Interesting Article About Radical Muslims

[yomom1919]

As an assignment, my teacher asked us to read the following article and write an interpretation and summary of it. The title of the article is, very appropriately titled When Faith Goes too Far I found it very interesting, and I think people confused or misunderstood on the stance of Muslims will also find this interesting. It is a readers digest article:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.rd.com/content/openContent.d ... ageIndex=0

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Its 4 pages by the way, so I'm not really expecting any response.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Note: im not saying all Muslims, even the majority, are like this. This article just cleared alot of the smoke I had about the beliefs and transition of beliefs in and into the radical muslim world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please comment on your interpretations of the article.

[wakka102]

The few bad muslims are the ones that get muslims stereotyped. The muslims religion itself seems less violent the christianity or any of the other popular religions. I know this because my ex girlfriend was muslim.

[Faux]

Muslims are good people and anyone who says otherwise drinks hell juice

[Talal28]

Muslims are good people and anyone who says otherwise drinks hell juice

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

People may think differently about Muslims.. I know this.. Im muslim myself..

[Lionheart_0]

Too much of anything is bad for you. An extreme Christian or extreme atheist could be as bad as as an extreme Muslim. As long as one uses their faith in a good way and to help others, not in a way that threatens people, its totally fine.

[Viktorkrum77]

I love Islam, I read the Koran and Hadith, and even did some indepth research into it. I don't like how people stereotype Muslims, I just find that so offensive, and so degrading.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I mean, the things that happened to Muslims after 9/11 just shows the sad part about some Americans.

[Talal28]

I love Islam, I read the Koran and Hadith, and even did some indepth research into it. I don't like how people stereotype Muslims, I just find that so offensive, and so degrading.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I mean, the things that happened to Muslims after 9/11 just shows the sad part about some Americans.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah I know.

 

 

 

:pray:

[yomom1919]

I'm not critizing them. Im just showing how radical the people behind 9/11 and other terrorist attacks are compared to moderate Muslims. Read my note.

[warri0r45]

It's sad how the overwhelming minority of any group of people can ruin the view of that group for the overwhelming majority. My greatest fear is the influence radicalism has on young minds and the trend may be towards a greater number of radicals, sadly. This is where muslim leaders must stand up and be counted. They must strictly frown upon any violent act carried out in the name of Islam, as violence and Islam is basically a contradiction in terms.

[Faux]

I love Islam, I read the Koran and Hadith, and even did some indepth research into it. I don't like how people stereotype Muslims, I just find that so offensive, and so degrading.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I mean, the things that happened to Muslims after 9/11 just shows the sad part about some Americans.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not just about 'some Americans,' the Twin Towers are landmarks to the only superpower in the world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You've always been a moron, so I don't really expect you to understand

[pault]

I stopped reading at the first sentence. "Before I was an FBI informant."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The FBI is one of the most corrupt and evil institutions in the world, the private police force of the Attorney General, they are responsible in a large part for the corrupt and pointless war on drugs. The war on drugs is just like prohibition of alcohol, there is no way to succeed. Addiction should be treated as a sickness, not a crime. Also, informants suck. Everybody hates a rat, regardless of their affiliation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I started reading the article again, but it's all just [cabbage].

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

At the end of the worship, I walked outside with Sheikh Hassan, who waved his hand at the beautiful green peaks surrounding us. "You'll be compromised if you stay in this kafir [infidel] country," he said. "Just look at all these homosexuals." The shock of these words never left me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah. Real shocking. It's not like Christian leaders run hate filled campaigns against homosexuality.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was still in Manhattan on that clear, sunny day and watched the Twin Towers smolder from the street outside my apartment. Later that evening, I saw television footage from the Muslim world, showing crowds of extremists celebrating the carnage. I couldn't help but wonder, if I had remained a fundamentalist Muslim and grown more radical over time, would I have been among those openly cheering the attacks? I'm not completely sure. But I'm positive I would have at least applauded their goals. Toppling heretical Muslim governments in the Middle East, and ultimately taking the fight into the West -- these were the aims of jihadists in a global struggle. And I had once prayed for their triumph.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is how the article closes. Did I spoil it for you? It doesn't matter. Radical muslims did not knock down the twin towers or hit the pentagon without assistance from the US government. Or maybe the US government couldn't knock down the towers or hit the pentagon without assistance from the radical muslims. The government has certainly proven it's willing to fake terrorists attacks to get public opinion behind a war.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This article is fundamentally flawed. The author asks us to take a rather dim view of his own intelligence in parsing the obvious fact he was working with terrorists, and his quest for religious truth is more pedestrian and unexplained than I would think possible for somebody writing an article, even for readers digest.

