Oh dear Bubsa. You badun.

 

 

 

Just messing. Its always a select few that ruin it for the others and the situation and organisation of the event was pants plus the fact that it wasn't even in a football stadium.

 

However they did have a point that none of the Milan fans did it.

 

 

 

But yeh, always a minority ala the end of season pitch invasion at leeds being the latest for us here.

I dont think that Mcleish will be able to keep the team spirit or the momentum that Walter Smith created.

 

I thought the same when Smith left, but they appointed the right man who I think can motivate the team in the same way, McLeish.

 

It's not just the manager though, it's the players too. Under Berti Vogts I struggled to pick a first XI that I would feel is a good team. Now I can do it easy with loads of decent players to spare.

 

Though don't think we'll manage to pull off the points necessary though to gain qualification, we can still be proud that we have a decent footballing nation again :)

 

 

 

Yeah, I just don't think Mcleish is a capable manager.

 

 

 

I know he did ok at Rangers in his first couple of seasons, but with the amount of cash that was being thrown at him, it was kinda hard to mess up (which he did in spectacular fashion during his last season at Rangers).

 

 

 

Now he's managing Scotland where money doesn't mean anything... I don't think he has a chance, especially after Tommy Burns bolted from the stables lol.

Oh dear Bubsa. You badun.

 

 

 

Just messing. Its always a select few that ruin it for the others and the situation and organisation of the event was pants plus the fact that it wasn't even in a football stadium.

 

However they did have a point that none of the Milan fans did it.

 

 

 

But yeh, always a minority ala the end of season pitch invasion at leeds being the latest for us here.

 

 

 

Just another case of UEFA blaming everything on the english teams, if an English team did half of what other teams have done we would be banned from european competition again.

I dont think that Mcleish will be able to keep the team spirit or the momentum that Walter Smith created.

 

I thought the same when Smith left, but they appointed the right man who I think can motivate the team in the same way, McLeish.

 

It's not just the manager though, it's the players too. Under Berti Vogts I struggled to pick a first XI that I would feel is a good team. Now I can do it easy with loads of decent players to spare.

 

Though don't think we'll manage to pull off the points necessary though to gain qualification, we can still be proud that we have a decent footballing nation again :)

 

 

 

Yeah, I just don't think Mcleish is a capable manager.

 

 

 

I know he did ok at Rangers in his first couple of seasons, but with the amount of cash that was being thrown at him, it was kinda hard to mess up (which he did in spectacular fashion during his last season at Rangers).

 

 

 

Now he's managing Scotland where money doesn't mean anything... I don't think he has a chance, especially after Tommy Burns bolted from the stables lol.

 

 

 

Actually he didn't really have much of a transfer budget at all (by Rangers standards). Remember he came in right after Advocaat's mega spending years so Rangers were looking for somebody to work on a limited budget. You could argue he inherited alot of the big money signings that Advocaat bought but he still didn't have too much to throw around.

 

 

 

Anyway, who else would take/be capable of doing the job? There aren't that many Scottish managers (the SFA wanted a Scot) who have the ability, the experience and are willing to do the job.

i don't know why people are worrying about Estonia..really England should beat them by quite a margin seeing as Estonia isn't really famed for its football and we of course did draw with Brazil :)

i don't know why people are worrying about Estonia..really England should beat them by quite a margin seeing as Estonia isn't really famed for its football and we of course did draw with Brazil :)

 

 

 

we should, but wont. Scrappy 1-0 win im afraid...

i don't know why people are worrying about Estonia..really England should beat them by quite a margin seeing as Estonia isn't really famed for its football and we of course did draw with Brazil :)

 

 

 

we should, but wont. Scrappy 1-0 win im afraid...

I can actually see a good performance and a 2 - 0 win (being a psychic and all :-s )

 

 

 

But although Brazil were poor aswell, I don't think that we were that bad and a similar performance against Estonia should be just fine.

Oh dear Bubsa. You badun.

