The bible

[Rebdragon]

I'm telling you, Just let Christianity die down.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One of you said, it has been going strong for 2000 years plus. Well, Like I said, it takes time. Yes, I do understand it is the world's leading religion but at the height of the Roman empire the main religion was..an adpatation of greek gods and goddess. In the Babylonian Empire it was the worship of many gods with one chief god, Marduk. Now these religions practically do not exist! Because eventually the truth will come out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And you cannot say" prove the world is 6000 years old with no religious context" because..there is no such thing. No matter what there will always be a belief..even atheist..which is an oxymoron( you say I believe nothing..well that is your belief) So no matter you will always get a religious bias. Even if you believe that science is the best thing to depend on..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Think about it. Religion is inevitable. There is NO SUCH THING as no religion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No matter what to those of us who are Christian, keep up the faith and press onwards. THE TRUTH WILL BE REVEALED.

 

 

 

No, it's more like the Truth will be debated for millenia, then the aliens will come and kill us all before we could find something we'd never be able to attain anyways.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But yes, religion is a psychological necessity in the human race. There's no saying how long Christianity will last.

[TheLastTemplar]

the truth will come out. Millenia or scores, If what they Christian religion teaches is false, then the truth WILL come out and It will slowly descend, and eventually desintagrate(sp). I'm telling you, Let history take it's course..because it always repeats it's self.

[Rebdragon]

the truth will come out. Millenia or scores, If what they Christian religion teaches is false, then the truth WILL come out and It will slowly descend, and eventually desintagrate(sp). I'm telling you, Let history take it's course..because it always repeats it's self.

 

 

 

I think we* pointlessly spent 5 pages debating this somewhere else... but basically we can seek Truth, we can discover Truth, but we can never know that we've attained it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you're saying knew ideas will come up that could overthrow Christian ideology, that's easily possible in the future. Doesn't mean that's Truth though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Ugh, the English language needs a "we-but-not-you" word.

[Guest]

 

 

 

 

 

Im going to start saying "The Bible is the biggest load of bull [cabbage] ever."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When was the Bible written? Around 100 AD, and YET people believe the 'facts' is says? Come on...they thought the world was flat! Yet some of us comit our lives to follow a book not even written by Jesus nor God phsyically. No sir, written by men who 'heard' stories. These could of been folktales for all we know, or twisted it to suit their needs. Afterall humans are filled with sins!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

At least get what you're writing correct first, before you flame.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even though he may not have the year historically correct, he makes a good point, unless, of course, you don't take the bibal as literal fact.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Exacto. I don't take it as literal fact.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So then your belief is that Jesus never came to Earth, and there is no way to repent and therefore no way to heavan? Is that a correct judgment of your comment, considering you don't take it as literal fact (I'm assuming your a christian - correct me if I'm wrong - and I'm sorry if I am ;))

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, it's a historical fact Jesus the person has existed. That's not a belief, there is too much evidence to show he actually existed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You can still believe that and take the less serious magical parts of the Bible with a grain of salt as a piece of literature.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Christianity is based on faith not evidence. :wink:

[Notorious_Ice]

Jesus WAS a real person.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In the roman empire, there was a great writer called Pliny the Younger. He wrote letters to the emperor of rome at the time, Trajan, describing how he planned to deal with these Christians who believe in Jesus, who was alive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Trajan responded praising Pliny for his ideas.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So right there, the outside source has told us Jesus did exist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You obviously didn't read my post properly. I believe I mentioned that there in fact was a man called jesus, and he did in fact tell people he was the son of god. Whats your point?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Im assuming that your theory is that if it was proven he said he was the son of god, then of course he must have been then, why would somebody named jesus lie about something like that? If I were to tell you that I am the son of god, telling people 'his word' and 'freeing people from their sins' and I truely believed that, I would get probably get diagnosed with a mental disorder. Of course thats nothing like what jesus did. Oh wait.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Remember, the writers of the bible were in ancient times. The Israelite who wrote the story wrote it based on the Israelites working schedule (6 days, 1 rest day). However, that doesnt mean that the days had a specific set amount of time. Maybe the creation of all the creatures was over 60 million years in the making, and evolution took place during that time. Maybe the creation of the sun and moon was a lot shorter, perhaps a week in our time.[/quote

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The argument that they had long has been cut down many times in this thread already. Don't bother.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Remember though, God was not limited by time and space. He was in eternity. There is no time and space. So, all this evolution and stuff could have appeared to be millions of years in the making, but in eternity its the smallest possible lapse of time existant.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Typical christian answer. Can't explain something so you resort to the overused "god is all powerful and can do anything" argument.

