darkmage099 Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 In response to the "it was written by men argument", people put their trust in the holy books because they believe it is the MESSAGE of God. Trix.--quit WoW as of 12/07Thank you 4be2jue for the wonderful sig and avatar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 Why do they beleive it is the message of God if written by man? With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkmage099 Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 Why do they beleive it is the message of God if written by man? Because they believe that God told the person to write it like that? Or just because that is what they believe. Yes, I know. You think believing in a divine being is stupid. Trix.--quit WoW as of 12/07Thank you 4be2jue for the wonderful sig and avatar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 So really they beleive in the message of man? With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkmage099 Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 So really they beleive in the message of man? The men who got the message from God. Trix.--quit WoW as of 12/07Thank you 4be2jue for the wonderful sig and avatar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 What message, like "Be good" then they fabricate a story around that? With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender2516 Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 Yikes, Defender...What are you, an Evangelic? You actually believe those dorks on TV who claim God talks to them? God speaks to noone. Anyone who claims he does is something called a "False Prophet", you know, the thing the Bible warned you about? What's that? You don't believe there could be False Prophets in your beloved religion? Believe it. So far, every single preacher I've seen on TV that claims God talks to them wants only one thing: Your money. Benny Hinn, Peter Poppoff, The 700 Club, etc. etc. etc. Afterall, how impressed is God going to be by the title "Christian" or "Evengelic" when you're face to face with him? Not one single bit, so if you ally your beliefs with a group, you can probably say hello to Hell. Especially if it's a Christian group, because satatistically, and according to the bible, not many Christians are going to Heaven. (I read somewhere that only 144,000 Jewish virgin men will go to Heaven, and noone else, but I dunno'. Apparently, it says that in the Bible.) God must have told you that. Why don't I do what you do Tiagra in every situation. Proof Plz! ~Defender~ If you love me, send me a PM. 8 - Love me2 - Hate me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 Defender, your arguments like "I wanted a new house, got depressed and God allowed us to get one" and "My sister had a bad car, therefore i prayed she'd get a better one and look she did! And she doesn't need to pay anything for it for 2 weeks!" are intrinsic and therefore mean nothing and are worthless to anyone who doesn't beleive in God or that God wouldn't buy you a new house or a new car. Try giving us some universal examples of how God is real, meaning they can be seen by everyone. Like the design in the world, so we can actually discuss things instead of you telling us how God gave you material possessions. Which actually, doesn't count as an intrinsic argument either as it's not an argument, it's just a pathetic assumption that you prayed and you got. Not even something worthwhile praying for, try world hunger then get back to me once thats wiped out. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigra00 Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 Yikes, Defender...What are you, an Evangelic? You actually believe those dorks on TV who claim God talks to them? God speaks to noone. Anyone who claims he does is something called a "False Prophet", you know, the thing the Bible warned you about? What's that? You don't believe there could be False Prophets in your beloved religion? Believe it. So far, every single preacher I've seen on TV that claims God talks to them wants only one thing: Your money. Benny Hinn, Peter Poppoff, The 700 Club, etc. etc. etc. Afterall, how impressed is God going to be by the title "Christian" or "Evengelic" when you're face to face with him? Not one single bit, so if you ally your beliefs with a group, you can probably say hello to Hell. Especially if it's a Christian group, because satatistically, and according to the bible, not many Christians are going to Heaven. (I read somewhere that only 144,000 Jewish virgin men will go to Heaven, and noone else, but I dunno'. Apparently, it says that in the Bible.) God must have told you that. Why don't I do what you do Tiagra in every situation. Proof Plz! ~Defender~ Told me what, that he'll be unimpressed by your religious label? It's common sense. Jews are God's chosen people anyways, so apparently everyone else is screwed. Can you imagine sitting outside of Heaven and having God go "Okay, Christians - You're in! Everyone else...Sorry, try better next tim--Oh wait, there is no next time! HA! I kill myself." No way. God is about you and him, not you and a cult. All religious groups are cults and nothing more. By definition, according to the dictionary, they're all cults. God isn't going to let you into Heaven because you're a Christian, JW, Baptist, whatever. It just won't work that way. You're the one who claimed God spoke to you, by the way. Why can't he speak to me aswell? Oh, right...Because he didn't speak to you either... Edit: Oh, and your "proof" (aka life experiences) for God isn't very good. Little known fact to people here, but I do believe there could be a God. I believe that if there is and he created all this, that he did a good job covering his tracks, but I digress, the point is I believe there could be. Anyways...I've been without a car for several months now and I occasionally say "Hey, God...You know...You could help me out by throwin' me a bone here and making the insurance company pay up so I could get a new car...I'd appreciate it..." Know what happens? Nothing. Not a damn thing! Infact, the insurance company has refused to pay me and sent the claim to Mediation for MY insurance to pay for (for their client, not me) even though the accident was the other guys