there is no way to actually know how many f2p accounts are actually used.