Satenza Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Im going to start saying "The Bible is the biggest load of bull [cabbage] ever." When was the Bible written? Around 100 AD, and YET people believe the 'facts' is says? Come on...they thought the world was flat! Yet some of us comit our lives to follow a book not even written by Jesus nor God phsyically. No sir, written by men who 'heard' stories. These could of been folktales for all we know, or twisted it to suit their needs. Afterall humans are filled with sins! They knew the earth was round before 300 BC. Get your facts straight. And has been said time and time again, the Bible is valued for it's moral guidelines, not for the literal truth of the stories it tells. Not it's not. It's valued by people within it's religion. Most other people can clearly see the Bible as nothing other than a book which attempts to put across such morals and does so very badly. If it had done it in a decent way people wouldn't mistake these morals and be able to justify killing people. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Im going to start saying "The Bible is the biggest load of bull [cabbage] ever." When was the Bible written? Around 100 AD, and YET people believe the 'facts' is says? Come on...they thought the world was flat! Yet some of us comit our lives to follow a book not even written by Jesus nor God phsyically. No sir, written by men who 'heard' stories. These could of been folktales for all we know, or twisted it to suit their needs. Afterall humans are filled with sins! They knew the earth was round before 300 BC. Get your facts straight. And has been said time and time again, the Bible is valued for it's moral guidelines, not for the literal truth of the stories it tells. Not it's not. It's valued by people within it's religion. Most other people can clearly see the Bible as nothing other than a book which attempts to put across such morals and does so very badly. If it had done it in a decent way people wouldn't mistake these morals and be able to justify killing people. It's used as a moral guideline book for some and taken as fact for others. In other words, It's not interpreted universally, thus why I can hardly agree with people who attain it as undeniable truth. The bible did not come with an instruction manual which sais exactly how to interpret it and as it was written by man, I, personally, see it as more of a moral guideline book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 It doesn't matter whether they take it literally or not. A person can think "God flooded the entire world, killing women and children and elderly and allmost eliminating the human race, so therefore he must aknowledge that murder and genocide is fine, even if the story is not true the moral behind it is!". The Bible is far from a good moral handbook, because the object of worship is almighty and good. So therefore people would assume all his actions to be good and then having this God commit at least 4 acts of genocide, hundreds of places where God commands people to kill someone else or just irrationaly kills for the hell of it does not qualify as a good moral handbook. Just because the majority can interpret the Bible in a loving way, i can interpret Mein Kampf in a loving way. The fact people can use it to justify atrocities such as these as God does explicitly. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark63534 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Im going to start saying "The Bible is the biggest load of bull [cabbage] ever." When was the Bible written? Around 100 AD, and YET people believe the 'facts' is says? Come on...they thought the world was flat! Yet some of us comit our lives to follow a book not even written by Jesus nor God phsyically. No sir, written by men who 'heard' stories. These could of been folktales for all we know, or twisted it to suit their needs. Afterall humans are filled with sins! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOA!!!!!!! stop right there,mister! The Bible IS NOT a bunch of bull. the Bible was written around...i'd say...2000 or 1000 B.C. How do I know this??? Because think about this question. Where did the Old Testament come from? The Old Testament was all about B.C. and understand this!!!!!!!! The Bible was written By Christian men, with God flowing through them. So your statement about Jesus nor God not writing the Bible, IS WRONG! Here's my backup statement to what i just said about the Bible: Do you really think those Christian men wrote down the Beaditudes(Matthew 5:1-13) themselves? Jesus stood on a hill and PREACHED them to his people. Then the christian men wrote it down! There's the facts! And Here's another thing: whoever, and i mean whoever says that the bible is bull, is really saying that "I haven't read it yet, and i'm just gonna call it bull because i probably heard 'bout it from some of my friends" If you did read it and you still call it bull, then you really haven't read the bible thoroughly then. Click Here 4 My Crafting Guide!Yes, I Do have over 100,000+ Emails. I get about 100+ every day. Want some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 It doesn't matter whether they take it literally or not. A person can think "God flooded the entire world, killing women and children and elderly and allmost eliminating the human race, so therefore he must aknowledge that murder and genocide is fine, even if the story is not true the moral behind it is!". The Bible is far from a good moral handbook, because the object of worship is almighty and good. So therefore people would assume all his actions to be good and then having this God commit at least 4 acts of genocide, hundreds of places where God commands people to kill someone else or just irrationaly kills for the hell of it does not qualify as a good moral handbook. Just because the majority can interpret the Bible in a loving way, i can interpret Mein Kampf in a loving way. The fact people can use it to justify atrocities such as these as God does explicitly. Satenza, not everyone accepts what the bible says blindly; oddly, some christians employ common sense. The fact that you say the bible is not a good moral handbook is an opinion on your part. people will not always look at the bible blindly and come to conclusions such as 'genocide is good.