The bible

[Celt23]

 

 

 

So far evolution has passed every single expirement. I'd also like to see you prove that an invisible being created the infinitely gigantic universe and all the matter within it in a week.

 

 

 

*Gnashing teeth* STOP FRIKKING BEING FUNDAMENTALISTS!!!! IT'S NOT LITERAL!!!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Last I checked Christians take it as the word of God.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can you come up with an alternate creation story then?

 

 

 

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That is the creation story. That doesn't mean that all Christians think that it took God created the world in 168 hours; the creation story, if you really look at it scientifically, is just another way of saying how the Earth was created, a more poetic way. Whether it's the direct Word of God or not, I dunno.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For the love of God everyone, stop thinking that Christians are all fundamentalists, or that to be a Christian you have to be a fundamentalist. It's kind of getting annoying.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Well then how did the world get created if that 7-day story is incorrect? There is absoloutly no evidence for creation. And where is the invisible creator? Why doesn't it just come over and say "I EXIST YOU NOOBS QUIT DEBATING STUPID THINGS!!!"? Creation science is not science. For it to be science you'd first need evidence, and then you'd have to be able to observe and expirement. There is absoloutly no shred of evidence for the creation 'theory', nor can you expirement with it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We've got evidence for evolution, (it's quite obvious), and we can expirement with it. Plus you got viruses adapting against antibiotics, moths in London adapting to camoflauge in a more polluted environment, along with loads more stuff.

[warri0r45]

I agree with Rebdragon here, not all Christians take the bible as the absolute truthful word of god. These people are called conservatives, the opposite, those who take the bible's word as literal fact, are what you call fundamentalists.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now thankfully, there are less Fundamentalists than Conservative types. Conservatives are those who embrace science and accept that evolution is plausible and the world could be billions of years old without blindly rejecting evidence.

[Plectrum]

 

It doesn't give the date God created the universe in Genesis. So taking the literal meaning of Genesis can't be disputed. Unless some how you were able to prove that we all evolved from single cell organisms.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Firstly, literary schollars added up all of the 'begats' and the years people lived right down to adam and eve and calculated the world is around 6000 or so years old; some others came up with 10,000 or so. So if you take the bible literally, the going theory is that the universe is 6000 or so years old. Secondly, there is plenty of evidense and sensibility in the evolutionary theory, I'll provide you some sources through PM if you'd like.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It gives it down to when he created Adam and Eve. Not to when he created the universe. Again the literal meaning of Genesis can be taken literally without being disputed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would very well like some PM's proving that we evolved from single cell organisms.

[Celt23]

^And I'd like some proof that an invisible being decided one day to create, since there's not a single shred of evidence supporting it that isn't Bible-related.

[warri0r45]

 

 

It doesn't give the date God created the universe in Genesis. So taking the literal meaning of Genesis can't be disputed. Unless some how you were able to prove that we all evolved from single cell organisms.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Firstly, literary schollars added up all of the 'begats' and the years people lived right down to adam and eve and calculated the world is around 6000 or so years old; some others came up with 10,000 or so. So if you take the bible literally, the going theory is that the universe is 6000 or so years old. Secondly, there is plenty of evidense and sensibility in the evolutionary theory, I'll provide you some sources through PM if you'd like.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It gives it down to when he created Adam and Eve. Not to when he created the universe. Again the literal meaning of Genesis can be taken literally without being disputed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would very well like some PM's proving that we evolved from single cell organisms.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Creating the universe and creating Adam and Eve were, what, like 5 days apart? Insignificant when compared to 6000 years. I'll privide some sources via PM tomorrow. Just be sure to have an objective, open mind before you pass a hesitant judgement. As for the bold comment, what exactly do you mean by that? I'm not entirely sure of what you are trying to say there.