[warri0r45]

 

 

 

And you cannot say" prove the world is 6000 years old with no religious context" because..there is no such thing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some fundamentalists (who are obviously fundamentalists by the way thier site is set up) will try to convey the 'fact' that the earth is 6000 years old by using evidence, but of course they fail dismally because in the scientific realm, which is completely void of belief, we know that this is untrue and have mountains of evidence to suggest so.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

At least you are honest. Perhaps others concede this in thier mind as well and don't (or can't) prove thier belief with science which is possibly why I haven't had many participants in my topic. Prove me wrong if you like guys, that's what it's there for.

[Tigra00]

Even if Christianity is false, it will never come out as so. The religion will never fade. It's all based around faith. Look at how much evidence there is that the world was NOT all snapped into existence. Does that stop them? No. They keep having faith and either deny the facts or make new facts around those facts. Fundamentalists have entire existence theories based AROUND what we know to be true to make it "true" to them and make ours false.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Other religions were easy to disprove. There are no God's atop Mount Olympus...There is no God carrying the sun across the sky. Etc etc etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What I find funny, though, is how Fundamentalists believe the Earth is 6,000 years old, give or take, because of the Bible's time-line, yet they fail to realize that before their religion, there were others. Paganism, Druidism, etc. They're not the first people to pull a religion out of their butt and fly with it. And as you can see today, they're not the last, either.

[issy2]

Nevermind, question answered :thumbsup:

[Guest]

I didn't want to start a new topic so I hope its ok with everyone if I post this here.

 

 

 

I'm not sure about this, but is sex considered a sin in the Bible?

 

 

 

Because if it is.

 

 

 

'Go forth and multiply!' Which, if sex is a sin... is impossible. :-k

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pretty stupid question. Do you think a God would create beings (humans) and the ability for them to multiply and then tell them that he doesn't want them to do it and that its a sin.

[issy2]

 

I didn't want to start a new topic so I hope its ok with everyone if I post this here.

 

 

 

I'm not sure about this, but is sex considered a sin in the Bible?

 

 

 

Because if it is.

 

 

 

'Go forth and multiply!' Which, if sex is a sin... is impossible. :-k

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pretty stupid question. Do you think a God would create beings (humans) and the ability for them to multiply and then tell them that he doesn't want them to do it and that its a sin.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok, ok, no need to be sarcastic, it's just that someone on another board mentioned that sex was a terrible sin and I was like really? Anyway thankyou for answering my question.

[Guest]

 

 

I didn't want to start a new topic so I hope its ok with everyone if I post this here.

 

 

 

I'm not sure about this, but is sex considered a sin in the Bible?

 

 

 

Because if it is.

 

 

 

'Go forth and multiply!' Which, if sex is a sin... is impossible. :-k

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pretty stupid question. Do you think a God would create beings (humans) and the ability for them to multiply and then tell them that he doesn't want them to do it and that its a sin.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok, ok, no need to be sarcastic, it's just that someone on another board mentioned that sex was a terrible sin and I was like really? Anyway thankyou for answering my question.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh ok. Sorry I didn't mean for it to come out harsh, though I know it did in Hindsight. No problemo. :wink:

[warri0r45]

Even if Christianity is false, it will never come out as so. The religion will never fade. It's all based around faith. Look at how much evidence there is that the world was NOT all snapped into existence. Does that stop them? No. They keep having faith and either deny the facts or make new facts around those facts. Fundamentalists have entire existence theories based AROUND what we know to be true to make it "true" to them and make ours false.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Other religions were easy to disprove. There are no God's atop Mount Olympus...There is no God carrying the sun across the sky. Etc etc etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What I find funny, though, is how Fundamentalists believe the Earth is 6,000 years old, give or take, because of the Bible's time-line, yet they fail to realize that before their religion, there were others. Paganism, Druidism, etc. They're not the first people to pull a religion out of their butt and fly with it. And as you can see today, they're not the last, either.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The only thing I really appose to is how religions try to formulate 'evidence' and use 'science' to support thier conclusion. I'm not surprised though, seeing as they try to get as many followers as possible, they these days try to appeal to people who aren't stupid (no offense intended to anyone) and who have actual scientific evidence on thier side. You're right in saying religions come and go too, Tigra. To be honest I wouldn't be too suprised if Christianity eventualy did die out as we learn more and more about the world we live in. The morals may live on but take a different form, who knows. Islam is another story and my money would be on Islam being the most long lived of the two as middle eastern countries have little to no separation of church (or mosque, if you like :lol: :P ) and state.