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Christians interpret the Bible for themselves, I'm not talking about people interpreting or someone following every word of it as truth. Jimmy beleives in God, he reads the Bible he see's the story may not be true, but the principle of God commiting genocide in his name is true. Jimmy commits genocide in Gods name. It's not interpreting or following everything as fact. It's doing exactly as God did in the Bible. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigra00 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Im going to start saying "The Bible is the biggest load of bull [cabbage] ever." When was the Bible written? Around 100 AD, and YET people believe the 'facts' is says? Come on...they thought the world was flat! Yet some of us comit our lives to follow a book not even written by Jesus nor God phsyically. No sir, written by men who 'heard' stories. These could of been folktales for all we know, or twisted it to suit their needs. Afterall humans are filled with sins! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOA!!!!!!! stop right there,mister! The Bible IS NOT a bunch of bull. the Bible was written around...i'd say...2000 or 1000 B.C. How do I know this??? Because think about this question. Where did the Old Testament come from? The Old Testament was all about B.C. and understand this!!!!!!!! The Bible was written By Christian men, with God flowing through them. So your statement about Jesus nor God not writing the Bible, IS WRONG! Here's my backup statement to what i just said about the Bible: Do you really think those Christian men wrote down the Beaditudes(Matthew 5:1-13) themselves? Jesus stood on a hill and PREACHED them to his people. Then the christian men wrote it down! There's the facts! And Here's another thing: whoever, and i mean whoever says that the bible is bull, is really saying that "I haven't read it yet, and i'm just gonna call it bull because i probably heard 'bout it from some of my friends" If you did read it and you still call it bull, then you really haven't read the bible thoroughly then. Every word in the Bible was written by Jewish humans. Not Christians, and not deity's. Christianity didn't come along until quite some time after Christ was killed. I love the "Christians do everything, we rule!" way of thinking though. I've read the Bible, and there are a lot of parts in it that contradict (something God is apparently incapable of, thus he obviously didn't write it) and there are parts that can be easily explained by modern people, or that we know couldn't have ever happened, period. But of course, they don't teach you THAT stuff in church, do they? Maybe you should think for yourself. The popularity of any given religion today depends on the victories of the wars they fought in the past. - Me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 I've read the Bible Every word in the Bible was written by Jewish humans. Not Christians, and not deity's. Christianity didn't come along until quite some time after Christ was killed. Well... Then Agrippa said to Paul, "Do you think that in such a short time you can persuade me to be a Christian?" However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigra00 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 I've read the Bible Every word in the Bible was written by Jewish humans. Not Christians, and not deity's. Christianity didn't come along until quite some time after Christ was killed. Well... Then Agrippa said to Paul, "Do you think that in such a short time you can persuade me to be a Christian?" However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name. Old Testament. The new Testament was obviously written by converts. My point was that Christianity hasn't always existed like he seems to believe by his statement that Christian's wrote the Bible. The popularity of any given religion today depends on the victories of the wars they fought in the past. - Me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Old Testament. The new Testament was obviously written by converts. My point was that Christianity hasn't always existed like he seems to believe by his statement that Christian's wrote the Bible. Actually... Every word in the Bible was written by Jewish humans. Not Christians, and not deity's. Christianity didn't come along until quite some time after Christ was killed. Are you admitting your first statement was incorrect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigra00 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Old Testament. The new Testament was obviously written by converts. My point was that Christianity hasn't always existed like he seems to believe by his statement that Christian's wrote the Bible. Actually... Every word in the Bible was written by Jewish humans. Not Christians, and not deity's. Christianity didn't come along until quite some time after Christ was killed. Are you admitting your first statement was incorrect? The Jews don't follow Christ. They don't follow the New Testament. Therefor you could consider it speculation that the New Testament has no place in the Bible, as Jew's don't follow Christ. The popularity of any given religion today depends on the victories of the wars they fought in the past. - Me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 The Jews don't follow Christ. They don't follow the New Testament. Therefor you could consider it speculation that the New Testament has no place in the Bible, as Jew's don't