[Satenza]

I never understood why atheist think they need to free Christians from Christianity. The opposite makes sense because Christians believe they are trying to save someones soul by witnessing to them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The reason atheists feel the need too explain to fundementalists why we beleive they are wrong is because all athesits probably share the same thought that doubt is the orgin of wisdom (and non-fundementalists too). As we doubt, we uncover the truth, we understand why we beleive in certain things. We develop ways such as justified true beleif too classify knowledge. We then apply it to fundementalist beleifs such as the world being created in seven days and that it's only 6000 years old. We realize that it's stupid and inconsistent with our rules that we apply to the universe. We see fundementalists as people who are clueless and wading through life turning other people clueless. We also see this as detremental to society, we class fundementalists as insane and ignorant. They don't look as to why their beleifs are wrong they simply say God did it. We see that is no justification for anything seeing as they are basing their knowledge on nothing except their own beleif. Which isn't justified or true. We see that why we beleive things is more important than what we beleive they see what they beleive conquers why they beleive. It comes down to that really, and until the universe is explained people will always rely on a book to tell them the answers to life. Even when the universe could be explained non-fundementalists will still doubt and say "Well God made that happen" and continue with their beleif. Which may or may not happen, no one can be sure.

[np_tyler]

 

 

 

Well then how did the world get created if that 7-day story is incorrect? There is absoloutly no evidence for creation. And where is the invisible creator? Why doesn't it just come over and say "I EXIST YOU NOOBS QUIT DEBATING STUPID THINGS!!!"? Creation science is not science. For it to be science you'd first need evidence, and then you'd have to be able to observe and expirement. There is absoloutly no shred of evidence for the creation 'theory', nor can you expirement with it.

 

 

 

It's called "faith", which is one of the most vital parts of the Christian religion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: This post only relates to Christianity, which I suppose is alright considering this topic is entitled "The Bible."

[StrOwez]

Fossils do not prove that the earth is more than 6000 years old however they prove that the earth was covered in water i.e. the flood.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For fossils to exist all is needed is a natural disaster followed by presure.

[Tigra00]

Fossils do not prove that the earth is more than 6000 years old however they prove that the earth was covered in water i.e. the flood.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For fossils to exist all is needed is a natural disaster followed by presure.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Man, get off it. The Egyptians were building Pyramids 6,000 years ago. The Earth is NOT 6,000 years old. At all. No chance. Ever. No, just no.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe I read somewhere yesterday that the Earth could be, at the very least, a few million years old. There is absolutely zero chance that it is 6,000 years old. It's just a fact and fundamentalists are only hurting themselves believing it.

[Rebdragon]

 

Fossils do not prove that the earth is more than 6000 years old however they prove that the earth was covered in water i.e. the flood.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For fossils to exist all is needed is a natural disaster followed by presure.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Man, get off it. The Egyptians were building Pyramids 6,000 years ago. The Earth is NOT 6,000 years old. At all. No chance. Ever. No, just no.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe I read somewhere yesterday that the Earth could be, at the very least, a few million years old. There is absolutely zero chance that it is 6,000 years old. It's just a fact and fundamentalists are only hurting themselves believing it.

 

 

 

Fundamentalists are hurting themselves by being fundamentalists.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well then how did the world get created if that 7-day story is incorrect? There is absoloutly no evidence for creation. And where is the invisible creator? Why doesn't it just come over and say "I EXIST YOU NOOBS QUIT DEBATING STUPID THINGS!!!"? Creation science is not science. For it to be science you'd first need evidence, and then you'd have to be able to observe and expirement. There is absoloutly no shred of evidence for the creation 'theory', nor can you expirement with it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We've got evidence for evolution, (it's quite obvious), and we can expirement with it. Plus you got viruses adapting against antibiotics, moths in London adapting to camoflauge in a more polluted environment, along with loads more stuff.

 

 

 

If you're not open minded to the idea, then there's no convincing you. I believe something exists, because evidence I've come across seems to rule out the possibility that there isn't at least something out there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And for the record, God doesn't disprove science, and science doesn't disprove God.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And is it just me, or is atheism often just some rebellious phase teenagers go through? I'm definitely not saying it always is, but I find a large number of teenagers who are atheists, and a lot less adults who are atheists. Meh, may just be personal experience- I havn't seen any statistics.