[Guest]

 

Even if Christianity is false, it will never come out as so. The religion will never fade. It's all based around faith. Look at how much evidence there is that the world was NOT all snapped into existence. Does that stop them? No. They keep having faith and either deny the facts or make new facts around those facts. Fundamentalists have entire existence theories based AROUND what we know to be true to make it "true" to them and make ours false.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Other religions were easy to disprove. There are no God's atop Mount Olympus...There is no God carrying the sun across the sky. Etc etc etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What I find funny, though, is how Fundamentalists believe the Earth is 6,000 years old, give or take, because of the Bible's time-line, yet they fail to realize that before their religion, there were others. Paganism, Druidism, etc. They're not the first people to pull a religion out of their butt and fly with it. And as you can see today, they're not the last, either.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The only thing I really appose to is how religions try to formulate 'evidence' and use 'science' to support thier conclusion. I'm not surprised though, seeing as they try to get as many followers as possible, they these days try to appeal to people who aren't stupid (no offense intended to anyone) and who have actual scientific evidence on thier side. You're right in saying religions come and go too, Tigra. To be honest I wouldn't be too suprised if Christianity eventualy did die out as we learn more and more about the world we live in. The morals may live on but take a different form, who knows. Islam is another story and my money would be on Islam being the most long lived of the two as middle eastern countries have little to no separation of church (or mosque, if you like :lol: :P ) and state.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have you ever thought, that religion is more than just a belief. Why would the average person want to belief in a plain-old religion? Have you ever thought that we see our belief working in the world we live in. That yes we've experienced miracles ourselves, through our faith and such. Its not something I'd expect an atheist like you two, to actually understand, (especially considering you both have no faith). Its not something you can judge especially since you haven't experienced it. Yes, it's a different and changed life I have through my faith.

[warri0r45]

 

 

Even if Christianity is false, it will never come out as so. The religion will never fade. It's all based around faith. Look at how much evidence there is that the world was NOT all snapped into existence. Does that stop them? No. They keep having faith and either deny the facts or make new facts around those facts. Fundamentalists have entire existence theories based AROUND what we know to be true to make it "true" to them and make ours false.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Other religions were easy to disprove. There are no God's atop Mount Olympus...There is no God carrying the sun across the sky. Etc etc etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What I find funny, though, is how Fundamentalists believe the Earth is 6,000 years old, give or take, because of the Bible's time-line, yet they fail to realize that before their religion, there were others. Paganism, Druidism, etc. They're not the first people to pull a religion out of their butt and fly with it. And as you can see today, they're not the last, either.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The only thing I really appose to is how religions try to formulate 'evidence' and use 'science' to support thier conclusion. I'm not surprised though, seeing as they try to get as many followers as possible, they these days try to appeal to people who aren't stupid (no offense intended to anyone) and who have actual scientific evidence on thier side. You're right in saying religions come and go too, Tigra. To be honest I wouldn't be too suprised if Christianity eventualy did die out as we learn more and more about the world we live in. The morals may live on but take a different form, who knows. Islam is another story and my money would be on Islam being the most long lived of the two as middle eastern countries have little to no separation of church (or mosque, if you like :lol: :P ) and state.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have you ever thought, that religion is more than just a belief. Why would the average person want to belief in a plain-old religion? Have you ever thought that we see our belief working in the world we live in. That yes we've experienced miracles ourselves, through our faith and such. Its not something I'd expect an atheist like you two, to actually understand, (especially considering you both have no faith). Its not something you can judge especially since you haven't experienced it. Yes, it's a different and changed life I have through my faith.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Firstly, I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic and secondly, yes I understand fully why people have faith in religion and have nothing against that. I often wonder what caused the big bang but don't feel the need to worship a god because of it. I have a questioning nature, just like the next guy and just happen to fill that need with science and not religion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just out of interest, could you explain how you see that religion or god presents itself in the real world without miracles, because I have yet to experience one of those. And I'd rather a different answer to 'if you never have faith, you'll never get it' because I am very open minded and will never refuse to believe anything for no reason.

[Guest]

I get it through pray. I'm not sure how you would expect to get a miracle "out of the blue."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh and could you explain "Just out of interest, could you explain how you see that religion or god presents itself in the real world without miracles" a bit better I don't really understand what you're asking.

[warri0r45]

I get it through pray. I'm not sure how you would expect to get a miracle "out of the blue."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh and could you explain "Just out of interest, could you explain how you see that religion or god presents itself in the real world without miracles" a bit better I don't really understand what you're asking.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What I mean is how does your belief work in the word we live in. And I don't expect to get miracles out of the blue, quite the contrary.