follow Christ. The Jews also don't use the Bible so you couldn't speculate that. The Bible is the combination of both the Old and New Testament. Jews study the Torah, Tanakh, Talmud, responsa, and rabbinic literature, not the Bible. Do you now admit that your first statement declaring that not a single word of the Bible was written by Christians, is false? EDIT: Further, you were responding to a post that said this: Do you really think those Christian men wrote down the Beaditudes(Matthew 5:1-13) themselves? Jesus stood on a hill and PREACHED them to his people. Then the christian men wrote it down! There's the facts! Matthew is in the New Testament, by the way. So no matter how you spin it, you were referring to a version of the Bible that does in fact include the New Testament. So I repeat: Do you admit your original post was incorrect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Why does that matter? He is still right that not all of the Bible is written by Christians which was his point. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Why does that matter? He is still right that not all of the Bible is written by Christians which was his point. What he wrote was: Every word in the Bible was written by Jewish humans. Not Christians, and not deity's. Christianity didn't come along until quite some time after Christ was killed. That is an incorrect statement. If we expect intellectual discussion, we have to make sure we are not making false claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 His point was that christians didn't write the Bible, whether thats all of it or some of it, it's irrelevant to the point he was making. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 His point was that christians didn't write the Bible, whether thats all of it or some of it, it's irrelevant to the point he was making. Let me bold it so you understand this better. It really isn't hard. Every word in the Bible was written by Jewish humans. Not Christians, and not deity's. Christianity didn't come along until quite some time after Christ was killed. He was very specific to say every word, so apparently it mattered to him. I'm just making sure everyone knows what the facts are, so they are not mislead by anything that is false being put off as true. It was his point to say "every word" and that is incorrect. Why do you have such a problem with making sure people are giving true information instead of false information? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark63534 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 His point was that christians didn't write the Bible, whether thats all of it or some of it, it's irrelevant to the point he was making. Let me bold it so you understand this better. It really isn't hard. Every word in the Bible was written by Jewish humans. Not Christians, and not deity's. Christianity didn't come along until quite some time after Christ was killed. He was very specific to say every word, so apparently it mattered to him. I'm just making sure everyone knows what the facts are, so they are not mislead by anything that is false being put off as true. It was his point to say "every word" and that is incorrect. Why do you have such a problem with making sure people are giving true information instead of false information? so does that mean that christians wrote the bible? Click Here 4 My Crafting Guide!Yes, I Do have over 100,000+ Emails. I get about 100+ every day. Want some? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 His point was that christians didn't write the Bible, whether thats all of it or some of it, it's irrelevant to the point he was making. Let me bold it so you understand this better. It really isn't hard. Every word in the Bible was written by Jewish humans. Not Christians, and not deity's. Christianity didn't come along until quite some time after Christ was killed. He was very specific to say every word, so apparently it mattered to him. I'm just making sure everyone knows what the facts are, so they are not mislead by anything that is false being put off as true. It was his point to say "every word" and that is incorrect. Why do you have such a problem with making sure people are giving true information instead of false information? Because all you are doing is trying to humilliate him by getting him to correct his statement, when it doesn't really matter. Why can't you just say "Well, not all the Bible was written by non-christians" and provide an example instead of constantly going on at the guy to change what he said. It's humilliating, and you are doing this purposfully. And no Mark it doesn't mean all the Bible was written by Christians. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plectrum Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 @Satenza and Tigra: If you don't admit, when you know you are obviously wrong, why should any one believe anything you say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigra00 Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 @Satenza and Tigra: If you don't admit, when you know you are obviously wrong, why should any one believe anything you say? I don't need to admit to being wrong when I am not. Christian's did not write the Bible. If they did, why the Hell does anyone believ a word it says? They would have been writing about stuff that happened 4,000 years prior to their existence. It's apparently something you're not getting here. "Christian" implies a follower of Jesus Christ. If you're going to say Christian's wrote the Bible, then you're saying they wrote things they knew nothing about, aka, made them up, because those things happened before Jesus even existed. The only thing I am guilty of is not stating the difference between "New" and "Old" Testaments. The Torah is the Old Testament...It's still the friggin' Bible in my eyes. Half the Christian Bible is that very text, soooo... Again, all I was