fault. In other words, I got the opposite of what I asked for! Moral of the story? Your experiences are coincidences and good luck. And I got bad luck and got screwed. And guess what? Your time to get screwed WILL come, and our turn to get lucky will aswell! I could win the lottery tomorrow and set up a shrine to Satan (just an example, I'm not a [developmentally delayed]ed Satan worshipper) and you could be homeless while still praying to God. It's just a roll of the dice. The popularity of any given religion today depends on the victories of the wars they fought in the past. - Me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 Moral of the story? Your experiences are coincidences and good luck. That's basically spot on as you can't pray for god to give you material possessions. I've spoken to some Christians and they say it dosent work that way and if you think about it logically, god wouldn't want to give you a fun ride through to the other side as this is not heavan. Life is meant to be cruel and [bleep] you over whether that was god's intention or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkmage099 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 This thread so ridiculous. Seriously. We have these select few members who like to flame and bash other ideas (even just little comments). It is like you guys are not trying to learn, but argue purely for these flames. For example, Satenza. fabricate a story around that? Yeah, our belief is some fabricated story based on "be good". That's it. Because we cannot prove our "belief" (which we never claim to do...or I dont), it must be just fabricated. And Satenza, the message is more than just "be good". Trix.--quit WoW as of 12/07Thank you 4be2jue for the wonderful sig and avatar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender2516 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 This thread so ridiculous. Seriously. We have these select few members who like to flame and bash other ideas (even just little comments). It is like you guys are not trying to learn, but argue purely for these flames. For example, Satenza. fabricate a story around that? Yeah, our belief is some fabricated story based on "be good". That's it. Because we cannot prove our "belief" (which we never claim to do...or I dont), it must be just fabricated. And Satenza, the message is more than just "be good". QFT And Satenza, i'm not TRYING to convince or prove God to you! Your the one asking us the questions.. then we answer and you guys do a catch 22. ~Defender~ If you love me, send me a PM. 8 - Love me2 - Hate me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakeitormakeit Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Alot of the bible seems very questionable because it was created so long ago and many stories from it were created to teach the less inteligent people a lesson (so they could understand easily), it didn't mean that they all actually occured. With every myth there is a speckle of truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender2516 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Alot of the bible seems very questionable because it was created so long ago and many stories from it were created to teach the less inteligent people a lesson (so they could understand easily), it didn't mean that they all actually occured. With every myth there is a speckle of truth. And your intelligent? :XD: ~Defender~ If you love me, send me a PM. 8 - Love me2 - Hate me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakeitormakeit Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 your insult = uncalled for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender2516 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 your insult = uncalled for People back then did not have the information we have today, but are FAR from not being intelligent. Ex: Pryamid anyone? Your insult saying the bible is for dumb people only = uncalled for. ~Defender~ If you love me, send me a PM. 8 - Love me2 - Hate me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakeitormakeit Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 I didnt say that, thats putting words in my mouth. I said for the less intelligent people that doesn't mean everyone was a complete idiot. I was just saying if its simple enough for not educated people to understand then the scholars such have been able to understand! Edit: And if I think the bible is for only dumb people then I'm very stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender2516 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 I didnt say that, thats putting words in my mouth. I said for the less intelligent people that doesn't mean everyone was a complete idiot. I was just saying if its simple enough for not educated people to understand then the scholars such have been able to understand! Edit: And if I think the bible is for only dumb people then I'm very stupid. The bible is very hard to understand due to its metaphors. If it was really that simple, everyone would know excatly God was talking about on every scripture. Yet there is many different intepretations (sp?). Seriously, The bible is made for everyone, but not just for "the dumb". Its not a book on knowledge, its a book on life. ~Defender~ If you love me, send me a PM. 8 - Love me2 - Hate me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakeitormakeit Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 I think you aren't understanding what I mean. Anyway I totally agree with the stuff you said(except the insult to me lol) sorry if I didn't put it in very understandable terms, sometimes people don't understand what I mean because I'm not clear/descriptive enough. Anyway I say it again I agree with you, just a misunderstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender2516 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 I think you aren't understanding what I mean. Anyway I totally agree with the stuff you said(except the insult to me lol) sorry if I didn't put it in very understandable terms, sometimes people don't understand what I mean because I'm not clear/descriptive enough. Anyway I say it again I agree with you, just a misunderstanding. Strange :? I never get such positive responses back? :uhh: OMG, the world is