 

 

 

Just messing. Its always a select few that ruin it for the others and the situation and organisation of the event was pants plus the fact that it wasn't even in a football stadium.

 

However they did have a point that none of the Milan fans did it.

 

 

 

But yeh, always a minority ala the end of season pitch invasion at leeds being the latest for us here.

 

 

 

Just another case of UEFA blaming everything on the english teams, if an English team did half of what other teams have done we would be banned from european competition again.

 

 

 

Yep, and now everyone has conveniently forgotten of the whole ticket fiasco that ruined the final for 20,000 fans. What a surprise, UEFA.

I was chatting to an expatriot, originally from London, on Saturday night about this very thing..

 

 

 

It's funny how most of Europe thinks the English fans are the worst in the world.

 

 

 

For christs sakes, the Italian groups have mafia connections.. how are a bunch of loud scousers considered worse than that?

What do we think about Man Ure bringin in Nani and Anderson then?

 

 

 

I'd say they were both good buys if not a bit risky for the price but they still haven't adressed the fact that they need a top class striker othe than being linked with the great 'Le Sulk'. I hope they don't get one either :P

I'm confident England will win the match. If we don't then there's very slim chance of qualification for Euro 08 :anxious:

 

 

 

Man Utd buying Nani, Anderson and Hargreaves is great news for the club. They will be seen as great investments (especially if people like Giggs and Ole Gunnar SolskjÃÆÃâÃâær are retiring in the next few seasons) for the long term and will develop even more into greater players. :D

 

 

 

I'm more of a Liverpool fan though, very excited about what plays Rafa and the new owners are lining up for the club :D

Scotland win 2 - 0 away against the mighty Faroe Islands

 

England winning 1 - 0 in the equally good estonia

 

:wink:

France 1-0 over Georgia. France dictated play, yet couldn't manage to put away more than Nasri's first goal for Les Bleus. Oh well, nice to see Thuram still has it :-).

France 1-0 over Georgia. France dictated play, yet couldn't manage to put away more than Nasri's first goal for Les Bleus. Oh well, nice to see Thuram still has it :-).

 

I'm just hoping that France will beat Italy in the next match. Might give a bit of hope for qualifying.

Let's be clear about Liverpool fans. There was no trouble at the AC Milan end of the ground. None. Yet we see scenes like that with Liverpool fans?

 

 

 

They also practicaly admitted they were poorly behaved. I saw dozens of fans going over there saying they would buy tickets off the black market, some saying they would actually steal tickets from other fans. We have a psychology in the North... you don't steal from your own. The club has said they received only 17,000 tickets, so it's UEFA's fault. Well, that's hypocritical quite frankly. A third of their tickets went to corporate sponsers, that's why there were so few tickets made avaliable to fans. Frankl,y if I was a Liverpool fan, I'd feel cheated by the club! Again, I stress that AC Milan worked under the same conditions, yet got on fine.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, this isn't a case of UEFA picking on UK fans. A small minority of Liverpool fans have got to learn to abide by the rules, and have ruined the club's reputation. That's not UEFA's fault - in fact it's actually the club's responsiblity to look after fans. So if you want to blame the behaviour of Liverpool fans on anyone, look at the club.

 

 

 

Once again, British Media refuses to accept other places in Europe are better than the UK...

Scotland win 2 - 0 away against the mighty Faroe Islands

 

England winning 1 - 0 in the equally good estonia

 

:wink:

 

 

 

Well those results definately leave us both in contention of qualifying (although England more so).

 

 

 

Scotland's next game isn't until September :(

 

 

 

Man, I really hate summer.... almost two months with no football that i'm interested in. It's ok in World cup or Euro Championship years, but every second year is torture lol. I'm having really serious withdrawal symptons ;)

Man, I really hate summer.... almost two months with no football that i'm interested in. It's ok in World cup or Euro Championship years, but every second year is torture lol. I'm having really serious withdrawal symptons ;)

Tell me about it :(

 

 

 

Plenty of cricket though :D

Let's be clear about Liverpool fans. There was no trouble at the AC Milan end of the ground. None. Yet we see scenes like that with Liverpool fans?

