fat_hobbit22 Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 lol will you two stop arguing your both right! 1. The Qu'ran does give information that tells you to kill someone, if they invade your land. Fact. It is lesser Jihad, and although the muslim extreemists have interpreted this wrong, it is not their fault, it is the relegions, it should be very clear about what it has in the Qu'ran it should not leave room for interpretation, because when it does you can interpret it wrongly. There are muslim extreemists in the world than Christians. Fact. I did take the time to look it up. 2. Islam litreally means, peace or submission to God. It is not a violent relegion, and is not ntended to be one! It is only the misinterpretation that makes it look violent. the bible....sigh....amazing how popular that fictious book is, now I do believe that it was loosely based on real events, some that never happened of course, and many that were exaggerated with each telling. The Bible you see was written by the Nicene Council in 321-325 AD. The king brought together all major religious scholars, 100 of them and they were tasked to make one book with a common theme for the masses to follow. They threw out 7 major "books" and condensed the remainders into a common line of thought, unfortunately for them it is easy to identify the more then 1300 major mistakes, stories that dont line up from one passage to another, different ages and dates between one or another, provable out right lies etc etc. The scary part to me are the religious fanatics who take every word literally. They believe it in it's entirety, god bless them....pity them for they are brain washed beyond saving. Here are some of my favorite ones: As one examines the biblical "Great Flood", conflicting elements become clear. The most obvious concerns the numbers of creatures Noah is to bring with him. In Gen. 6:19-20 God tells Noah to bring one pair of "every living thing including birds." But in Gen.7:2-3 God gives a different set of instructions. Here he tells Noah to bring with him seven pairs of ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅcleanÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâà Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assassin_696 Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 Isn't the greater revelation not whether or not it actually happened, but that Christianity's "God" is one which practices ethnic cleansing on the huge scale, and we teach our children this? "Da mihi castitatem et continentam, sed noli modo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fat_hobbit22 Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 Isn't the greater revelation not whether or not it actually happened, but that Christianity's "God" is one which practices ethnic cleansing on the huge scale, and we teach our children this? welcome to christianity, it sugar coats everything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 1. The Qu'ran does give information that tells you to kill someone, if they invade your land. Fact. It is lesser Jihad, and although the muslim extreemists have interpreted this wrong, it is not their fault, it is the relegions, it should be very clear about what it has in the Qu'ran it should not leave room for interpretation, because when it does you can interpret it wrongly. There are muslim extreemists in the world than Christians. Fact. I did take the time to look it up. I am not doubting that extermists exist for every religion, i am contesting his prejudice against one religion for a tiny section that takes things too far. While he assumed that Christians all around the world are peaceful loving people. Isn't the greater revelation not whether or not it actually happened, but that Christianity's "God" is one which practices ethnic cleansing on the huge scale, and we teach our children this? Thats my thoughts exactly, how far can you indoctrinate people to think God was justified to kill almost the entire race of humans. However you will mainly get arguments for it's symbolic representation. How a fundementalist would dispute this, I am not sure. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fat_hobbit22 Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 I am not doubting that extermists exist for every religion, i am contesting his prejudice against one religion for a tiny section that takes things too far. While he assumed that Christians all around the world are peaceful loving people. Sorry missuderstod you there, totaly agree with you though if that helps :-s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaziek Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 i didnt tell him to get blown up. i was saying that he might get blown up for ditsing islam, while when he is picking on christians he can get away with it. i was telling him to try to pick on someone his own size. id like to see a few more "athiest vs Islam" posts rather than vs christains. we arent blowing people up. sorry i got confused with you. ps: looks like satenza cant prove me wrong, can he? You are just a worthless subject of media representation. Islamic people don't blow people up, tiny fractions do. Which is exactly the same for christianity where tiny fractions kill people in the name of their religion. Perhaps they don't crash planes into buildings but throughout history christians have murdered thousands upon thousands of people. Get your facts straight before attempting to sweepingly insult a religion when your religions guilty of the same atrocites. i have two things to say to you satenza. 1: Why am i an idiot, you didnt answer that one yet? 2: when was the last time you heard about a christian blowing himself up in the name of jesus. yes, we have commited atrocias crimes in the past but im talking about today in the modern world. sorry, thats the muslims that do that. no, not all of them but still, how many terrorists are christian? 