[Celt23]

 

 

Fossils do not prove that the earth is more than 6000 years old however they prove that the earth was covered in water i.e. the flood.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For fossils to exist all is needed is a natural disaster followed by presure.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Man, get off it. The Egyptians were building Pyramids 6,000 years ago. The Earth is NOT 6,000 years old. At all. No chance. Ever. No, just no.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe I read somewhere yesterday that the Earth could be, at the very least, a few million years old. There is absolutely zero chance that it is 6,000 years old. It's just a fact and fundamentalists are only hurting themselves believing it.

 

 

 

Fundamentalists are hurting themselves by being fundamentalists.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Huh? Let them just be that way.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well then how did the world get created if that 7-day story is incorrect? There is absoloutly no evidence for creation. And where is the invisible creator? Why doesn't it just come over and say "I EXIST YOU NOOBS QUIT DEBATING STUPID THINGS!!!"? Creation science is not science. For it to be science you'd first need evidence, and then you'd have to be able to observe and expirement. There is absoloutly no shred of evidence for the creation 'theory', nor can you expirement with it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We've got evidence for evolution, (it's quite obvious), and we can expirement with it. Plus you got viruses adapting against antibiotics, moths in London adapting to camoflauge in a more polluted environment, along with loads more stuff.

 

 

 

If you're not open minded to the idea, then there's no convincing you. I believe something exists, because evidence I've come across seems to rule out the possibility that there isn't at least something out there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And for the record, God doesn't disprove science, and science doesn't disprove God.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And is it just me, or is atheism often just some rebellious phase teenagers go through? I'm definitely not saying it always is, but I find a large number of teenagers who are atheists, and a lot less adults who are atheists. Meh, may just be personal experience- I havn't seen any statistics.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And what is this evidence? Hopefully it isn't something in the Bible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That second paragraph really depends on the Christian.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Atheists aren't rebellious people/teenagers, they're just people who think rationally and have common sence.

[StrOwez]

 

Fossils do not prove that the earth is more than 6000 years old however they prove that the earth was covered in water i.e. the flood.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For fossils to exist all is needed is a natural disaster followed by presure.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Man, get off it. The Egyptians were building Pyramids 6,000 years ago. The Earth is NOT 6,000 years old. At all. No chance. Ever. No, just no.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe I read somewhere yesterday that the Earth could be, at the very least, a few million years old. There is absolutely zero chance that it is 6,000 years old. It's just a fact and fundamentalists are only hurting themselves believing it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How do you know Egyptians built pyramids 6,000 years ago was you there?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well probably not. So you in fact you believe the textbook or whatever it was that told you the pyramids were built 6,000 years ago.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Personally I think the earth is around 10,000 years old- our dating system has mistakes the historians made mistakes in putting dates on historic events etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you read into it, the ageing process of rocks and fossils is wrong, and scientists do not want to admit they are wrong because there are thousands of textbook authors who would feel a touch cheesed off.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In conclusion you can believe anything you want, you can believe that nothing blew up thousands of billions of years ago.

 

 

 

And I can believe that God made each one of us in his own image and created the earth in seven days because he is GOD he does things outside of time effortlessly - something that the human mind might not ever fully understand.

[Satenza]

 

 

 

Fossils do not prove that the earth is more than 6000 years old however they prove that the earth was covered in water i.e. the flood.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For fossils to exist all is needed is a natural disaster followed by presure.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Man, get off it. The Egyptians were building Pyramids 6,000 years ago. The Earth is NOT 6,000 years old. At all. No chance. Ever. No, just no.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe I read somewhere yesterday that the Earth could be, at the very least, a few million years old. There is absolutely zero chance that it is 6,000 years old. It's just a fact and fundamentalists are only hurting themselves believing it.