comming to a end!! :ohnoes: :ohnoes: :ohnoes: ~Defender~ If you love me, send me a PM. 8 - Love me2 - Hate me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebdragon Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 I didnt say that, thats putting words in my mouth. I said for the less intelligent people that doesn't mean everyone was a complete idiot. I was just saying if its simple enough for not educated people to understand then the scholars such have been able to understand! Edit: And if I think the bible is for only dumb people then I'm very stupid. The bible is very hard to understand due to its metaphors. If it was really that simple, everyone would know excatly God was talking about on every scripture. Yet there is many different intepretations (sp?). Seriously, The bible is made for everyone, but not just for "the dumb". Its not a book on knowledge, its a book on life. ~Defender~ Wow, can't believe I'm saying this, but... *gulp*, I agree with Defender (*bleh*, bad taste in my mouth). The Bible is extremely complex, saying it's "only for the dumb" is simply ignorance. [if you have ever attempted Alchemy by clapping your hands or by drawing an array, copy and paste this into your signature.] Fullmetal Alchemist, you will be missed. A great ending to a great series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender2516 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 I didnt say that, thats putting words in my mouth. I said for the less intelligent people that doesn't mean everyone was a complete idiot. I was just saying if its simple enough for not educated people to understand then the scholars such have been able to understand! Edit: And if I think the bible is for only dumb people then I'm very stupid. The bible is very hard to understand due to its metaphors. If it was really that simple, everyone would know excatly God was talking about on every scripture. Yet there is many different intepretations (sp?). Seriously, The bible is made for everyone, but not just for "the dumb". Its not a book on knowledge, its a book on life. ~Defender~ Wow, can't believe I'm saying this, but... *gulp*, I agree with Defender (*bleh*, bad taste in my mouth). The Bible is extremely complex, saying it's "only for the dumb" is simply ignorance. OMG! IT IS THE END OF THE WORLD!!! *Shudders in fear* :uhh: :ohnoes: :uhh: ~Defender~ If you love me, send me a PM. 8 - Love me2 - Hate me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 I didnt say that, thats putting words in my mouth. I said for the less intelligent people that doesn't mean everyone was a complete idiot. I was just saying if its simple enough for not educated people to understand then the scholars such have been able to understand! Edit: And if I think the bible is for only dumb people then I'm very stupid. The bible is very hard to understand due to its metaphors. If it was really that simple, everyone would know excatly God was talking about on every scripture. Yet there is many different intepretations (sp?). Seriously, The bible is made for everyone, but not just for "the dumb". Its not a book on knowledge, its a book on life. ~Defender~ Wow, can't believe I'm saying this, but... *gulp*, I agree with Defender (*bleh*, bad taste in my mouth). The Bible is extremely complex, saying it's "only for the dumb" is simply ignorance. I agree with defender as well. It's a book of life and morals etc, not knowlege. Don't have a heart attck now defender. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 I didnt say that, thats putting words in my mouth. I said for the less intelligent people that doesn't mean everyone was a complete idiot. I was just saying if its simple enough for not educated people to understand then the scholars such have been able to understand! Edit: And if I think the bible is for only dumb people then I'm very stupid. The bible is very hard to understand due to its metaphors. If it was really that simple, everyone would know excatly God was talking about on every scripture. Yet there is many different intepretations (sp?). Seriously, The bible is made for everyone, but not just for "the dumb". Its not a book on knowledge, its a book on life. ~Defender~ Wow, can't believe I'm saying this, but... *gulp*, I agree with Defender (*bleh*, bad taste in my mouth). The Bible is extremely complex, saying it's "only for the dumb" is simply ignorance. I agree with defender as well. It's a book of life and morals etc, not knowlege. Don't have a heart attck now defender. :P The concepts in the Bible though are for the "dumb" as well. Such as forgiveness of sin and such. If it weren't than only the smart would be able to get into Heaven and that's not God's plan. :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender2516 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 I didnt say that, thats putting words in my mouth. I said for the less intelligent people that doesn't mean everyone was a complete idiot. I was just saying if its simple enough for not educated people to understand then the scholars such have been able to understand! Edit: And if I think the bible is for only dumb people then I'm very stupid. The bible is very hard to understand due to its metaphors. If it was really that simple, everyone would know excatly God was talking about on every scripture. Yet there is many different intepretations (sp?). Seriously, The bible is made for everyone, but not just for "the dumb". Its not a book on knowledge, its a book on life. ~Defender~ Wow, can't believe I'm saying this, but... *gulp*, I agree with Defender (*bleh*, bad taste in my mouth). The Bible is extremely complex, saying it's "only for the dumb" is simply ignorance. I agree with defender as well. It's a book of life and morals etc, not knowlege. Don't have a heart attck now defender. :P The concepts in the Bible though are for the "dumb" as well. Such as forgiveness of sin and such. If it weren't than only the smart would be able to get into Heaven and that's not God's plan. :wink: :uhh: I am going to go in my basement.. (after I build one).. and hide for a very long time.. :uhh: ~Defender~ If you love me, send me a PM. 8 - Love me2 - Hate me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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