1. learn to spell 2. ever heard of the crusades - some of the most violent slaughters in history, and all in the name of christianity (supposedly) :ohnoes: :ohnoes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assassin_696 Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 2: when was the last time you heard about a christian blowing himself up in the name of jesus. yes, we have commited atrocias crimes in the past but im talking about today in the modern world. sorry, thats the muslims that do that. no, not all of them but still, how many terrorists are christian? Fundamentalist Christians scare me as much as fundamentalist Muslims. Their actions may not be as spectacular as those of suicidal terrorists but they undermine society in general just as much. "Da mihi castitatem et continentam, sed noli modo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WookieeMania12 Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 like he said, there will be fundamentalists on both sides, it's just rare on the Christian side and more on the Muslim side. Anyway, I read a bit of the Koran a long time ago and it did say to "kill anybody who is not a Muslim." The extremists are not "mis-reading" the Koran. If you don't believe me read it yourself. We should euthanize anyone who lacks the capability to contribute to society in any way.Please don't elect this man for president in 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assassin_696 Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 Anyway, I read the Koran a long time ago and it did say to "kill anybody who is not a Muslim." The extremists are not "mis-reading" the Koran. If you don't believe me read it yourself. I'm sure everyone (myself included) would like a little bit more than just your word for it that the Qu'ran says that. A surah reference would be nice, it's a big book to read through. "Da mihi castitatem et continentam, sed noli modo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malo2 Posted February 24, 2007 Share Posted February 24, 2007 "uhhh well I don't think the flood really could have happened, i mean cuz it really doesn't make any sense..." ORLY??? Anyway, I read the Koran a long time ago and it did say to "kill anybody who is not a Muslim." The extremists are not "mis-reading" the Koran. If you don't believe me read it yourself. I'm sure everyone (myself included) would like a little bit more than just your word for it that the Qu'ran says that. A surah reference would be nice, it's a big book to read through.the koran says many things, the koran also tells you to question your religion if you must. Lastfm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLancer Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 2: when was the last time you heard about a christian blowing himself up in the name of jesus. yes, we have commited atrocias crimes in the past but im talking about today in the modern world. sorry, thats the muslims that do that. no, not all of them but still, how many terrorists are christian? Fundamentalist Christians scare me as much as fundamentalist Muslims. Their actions may not be as spectacular as those of suicidal terrorists but they undermine society in general just as much. They could be of any religion, the true motives are socioeconomic. Those young people may have had their homes destroyed in a war. Their family, or some of the family, was murdered. They don't have money to get an education, and they can't get employed. On the other hand, a terrorist organisation will promise to pay $5,000 dollars for the "services" to the young man's family as a compensation in the name of "religion". They just happen to live in an area that was historically islamic. They could be any religion; There are krishna terrorists, hindu terrorists, buddhist terrorists... It has more to do with the society than the religion. You don't hear from christian suicide bombers much because the majority of christians live in stable societies untouched by crisis, hunger and wars. What motive would an average christian have to throw away his life for martyrdom? People don't "blow up stuff" for fun. Tens of thousands of 20 year olds who blew themselves up weren't doing it for "fun" or because they were "mad". Those young people were desperate, and possibly angry in the case of Iraq, towards the country who occupied their land and bombed their homes. You have no home, money, family, or a future. What do you have left to cry for, or live for? Why would you fear to martyr yourself when there is nothing left to lose in life? Don't you think those people are rather easily brainwashed by bloodthirsty preachers and rebel leaders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted February 25, 2007 Author Share Posted February 25, 2007 like he said, there will be fundamentalists on both sides, it's just rare on the Christian side and more on the Muslim side. Anyway, I read the Koran a long time ago and it did say to "kill anybody who is not a Muslim." The extremists are not "mis-reading" the Koran. If you don't believe me read it yourself. There are plenty of fundamentalist christians (although they are a minority, so don't try and twist my words) but instead of killing people, they kill science. Ironically them being critical of things like evolution gives the theory a lot of analysis and hence makes it stronger. I would still be interested to know from a Christian viewpoint if the flood covered the tip of mount everest (as I think it alludes to in the bible, but that's why I'm asking for clarification :? ) and if they believe it can be explained by science or is purely supernatural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender2516 Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 Why even bother attributing the Flood to Science? God can destroy the world any way he wants, why limit him to Newton's Laws? If you take that apporach then convientley all of Gods work can't be proved by us and by that token, disproved. Which to me is a cop-out. If God can do anything he wants, how would it be considered "disproved?". After all, it does say in the Bible, for God, nothing is impossible. He has no restrictions or laws to abide by, but his own word. And because you can't show evidence of Gods ability, you say he doesn't exist? Great thinking. ~Defender~ If you love me, send me a PM. 8 - Love me2 - Hate me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted February 25, 2007 Author Share Posted February 25, 2007 Why even bother attributing the Flood to Science? God can destroy the world any way he wants, why limit him to Newton's Laws? If you take that apporach then convientley all of Gods work can't be proved