[yomom1919]

I stopped reading at the first sentence. "Before I was an FBI informant."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The FBI is one of the most corrupt and evil institutions in the world, the private police force of the Attorney General, they are responsible in a large part for the corrupt and pointless war on drugs. The war on drugs is just like prohibition of alcohol, there is no way to succeed. Addiction should be treated as a sickness, not a crime. Also, informants suck. Everybody hates a rat, regardless of their affiliation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I started reading the article again, but it's all just [cabbage].

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

At the end of the worship, I walked outside with Sheikh Hassan, who waved his hand at the beautiful green peaks surrounding us. "You'll be compromised if you stay in this kafir [infidel] country," he said. "Just look at all these homosexuals." The shock of these words never left me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah. Real shocking. It's not like Christian leaders run hate filled campaigns against homosexuality.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was still in Manhattan on that clear, sunny day and watched the Twin Towers smolder from the street outside my apartment. Later that evening, I saw television footage from the Muslim world, showing crowds of extremists celebrating the carnage. I couldn't help but wonder, if I had remained a fundamentalist Muslim and grown more radical over time, would I have been among those openly cheering the attacks? I'm not completely sure. But I'm positive I would have at least applauded their goals. Toppling heretical Muslim governments in the Middle East, and ultimately taking the fight into the West -- these were the aims of jihadists in a global struggle. And I had once prayed for their triumph.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is how the article closes. Did I spoil it for you? It doesn't matter. Radical muslims did not knock down the twin towers or hit the pentagon without assistance from the US government. Or maybe the US government couldn't knock down the towers or hit the pentagon without assistance from the radical muslims. The government has certainly proven it's willing to fake terrorists attacks to get public opinion behind a war.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This article is fundamentally flawed. The author asks us to take a rather dim view of his own intelligence in parsing the obvious fact he was working with terrorists, and his quest for religious truth is more pedestrian and unexplained than I would think possible for somebody writing an article, even for readers digest.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He was never working with terrorists... Please dont bring your consparicies here, there was enough room in the other thread to discuss them.

[pault]

Uh...Did you read the article?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As I read newspaper accounts, certain things fell into place: the enthusiasm my old co-workers had for the Chechen mujahedin; my old boss's dim view of the American tax system, consistent with the money-laundering charges.

[yomom1919]

Uh...Did you read the article?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As I read newspaper accounts, certain things fell into place: the enthusiasm my old co-workers had for the Chechen mujahedin; my old boss's dim view of the American tax system, consistent with the money-laundering charges.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, did you read the part that said he had no idea about that, only suspicions. He was outreaching to prisoners, the poor, etc. :wink:

 

 

 

But lets not argue facts, they're impossible to argue.

[pault]

Yes, did you read the part that said he had no idea about that, only suspicions. He was outreaching to prisoners, the poor, etc. Wink

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The fact is, he was working for terrorists, and to do so without realizing it makes him an idiot. The idea that he was somehow conned into becoming a radical muslim goes against the evidence he presents. Nobody breaks his Jimmy Hendrix tape except himself. Nobody forces him into fundamentalism.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This guy was either an FBI informant from the start, or he has a special form of intelligence that prevents him from using critical thinking in non-academic situations. Either way, the article is grade A freshly harvested cabbage.

[yomom1919]

 

Yes, did you read the part that said he had no idea about that, only suspicions. He was outreaching to prisoners, the poor, etc. Wink

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The fact is, he was working for terrorists, and to do so without realizing it makes him an idiot. The idea that he was somehow conned into becoming a radical muslim goes against the evidence he presents. Nobody breaks his Jimmy Hendrix tape except himself. Nobody forces him into fundamentalism.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This guy was either an FBI informant from the start, or he has a special form of intelligence that prevents him from using critical thinking in non-academic situations. Either way, the article is grade A freshly harvested cabbage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Arrgh, I give up. Please no one continue this argument. I want this topic, unlike 99% of OT forum topics, to stay on track.