 

 

 

They also practicaly admitted they were poorly behaved. I saw dozens of fans going over there saying they would buy tickets off the black market, some saying they would actually steal tickets from other fans. We have a psychology in the North... you don't steal from your own. The club has said they received only 17,000 tickets, so it's UEFA's fault. Well, that's hypocritical quite frankly. A third of their tickets went to corporate sponsers, that's why there were so few tickets made avaliable to fans. Frankl,y if I was a Liverpool fan, I'd feel cheated by the club! Again, I stress that AC Milan worked under the same conditions, yet got on fine.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, this isn't a case of UEFA picking on UK fans. A small minority of Liverpool fans have got to learn to abide by the rules, and have ruined the club's reputation. That's not UEFA's fault - in fact it's actually the club's responsiblity to look after fans. So if you want to blame the behaviour of Liverpool fans on anyone, look at the club.

 

 

 

Once again, British Media refuses to accept other places in Europe are better than the UK...

 

 

 

If you truly think that the kind of behaviour you mentioned didn't exist with Milan fans, than your naivety is hardly worth dignifying with a response.

its sad when a football club bites the dust, today that has happened to Scarborough fc.

 

 

 

Scarborough FC

 

 

 

:(

 

 

 

cant imagine what there fans are going through, i dont know what i would do if the same thing happened with my club.

its sad when a football club bites the dust, today that has happened to Scarborough fc.

 

 

 

Scarborough FC

 

 

 

:(

 

 

 

cant imagine what there fans are going through, i dont know what i would do if the same thing happened with my club.

 

 

 

That is a shame.

Anybody saw the European Championship 21- yesterday? Semi-final Holland - England was very exciting. England 1 goal ahead, and Holland made the equalizer (fantastic goal) in the 89th minute! After a 32 penalty shoot-out Holland went trough to the final.

Let's be clear about Liverpool fans. There was no trouble at the AC Milan end of the ground. None. Yet we see scenes like that with Liverpool fans?

 

 

 

They also practicaly admitted they were poorly behaved. I saw dozens of fans going over there saying they would buy tickets off the black market, some saying they would actually steal tickets from other fans. We have a psychology in the North... you don't steal from your own. The club has said they received only 17,000 tickets, so it's UEFA's fault. Well, that's hypocritical quite frankly. A third of their tickets went to corporate sponsers, that's why there were so few tickets made avaliable to fans. Frankl,y if I was a Liverpool fan, I'd feel cheated by the club! Again, I stress that AC Milan worked under the same conditions, yet got on fine.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, this isn't a case of UEFA picking on UK fans. A small minority of Liverpool fans have got to learn to abide by the rules, and have ruined the club's reputation. That's not UEFA's fault - in fact it's actually the club's responsiblity to look after fans. So if you want to blame the behaviour of Liverpool fans on anyone, look at the club.

 

 

 

Once again, British Media refuses to accept other places in Europe are better than the UK...

 

 

 

If you truly think that the kind of behaviour you mentioned didn't exist with Milan fans, than your naivety is hardly worth dignifying with a response.

 

 

 

I'm naÃÆÃâÃâïve? OK let's think for a while here. Let's take your scenario, where there are two sets of disorderly fans trying to barge their way into a stadium. The UK press, which, for obvious reasons, tends to bias itself in favour of a pro-British view, decides to televise the Liverpool fans being disorderly instead of trying to hide this and televise the Milan fans instead. If what you say is true, and both fans were equally as bad as each other, then why would the British media only televise the Liverpool fans, when they could create a much bigger stir by televising the Milan fans being misbehaved? That makes no sense whatsoever...