by us and by that token, disproved. Which to me is a cop-out. If God can do anything he wants, how would it be considered "disproved?". After all, it does say in the Bible, for God, nothing is impossible. He has no restrictions or laws to abide by, but his own word. And because you can't show evidence of Gods ability, you say he doesn't exist? Great thinking. ~Defender~ Quite simply because science, by defenition, deals purely with the natural and not the supernatural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assassin_696 Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 2: when was the last time you heard about a christian blowing himself up in the name of jesus. yes, we have commited atrocias crimes in the past but im talking about today in the modern world. sorry, thats the muslims that do that. no, not all of them but still, how many terrorists are christian? Fundamentalist Christians scare me as much as fundamentalist Muslims. Their actions may not be as spectacular as those of suicidal terrorists but they undermine society in general just as much. They could be of any religion, the true motives are socioeconomic. Those young people may have had their homes destroyed in a war. Their family, or some of the family, was murdered. They don't have money to get an education, and they can't get employed. On the other hand, a terrorist organisation will promise to pay $5,000 dollars for the "services" to the young man's family as a compensation in the name of "religion". They just happen to live in an area that was historically islamic. They could be any religion; There are krishna terrorists, hindu terrorists, buddhist terrorists... It has more to do with the society than the religion. You don't hear from christian suicide bombers much because the majority of christians live in stable societies untouched by crisis, hunger and wars. What motive would an average christian have to throw away his life for martyrdom? People don't "blow up stuff" for fun. Tens of thousands of 20 year olds who blew themselves up weren't doing it for "fun" or because they were "mad". Those young people were desperate, and possibly angry in the case of Iraq, towards the country who occupied their land and bombed their homes. You have no home, money, family, or a future. What do you have left to cry for, or live for? Why would you fear to martyr yourself when there is nothing left to lose in life? Don't you think those people are rather easily brainwashed by bloodthirsty preachers and rebel leaders? I would disagree. I think most Islamic suicide bombers today do it out of faith, a completely unshakeable, resounding faith in martyrdom. They are brought up in a fundamentalist society, preached to by radical clerics who tell them the same things again and again; to hate the West and to love Allah and be prepared to die for him. The 7/7 suicide bombers were not living in poverty, far from it. They were living in a developed, modern city (Bradford) that was far ahead from where they might have been born in the Middle East. They left behind children, wives, friends and good jobs. They had absolutely everything going for them, and in most cases they were good citizens except they were willing to die for Allah in his name because they were promised a glorious afterlife. Their life was pretty good, yes, but the promised 72 virgins in heaven would seem much more appealing, and they genuinely believed that what they were doing was God's work. Because of their faith, and not socio-economic reasons. Teaching that unquestionable, unshakeable faith is a virtue is the root of a lot of our problems today. "Da mihi castitatem et continentam, sed noli modo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted February 25, 2007 Author Share Posted February 25, 2007 Teaching that unquestionable, unshakeable faith is a virtue is the root of a lot of our problems today. Too true. It's rediculously counter intuative and, as we know from the Islamic Extremist example, incredibly dangerous. Which ever way you look at it, one could argue [insert diety here] gave us a questioning, inquiring nature. Thus, to supress it could be going against [inser diety here]'s will and purpose for us being here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 Why even bother attributing the Flood to Science? God can destroy the world any way he wants, why limit him to Newton's Laws? If you take that apporach then convientley all of Gods work can't be proved by us and by that token, disproved. Which to me is a cop-out. If God can do anything he wants, how would it be considered "disproved?". After all, it does say in the Bible, for God, nothing is impossible. He has no restrictions or laws to abide by, but his own word. And because you can't show evidence of Gods ability, you say he doesn't exist? Great thinking. ~Defender~ We use science to prove things. God does not follow the laws of logic, science ect. Therefore we can't use science to prove God. If we can't use science to prove God we can't use science to disprove him. Quite simple and a cop-out. With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assassin_696 Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 We use science to prove things. God does not follow the laws of logic, science ect. Therefore we can't use science to prove God. If we can't use science to prove God we can't use science to disprove him. Quite simple and a cop-out. Bingo, it's an absolute cop-out, and one I scarily used to believe in. "Da mihi castitatem et continentam, sed noli modo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WookieeMania12 Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 Anyway, I read the Koran a long time ago and it did say to "kill anybody who is not a Muslim." The extremists are not "mis-reading" the Koran. If you don't believe me read it yourself. I'm sure everyone (myself included) would like a little bit more than just your word for it that the Qu'ran says that. A surah reference would be nice, it's a big book to read through. Sorry, little typo. :ohnoes: all fixed. We should euthanize anyone who lacks the capability to contribute to society in any way.Please don't elect this man for president in 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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