 

 

 

Fundamentalists are hurting themselves by being fundamentalists.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Huh? Let them just be that way.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, their wild and stupid beleifs indoctrinate our society as it is. Think about the children who are taught about ilogical and pointless gibberish from a book with can be used and has been used to justify r@pe, genocide and murder. I for one don't ever want to rest and allow these lunaticts to preach dangerous thoughts to minds which beleive what they are told by authoritarian figures. It annoys me people can stand by wand watch as young minds are corrupted by fundementalist attitude. These people grow up, they are thrown into a world where they only know they and they alone are right. Why do we have terrorism? Why do we have killings in the name of religion? I'm sick of people defending it and saying "Well not all of us beleive this to be so - the bible acts as a moral hand book" when infact even the symbolic justify r@pe, murder, human sacrifice, genocide, sexism and much much more. A world without religion allows good people to do good things and bad people to do bad things. A world with religion allows good people to do bad things. I know that the first option seems a lot more attractive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

R@pe is blocked for some stupid reason.

[warri0r45]

 

Proven that the world is 4.5billion?

 

 

 

Where is the missing link?

 

 

 

Then sun shrinks everyday ,right?right. So if the world is 4.5billion yrs old. Wouldn't that mean the earth would be inside of the earth? :-k

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What about the layers in the earth? do not some evolutionist say that they are built up over a period of millions of years? And yet, Mt. saint helens made 5-6 layers in a matter of days?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Earth rock layers don't form at a constant rate. The earth is constantly changing and versatile. Radiometric dating is the key tool used to date the earth and many rocks dated by using it have been found mathematically to be billions of years old. It uses the decay of small amounts of radioactive materials (which is incredibly predictable) into more stable daughter isotopes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's been proven time and time again that the earth is not 6000 years old. In fact, here's a challenge for you. Find me a source which has no religous connotations whatsoever that claims the earth is 6000 years old and the techniques used to come to such a conclusion. Just don't rack your brains on it because I can assure you the overwhelming majority of all sources you find (if not all) will have a religous motivation and only seek to critique valid science because they have no basis for thier own claims.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This challenge stands for anyone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

/\This is directed at you now, str0wez and defender/\. Radiometric dating. Look it up, you can't possibly disregard it unless you disregard matematics and the theory of radioactive decay. You, my friend are being fed false information from creationists that accuses scientists of being unsure or fabricating evidence. Again, radiometric dating, look it up on a source that dosen't include a religous agenda.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

& @ Satenza, I totally agree with the first half of your above post. The fact that parents and authoritarian church leaders can warp kids minds like that truly makes me sick. I don't mind what they believe. But if what they believe is false and every one in the real world tells them that they are obviously mistaken, they develop a thick skin and lose the ability to show empathy or think in a different mindset.

[Adam007]

 

 

 

 

Well then how did the world get created if that 7-day story is incorrect? There is absoloutly no evidence for creation. And where is the invisible creator? Why doesn't it just come over and say "I EXIST YOU NOOBS QUIT DEBATING STUPID THINGS!!!"? Creation science is not science. For it to be science you'd first need evidence, and then you'd have to be able to observe and expirement. There is absoloutly no shred of evidence for the creation 'theory', nor can you expirement with it.

 

 

 

It's called "faith", which is one of the most vital parts of the Christian religion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I never understood how accepting something without the need for evidence could be considered such a virtuous quality. But that's a whole other thread...awhile back now... :P

[Defender2516]

I'm going to stay out of this one because all these topics are the same, never different. Its always going to be Science vs God.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The thing is, both are putting their faith in different things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A Christian puts his faith in God because God knows everything, gives us a bible to follow, and we can live life full of joy as long as we follow the principals defined in it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Science is mans best guess. Seriously, who can honestly say "I know how to tell how old the earth is.." Yeah.. I can't.. I don't think any man can because no one has lived long enough. All you can do in Science is use whats given to you and make your best educated guess ever.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So those who keep claiming "evidence".. well.. most "evidence" or forumlas are created from men who did their best educated guess, and probably got it right.. or probably got it wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah.. I won't put my faith in guys who grew up and knew nothing more than I did when I was a kid.. playing with sticks and rocks. Or.. in these days.. pretending to be a power ranger or pokemon specialist.. >.<