[pault]

I'm sorry If I derailed your thread. The article made me angry for quite a few reasons which I've explained.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I tried to fulfill the stated purpose of the thread:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please comment on your interpretations of the article.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My interpretation is that it is a propaganda piece, and hence that is why you must read it for school. I wasn't trying to burn you or derail your thread.

[warri0r45]

 

I love Islam, I read the Koran and Hadith, and even did some indepth research into it. I don't like how people stereotype Muslims, I just find that so offensive, and so degrading.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I mean, the things that happened to Muslims after 9/11 just shows the sad part about some Americans.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not just about 'some Americans,' the Twin Towers are landmarks to the only superpower in the world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You've always been a moron, so I don't really expect you to understand

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you understand what he was trying to say?

[yomom1919]

I'm sorry If I derailed your thread. The article made me angry for quite a few reasons which I've explained.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I tried to fulfill the stated purpose of the thread:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please comment on your interpretations of the article.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My interpretation is that it is a propaganda piece, and hence that is why you must read it for school. I wasn't trying to burn you or derail your thread.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry for accusing you :oops:.

 

 

 

School does try to bs you, I have to agree with you there.

[pault]

The real issue here is why your school is making you read an article associating radical Islam with the 9/11 attacks. Like Diem in Vietnam or Batista in Cuba, the US can pick and choose who they want to be the good guys. Think about for all the US support of Saudia Arabia, who fund terrorists as much as any Islamic middle eastern nation. The reality is that radical religious war is carried out as much by Israel as by muslims. Just because you use a warplane and a laser guided bomb to kill civilians, doesn't mean your not killing civilians.

[yomom1919]

The real issue here is why your school is making you read an article associating radical Islam with the 9/11 attacks. Like Diem in Vietnam or Batista in Cuba, the US can pick and choose who they want to be the good guys. Think about for all the US support of Saudia Arabia, who fund terrorists as much as any Islamic middle eastern nation. The reality is that radical religious war is carried out as much by Israel as by muslims. Just because you use a warplane and a laser guided bomb to kill civilians, doesn't mean your not killing civilians.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I go to private catholic school, and it was actually for scripture class. The article was called "when faith goes too far". He wanted us to comment on it in a spiritual sense, not even including any terrorist activities. Just the spiritual part of it [faith stepping over the limits, in any religion or group]. It tied in with some of the stuff we were learning about the history of the ancient Isralites.

[pault]

 

 

 

I go to private catholic school, and it was actually for scripture class. The article was called "when faith goes too far". He wanted us to comment on it in a spiritual sense, not even including any terrorist activities. Just the spiritual part of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What did you think about giving up music for your religion, and other sacrifices the author made? Music is a huge part of my soul. I don't know any muslims who don't listen to music, so I guess I don't know any terrorists. What's your school like? Is it a boarding school?

[yomom1919]

What did you think about giving up music for your religion, and other sacrifices the author made? Music is a huge part of my soul. I don't know any muslims who don't listen to music, so I guess I don't know any terrorists. What's your school like? Is it a boarding school?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We were supposed to point out the faults of this. Hence the title "when religion goes too far". Including the opression of women, banning of music, not being able to pet dogs, etc.

[Defender2516]

I disagree with Pault.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

While it all may seem like "cabbage" to him and the guy is a complete idiot..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is what happens to millions of people all for a lack of "knowing".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can you repair my house if I have a electrical problem in it? No? Why? Because you don't know how? So now your classified as a moron/idiot?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Idiots and Morons are those who have the ability to learn something and refuse to do so.. keeping them ignorant.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But just because you don't know, and you say "thats a idiot".. is calling yourself a idiot, because you also, don't know everything.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In christanity, it says "a lack of knowledge destroys my people". Knowledge or knowing is highly important on your life. Alot of people say "If I only knew.. I would have done something different".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is why education is pressed hard on students.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think this was just another guy, hoping to find the truth.. but was lead to believe that this religion "was the truth" only to find out that it was hypocritical.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If he was truely a idiot or moron.. he would have stayed with the Religion and never left.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I applaud him for his courage to change. =D>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Defender~

[mad4u689]

Too much of anything is bad for you. An extreme Christian or extreme atheist could be as bad as as an extreme Muslim. As long as one uses their faith in a good way and to help others, not in a way that threatens people, its totally fine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Haha, Dawkins. :D