 

 

 

Also, UEFA have confirmed that there was no trouble at the Milan end. Are they naÃÆÃâÃâïve too? Now, UK fans can say that UEFA deliberetely picks on UK fans as scapegoats for crowd trouble as a whole, but let's be clear about the stats here. There was more violence at fixtures with teams from the UK than there was any other country. That really speaks for itself...

 

 

 

I'll say to you what I say to RS players when they get banned for bug abusing (feeling they were in the right because it's only a glitch). Instead of blaming the person that punishes you for your behaviour, why don't you actually stand up and take accountability for yourselves. After all, although others can influence your decisions, no-one controls your actions apart from you.

 

 

 

Until you can find proof that the Milan fans were acting in the way you mentioned, and that they were indeed acting anywhere near as badly as the Liverpool fans, then frankly your argument isn't worth the paper it's printed on...

I'm naÃÆÃâÃâïve? OK let's think for a while here. Let's take your scenario, where there are two sets of disorderly fans trying to barge their way into a stadium. The UK press, which, for obvious reasons, tends to bias itself in favour of a pro-British view, decides to televise the Liverpool fans being disorderly instead of trying to hide this and televise the Milan fans instead. If what you say is true, and both fans were equally as bad as each other, then why would the British media only televise the Liverpool fans, when they could create a much bigger stir by televising the Milan fans being misbehaved? That makes no sense whatsoever...

 

 

 

Yeah, because Milan fans would want to get into the Liverpool end of the ground? As you say, there's a country bias in the media, anmd therefore, if you'd bothered to look at Italian footage, you would have seen problems at the Milan end of the ground, and none showing Liverpool problems. I also happen to know near 100 people who went to the game, all of them reporting problems with both fans, none saying which was causing more trouble, just trouble which should not have been present by either set of fans. They asked other Milan fans what they thought the problem with and many came up with the same problem: policing and access. These problems were present during the 2004 Athens Olympics, unsurprising seing the mass rush to finish the stadium in time for that, which turned out to be the only big problem (thankfully) of those games.

 

 

 

Also, UEFA have confirmed that there was no trouble at the Milan end. Are they naÃÆÃâÃâïve too? Now, UK fans can say that UEFA deliberetely picks on UK fans as scapegoats for crowd trouble as a whole, but let's be clear about the stats here. There was more violence at fixtures with teams from the UK than there was any other country. That really speaks for itself...

 

 

 

So me that confirmation please? I've yet to read it in any news feed. And if you think Italian violence isn't present, that's completely ridiculous. Here's 3 examples straight from the top of my head 2005 CL Semi Inter vs Milan - match abandoned. Roma vs Man U this year? Leeds vs Roma around 5 years ago? They don't get called 'Ultra fans' for nothing.

 

 

 

I'll say to you what I say to RS players when they get banned for bug abusing (feeling they were in the right because it's only a glitch). Instead of blaming the person that punishes you for your behaviour, why don't you actually stand up and take accountability for yourselves. After all, although others can influence your decisions, no-one controls your actions apart from you.

 

 

 

No real need to dignify this with a response, comparing it to RS bug abuse. :lol: However, the arguement was never about denying the blame, it was highlighting that all parties were to blame, as explained above.

 

 

 

Also, don't bother responding with "Oh, well, your friends would say that" etc. because then you're saying you trust a biased, finanical media source over eye witness accounts - which again is farcical. Find some fact in your claim as well before you start attacking someone else's 'lack of'.

 

 

 

The fact that no action has been carried out on either club shows the admittance from all parties, Milan, Liverpool and UEFA that there were faults. Action on one party would point the blame predominantly on them and months after the final there has yet to be even talk of it, never mind a threat of it. That should be reason enough for you to lay to rest this little vendetta.

Rumor is Barcelona have had a bid Accepted by Arsenal for Thierry Henry, and its only ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã16,000,000. And considering West Ham bid ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã17,000,000 for Darren Bent that is a steal.

Yeah, even he has confirmed that he is going to Barcelona. I'm waiting to see if there is any player swapping + cash deal, or it's just a cash deal.. :-k