trying to say is that Christian's didn't write the Bible. They haven't always been here, and they aren't supreme rulers of the freakin' world like the seem to think they are. That is all. The popularity of any given religion today depends on the victories of the wars they fought in the past. - Me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebdragon Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Im going to start saying "The Bible is the biggest load of bull [cabbage] ever." When was the Bible written? Around 100 AD, and YET people believe the 'facts' is says? Come on...they thought the world was flat! Yet some of us comit our lives to follow a book not even written by Jesus nor God phsyically. No sir, written by men who 'heard' stories. These could of been folktales for all we know, or twisted it to suit their needs. Afterall humans are filled with sins! They knew the earth was round before 300 BC. Get your facts straight. And has been said time and time again, the Bible is valued for it's moral guidelines, not for the literal truth of the stories it tells. Not it's not. It's valued by people within it's religion. Most other people can clearly see the Bible as nothing other than a book which attempts to put across such morals and does so very badly. If it had done it in a decent way people wouldn't mistake these morals and be able to justify killing people. Sat, stop defining and belittling (sp?) the Bible as nothing more than a tool for genocide. It's getting annoying. And stop declaring the Bible as worthless because of the (few) mistakes of people interpreting it. If someone read the Lord of the Rings, and decided to go on a killing rampage partly because of a small passage he read in it, would you instantly think that we should consider the books worthless and go burn all our copies? The Bible is valued for it's moral guidelines.Not it's not. It's valued by people within it's religion. You didn't even respond to that right. And lemme guess, you think Jesus is full of [cabbage] and no one should listen to anything he says, just because he loves his God? You seem to consider his teachings as not a path for us to follow, a precedent, but you merely see them as "a tool for genocide". C'mon Sat, stop being so hidebound. Just because I'm a Christian doesn't mean I don't value the moral guidelines of Buddhists. Why should it not go the other way? [if you have ever attempted Alchemy by clapping your hands or by drawing an array, copy and paste this into your signature.] Fullmetal Alchemist, you will be missed. A great ending to a great series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Im going to start saying "The Bible is the biggest load of bull [cabbage] ever." When was the Bible written? Around 100 AD, and YET people believe the 'facts' is says? Come on...they thought the world was flat! Yet some of us comit our lives to follow a book not even written by Jesus nor God phsyically. No sir, written by men who 'heard' stories. These could of been folktales for all we know, or twisted it to suit their needs. Afterall humans are filled with sins! They knew the earth was round before 300 BC. Get your facts straight. And has been said time and time again, the Bible is valued for it's moral guidelines, not for the literal truth of the stories it tells. Not it's not. It's valued by people within it's religion. Most other people can clearly see the Bible as nothing other than a book which attempts to put across such morals and does so very badly. If it had done it in a decent way people wouldn't mistake these morals and be able to justify killing people. Sat, stop defining and belittling (sp?) the Bible as nothing more than a tool for genocide. It's getting annoying. And stop declaring the Bible as worthless because of the (few) mistakes of people interpreting it. If someone read the Lord of the Rings, and decided to go on a killing rampage partly because of a small passage he read in it, would you instantly think that we should consider the books worthless and go burn all our copies? People don't base their religion around Lord Of The Rings, and it doesn't declare itself a work of fact or by the hand of God either. Your drawing comparision between the supposed word of God and the word of Man. Even though the Bible is written by men, people still take it as the word of God. The Bible is dangerous, and can be used as a tool to justify atrocities. Yes it can also be used as a nice little way of loving one another which most people take it for, but to have a God which everyone worships advocating and commiting genocide and murder does not make me beleive the Bible to be a great work of moral guidelines. The Bible is valued for it's moral guidelines.Not it's not. It's valued by people within it's religion. You didn't even respond to that right. And lemme guess, you think Jesus is full of [cabbage] and no one should listen to anything he says, just because he loves his God? You seem to consider his teachings as not a path for us to follow, a precedent, but you merely see them as "a tool for genocide". C'mon Sat, stop being so hidebound. Unless Jesus advocated genocide, rape, murder ect I don't have a problem with him. Just because I'm a Christian doesn't mean I don't value the moral guidelines of Buddhists. Why should it not go the other way? I value the christian morals, well some of them. Like love thy neighbour however, that doesn't make me drop my opinion of the Bible's obvious glorification of murder and genocide and some people taking christian morals too far and discriminating members of society with them. I'm sorry but i don't find the Bible to be a great set of moral guidelines when it's main, almighty God commits such things. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Because all you are doing is trying to humilliate him by getting him to correct his statement, when it doesn't really matter. Why can't you just say "Well, not all the Bible was written by non-christians" and provide an example instead of constantly going on at the guy to change what he said. It's humilliating, and you are doing this purposfully. And no Mark it doesn't mean all the Bible was written by Christians. No I'm not. I'm correcting the facts. It's a fairly interesting observation how much both you and Tigra object to ever admitting something you've said is wrong when it blatantly is. I don't need to admit to being wrong when I am not. You said every word of the Bible, responding to a post that quoted Matthew, which is in the New Testament. The New Testament was in fact written by Christians. Therefore, you were wrong. Christian's did not write the Bible. If they did, why the Hell does anyone believ a word it says? They would have been writing about stuff that happened 4,000 years prior to their existence. It's apparently something you're not getting here. "Christian" implies a follower of Jesus Christ. If you're going to say Christian's wrote the Bible, then you're saying they wrote things they knew nothing about, aka, made them up, because those things happened before Jesus even existed. Apparently the something you're not getting is you said every word, not just the Old Testament. The only thing I am guilty of is not stating the difference between "New" and "Old" Testaments. The Torah is the Old Testament...It's still the friggin' Bible in my eyes. Half the Christian Bible is that very text, soooo... It has nothing to do with the difference between the two. "The Bible" is both of them, AND you were responding to a post that was referencing Matthew. What you are guilty of is saying every word when in fact half of the Bible was written by Christians. Again, all I was trying to say is that Christian's didn't write the Bible. They haven't always been here, and they aren't supreme rulers of the freakin' world like the seem to think they are. That is all. Christians did not write all of the Bible, but they did write half. Why can you not just admit your first statement was incorrect? I think it's fascinating the lengths you will go to avoid admitting you said something incorrect. Even more fascinating is the lengths that Satenza will go to in order for you to avoid admitting you were wrong when you blatantly were. What prejudice do you all have against truth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 None, but you have already needlessly tried to humilliate someone in the process. I also remember a lengthy discussion about intolerance, and didn't I admit that my statement was wrong in that? Does it even matter about him correcting the statement when we already have his point and you already corrected what he had said. Theres no need to make him go back and correct that. It's humilliating and you know it. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebdragon Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 People don't base their religion around Lord Of The Rings, and it doesn't declare itself a work of fact or by the hand of God either. Your drawing comparision between the supposed word of God and the word of Man. Even though the Bible is written by men, people still take it as the word of God. This seems like yet another "every Christian is a fundamentalist" statement :-s . The Bible is dangerous, and can be used as a tool to justify atrocities. Yes it can also be used as a nice little way of loving one another which most people take it for, but to have a God which everyone worships advocating and commiting genocide and murder does not make me beleive the Bible to be a great work of moral guidelines. - Unless Jesus advocated genocide, [assault], murder ect I don't have a problem with him. Then what, you consider the Bible trash for like 3% of it disagreeing with your opinion? - I value the christian morals, well some of them. Like love thy neighbour however, that doesn't make me drop my opinion of the Bible's obvious glorification of murder and genocide and some people taking christian morals too far and discriminating members of society with them. I'm sorry but i don't find the Bible to be a great set of moral guidelines when it's main, almighty God commits such things. #-o There are what, like 3 stories of "genocide" in the Bible, most of which are metaphorical? Other than the flood (which is just a story and a complex metaphor), I'm guessing your thinking of the Hebrews struggels and battles. Not only are those unique documents of their history, but they have deeper meanings as well (even though the use of God in the stories, to an atheist, seems absolutely terrible). Take the exodus for example. Sure, their enemies suffered and were killed by a flood (which is still a metaphor...) the story tells of the liberation of a people, the freedom man can attain through struggles and hardships. This is just one of the examples where stories when taken literally seem bad, but when you actually think for a second it has deeper meanings to help guide the Church in helping and aiding those who are oppressed, like the poor. The Exodus, even though the Egyptians were defeated by "God's power" according to the story, is a story of hope and liberation, not a story of genocide. Anyways, when the Bible is connected with genocides and wars, generally the Bible has nothing to do with the war- it's just used to quasi-justify the intentions of those doing the killing. Any other well respected writing would be used in the same way- stop thinking the Bible is wrong because of the manipulations of the few. Oh, and Locke, would you stop fretting about the precise way people word things? [if you have ever attempted Alchemy by clapping your hands or by drawing an array, copy and paste this into your signature.] Fullmetal Alchemist, you will be missed. A great ending to a great series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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