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Defender~

[Rebdragon]

And what is this evidence? Hopefully it isn't something in the Bible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That second paragraph really depends on the Christian.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Atheists aren't rebellious people/teenagers, they're just people who think rationally and have common sence.

 

 

 

I've read a lot of stuff on a certain constant energy flow throughout the universes built of not only the basic energy one thinks of, but thoughts, feelings, and even souls as being energy in the flow. That's what has built up to my hypothesis of God being the energy, matter, and "soul", if you will, of the universe(s). I believe someone else on this forum came to a similiar conclusion, I can't remember who though :-k .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't knock monotheism until you try it. Trust me, I went through a rebellious atheist phase (I'm surrounded by way too much Christianity), and once I started rebuilding my own opinion I came back to a monotheistic belief. Not the Christian belief in God mind you, but a monotheistic belief nontheless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can anyone (besides Celt) support or provide evidence against the hypothesis of teenagers resorting to atheism as purely rebellion? I'd like to hear some other insight on it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That second paragraph really depends on the Christian.

 

 

 

I'm not talking about Christian viewpoints. God, if It exists, does not disprove science- that's just ludicrous. Same goes for thinking science actually can disprove God.

[warri0r45]

I'm going to stay out of this one because all these topics are the same, never different. Its always going to be Science vs God.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The thing is, both are putting their faith in different things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A Christian puts his faith in God because God knows everything, gives us a bible to follow, and we can live life full of joy as long as we follow the principals defined in it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Science is mans best guess. Seriously, who can honestly say "I know how to tell how old the earth is.." Yeah.. I can't.. I don't think any man can because no one has lived long enough. All you can do in Science is use whats given to you and make your best educated guess ever.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So those who keep claiming "evidence".. well.. most "evidence" or forumlas are created from men who did their best educated guess, and probably got it right.. or probably got it wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah.. I won't put my faith in guys who grew up and knew nothing more than I did when I was a kid.. playing with sticks and rocks. Or.. in these days.. pretending to be a power ranger or pokemon specialist.. >.<

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Defender~

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your views and concerns about the validity of science is misplaced. It's not guesswork, theres is absolutely no faith in science. My most recent post before this one applies to you too, read it.

[18godzilla]

My response to previous posts. Apologies if I am taking the thread off-topic:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

18godzilla, all of your arguments are...well...arguable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is one, however, which I do not think you can argue.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please, explain to me how the light from the distant stars is here. How can we see anything in the universe past our own solar system. We simply wouldn't be able to, for light wouldn't have had enough time to travel this far.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

While I admire your commitment to using science to support the bible (much better than just saying "because the bible says so", so thank you), the science is simply not solid enough.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Granted, it obviously goes both ways. But please, I'd like to hear an answer to the star question.

 

 

 

Circles indeed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your point make sense. But even if that one argument is not valid is does not say anything.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

18godzilla: Have a read of this

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and these:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.kent-hovind.com/matson/1proofs2.htm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.mukto-mona.com/science/skybr ... _part1.htm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Those rebutt everything you just posted.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, I made a mistake, carbon dating doesn't prove how old the earth is, it just proves it is at least 50000 years old. After that the amounts are too small for todays technology to read.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I'm sure I could dig up some sites that rebutt that. My point is that its not Science versus Religion. Religion also has science backing it up, and there are many Christian scientists.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