[Rebdragon]

Even if Christianity is false, it will never come out as so. The religion will never fade. It's all based around faith. Look at how much evidence there is that the world was NOT all snapped into existence. Does that stop them? No. They keep having faith and either deny the facts or make new facts around those facts. Fundamentalists have entire existence theories based AROUND what we know to be true to make it "true" to them and make ours false.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Other religions were easy to disprove. There are no God's atop Mount Olympus...There is no God carrying the sun across the sky. Etc etc etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What I find funny, though, is how Fundamentalists believe the Earth is 6,000 years old, give or take, because of the Bible's time-line, yet they fail to realize that before their religion, there were others. Paganism, Druidism, etc. They're not the first people to pull a religion out of their butt and fly with it. And as you can see today, they're not the last, either.

 

 

 

You can never prove that God didn't just snap everything into existence. It could have easily just made the world and people 6000 years ago, and made it appear that the universe was 15 billion years old.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't believe that bs, but you can't rule out the possibility.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, and there is a god carrying the sun across the sky :-w .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have you ever thought, that religion is more than just a belief. Why would the average person want to belief in a plain-old religion? Have you ever thought that we see our belief working in the world we live in. That yes we've experienced miracles ourselves, through our faith and such. Its not something I'd expect an atheist like you two, to actually understand, (especially considering you both have no faith). Its not something you can judge especially since you haven't experienced it. Yes, it's a different and changed life I have through my faith.

 

 

 

Sometimes I really wonder if it's better to examine matters from the inside of the box (emotion, faith, experience) or from the outside (analysis).

[RSBDavid]

Another point, is dinosaurs

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

well according to scientists they were extinct 400 billion gazillion years ago.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but they are still living...in some parts of the african rainforest...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://paranormal.about.com/od/livingdinosaurs/a/aa011606_2.htm

[Tigra00]

 

Another point, is dinosaurs

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

well according to scientists they were extinct 400 billion gazillion years ago.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but they are still living...in some parts of the african rainforest...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://paranormal.about.com/od/livingdinosaurs/a/aa011606_2.htm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please do note the "Paranormal" website tag...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

While that is the best place for a dinosaur to still be alive, it's unlikely that any are. They were all wiped out for a reason, afterall. Comet hit, and you can't really be selective about who doesn't die. It's mass-death for anything not able to adapt, and it was.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's also important to point out that anyone who follows a "religion" is a moron. God isn't going to be a single-tiny-bit impressed by your silly label when the time comes for judging. It's all about you and him, not you and a group of cultists. Think about that before you classify yourself.

[BlueLancer]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's also important to point out that anyone who follows a "religion" is a moron.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, actually some very intelligent people are a part of a religion. Even hundreds and thousands of years ago, the wisest scientists and mathematicians obeyed Islam and it's teachings. A lot of medieval philosophists were devoted christians. Today, still a lot of professors and scientific researchers are religious, maybe not the majority, but some. I wouldn't say "anyone" who follows a religion is a moron.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do think a person is a fool who thinks his religion somehow ranks higher in the eyes of a supreme being than another religion. There are countless religions, what makes yours better just based on faith?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Believe what you want, just don't put others down based on your 'evidence' gained by praying, wearing orange robes, eating mushrooms or whatever your religion does.

[falco513]

 

 

Jesus WAS a real person.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In the roman empire, there was a great writer called Pliny the Younger. He wrote letters to the emperor of rome at the time, Trajan, describing how he planned to deal with these Christians who believe in Jesus, who was alive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Trajan responded praising Pliny for his ideas.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So right there, the outside source has told us Jesus did exist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So if I went and wrote a letter to someone about being abducted by "flying robot monkey alien things", that would be considered proof they exist? :roll:

 

 

 

1: No one respects your writing. No offense, I think.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2: Pliny was respected, and he has historical data of Jesus existing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3: There are dozens (or more?) of historical sources verifying the existence of Jesus. Look up your facts before you even dare to use the " :roll: " emote.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wasn't trying to claim that he never existed (I already know that he did), just that I didn't believe a couple of letters qualified as proof. Afterall, all those letters actually are are the words of one man to another, which is hardly conclusive.

[TheLastTemplar]

It's also important to point out that anyone who follows a "religion" is a moron.-Tigra

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

hm. So your calling yourself a moron.. :-k

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is no such thing as no religion.Most people think that religion is the worship of one being or many beings, but that just is not so. Everyone has a religion. From what I see,Tigra, You believe in nothing right? That is a belief. Or a religion...It just is not what you think of when you hear the word religion.

[Demonic_Bunny]

*Correction, Templar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Everyone has a belief, A religion is a belief based on faith, insofar as we have found no absolute evidence in the existence of god.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, I may believe in Gravity ( Space-time curevature. ), this however, is not a religion, as it is based, on the best of human knowledge, on fact.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, for those who believe the Christan bible to be the 'Word Of God' and a moral guideline, read this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/ ... moral.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(Please correct me if i cannot post a link? )

[TheLastTemplar]

eh..I more or less agree.

[Demonic_Bunny]

*Gives Cookie* :