People assume that the science which makes their gameboys and cellphones work is the same science that proves evolution. But evolution is not entirely proved, neither is the age of the earth. Nowhere will you find the law of evolution.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Bible is an amazing book - written by many authors over a long time period. Never does it contradict itself. Even today we are finding that cities and people written about in the Bible really existed. Many have died in the name of Jesus, and if God and Jesus are just a hoax, I would find it hard to believe that the ones who created it would also die for it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If the world was in fact 6000 years old, it would be able to be proven by dinosaur fossils using carbon dating. The carbon in fossils is gone, so that proves the world is more than 50,000 years old.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Once again, I will let this site speak for me:

 

 

 

The man who invented Carbon dating knew that atmospheric carbon would reach equilibrium in 30,000 years. He assumed that the earth was millions of years old, and that it was already at equilibrium. However each time they test it, they find more c14 in the atmosphere, and have realized that we are only 1/3 the way to equilibrium. (1)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- What does this mean? It means that based on c14 formation, the earth has to be less than 1/3 of 30,000 years old. This would make the earth less than 10,000 years old! (1)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Carbon dating is based on the assumption that the amount of C14 in the atmosphere has always been the same. But there is more carbon in the atmosphere now than there was 4 thousand years ago. (1)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Since carbon dating measures the amount of carbon still in a fossil, then the date given is not accurate. Carbon dating makes an animal living 4 thousand years ago (when there was less atmospheric carbon) appear to have lived thousands of years before it actually did.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Living penguins have been carbon dated and the results said that they had died 8,000 years ago! This is just one of many inaccurate dates given by Carbon dating.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And again Shells from living snails were once dated using the Carbon 14 method. The results stated that the snails had died 27,000 years ago. (Science vol. 224 1984 pg. 58-61)

[Tigra00]

 

 

Fossils do not prove that the earth is more than 6000 years old however they prove that the earth was covered in water i.e. the flood.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For fossils to exist all is needed is a natural disaster followed by presure.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Man, get off it. The Egyptians were building Pyramids 6,000 years ago. The Earth is NOT 6,000 years old. At all. No chance. Ever. No, just no.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe I read somewhere yesterday that the Earth could be, at the very least, a few million years old. There is absolutely zero chance that it is 6,000 years old. It's just a fact and fundamentalists are only hurting themselves believing it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How do you know Egyptians built pyramids 6,000 years ago was you there?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well probably not. So you in fact you believe the textbook or whatever it was that told you the pyramids were built 6,000 years ago.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Personally I think the earth is around 10,000 years old- our dating system has mistakes the historians made mistakes in putting dates on historic events etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you read into it, the ageing process of rocks and fossils is wrong, and scientists do not want to admit they are wrong because there are thousands of textbook authors who would feel a touch cheesed off.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In conclusion you can believe anything you want, you can believe that nothing blew up thousands of billions of years ago.

 

 

 

And I can believe that God made each one of us in his own image and created the earth in seven days because he is GOD he does things outside of time effortlessly - something that the human mind might not ever fully understand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm going to recommend a book to you, okay? All you have to do is read it and it will prove what I'm saying.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's called The Bible. :o Amazing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you or do you not agree that when the Bible was being written, Egyptians were taking Jews as slaves? That was around 6,000 years ago, according to precious creationist theories. Now, in order for the Earth to be 6,000 years old, those Egyptians and Jews would have had to just pop into existence and automatically have a society with knowledge of language, math, and especially the knowledge to build some of the most amazing building of all time already in their head. Sorry, didn't happen.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd wager that the Earth isn't 10,000 years old, either. People who think carbon dating is a false science are extremely mislead. It's been used to confirm things like the Shroud of Turin as a hoax aswell...It was made several hundred years after Jesus died. Or do you believe that hunk of junk is real too? :lol:

[Defender2516]

 

I'm going to stay out of this one because all these topics are the same, never different. Its always going to be Science vs God.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The thing is, both are putting their faith in different things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A Christian puts his faith in God because God knows everything, gives us a bible to follow, and we can live life full of joy as long as we follow the principals defined in it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Science is mans best guess. Seriously, who can honestly say "I know how to tell how old the earth is.." Yeah.. I can't.. I don't think any man can because no one has lived long enough. All you can do in Science is use whats given to you and make your best educated guess ever.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So those who keep claiming "evidence".. well.. most "evidence" or forumlas are created from men who did their best educated guess, and probably got it right.. or probably got it wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah.. I won't put my faith in guys who grew up and knew nothing more than I did when I was a kid.. playing with sticks and rocks. Or.. in these days.. pretending to be a power ranger or pokemon specialist.. >.<

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Defender~

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your views and concerns about the validity of science is misplaced. It's not guesswork, theres is absolutely no faith in science. My most recent post before this one applies to you too, read it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Proof plz that its not a educated guess.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Because all science is.. is this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Hey look what I found out! Its a fact!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*10 years later when more technology developers*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Oh man, that guy was wrong.. now this right here is the truth/fact!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Science is never sturdy, its always developing, its not 100% failproof.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Defender~

[Tigra00]

Science is backed by mathematical and scientific evidence. It isn't just "Hey, this is a fact."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you deny that E=mc^2, perhaps? Afterall, some scientist just "said so" according to you.

[Defender2516]

Science is backed by mathematical and scientific evidence. It isn't just "Hey, this is a fact."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you deny that E=mc^2, perhaps? Afterall, some scientist just "said so" according to you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I denie they a man believes he can determine hold old the earth is. What is their to proove him right? Particals in the air? right...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Defender~

[warri0r45]

 

Science is backed by mathematical and scientific evidence. It isn't just "Hey, this is a fact."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you deny that E=mc^2, perhaps? Afterall, some scientist just "said so" according to you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I denie they a man believes he can determine hold old the earth is. What is their to proove him right? Particals in the air? right...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Defender~

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The decay of radioactive material and mathematical equations. Besides that, you didn't even respond properly to my previous post. Why can't you provide me an unbiased, purely scietific source that states that the earth is 6000 or so years old? The answer is you simply can not because everyone who claims this is motivated by thier religion. Not to mention they go against 99% of all scientific thinking. The challenge still stands and the more you avoid it, the more I will doubt your sanity as you, hypocritically, base you claims on guesses at best.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Science and Religion are such different trains of thought and ways to reveal truth that they should not even be compared. If you keep asking for proof of absolutely every facit of life then there would be nothing left to discover would there? You would be on the same level as god and if I'm not mistaken, that's not possible.

[BlueLancer]

 

 

 

How do you know Egyptians built pyramids 6,000 years ago was you there?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well probably not. So you in fact you believe the textbook or whatever it was that told you the pyramids were built 6,000 years ago.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It doesn't seem like you put any effort into it. Let me explain it to you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Every material has a decay rate or a half-life, including those stones with which the Pyramids were built. Radioactive decay occurs in ALL materials sooner or later. Ultimately, after a few thousand (or billion) years, depending on the material, it becomes a "decay product".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When a material is made, the nuclides incorporate into a single material. In the case of stones, this process always takes the exactly same amount of time; It's an undisputed clock that proves how long that material has existed for.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The half-life of an average stone is in the hundreds of millions of years, whether you choose to believe it or not is your own belief. Still, your belief doesn't make that stone 6,000 years old, except in your mind. You could disagree with other biological facts like bananas are yellow and insist they're red, but that's your belief, not a provable truth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some isotopes of lead have a half life of 4.5 billion years which is also accepted as the age of the world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah.. I won't put my faith in guys who grew up and knew nothing more than I did when I was a kid.. playing with sticks and rocks. Or.. in these days.. pretending to be a power ranger or pokemon specialist.. >.<

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, everyone was a kid. But do you really think you're now as smart as scientists who went to Harvard and earned millions by proving scientific theories and facts to be true in the last few decades? Them "being kids" is not a valid argument.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So you would only believe super-humans who knew the Pi's decimal to the 10,000 as 3-year olds?