SSBB Chars vs SSBM Chars(also inclds. how to unlock them)

Well, as you all should know, Brawl has taken out characters from Mellee and replaced them with new characters. Well lets have a look at which.

Melle - Brawl

Pichu Lucario

Young Link Toon Link

Mewtwo Meta Knight

Roy Ike

Dr. Mario King Dedede

and brawl has 8 other added characters :sonic, snake, diddy kong, wolf, ROB,pit,pokemon trainer and lucas

Well, what I am trying to say is that they removed some of the good characters from melee such as Mewtwo and Roy, they were good characters, plus, I can't imagine wat Mewtwo's final smash would look like. Why do they have to add lucas? He has them same exact power as ness except for his PK Freeze. And why wolf? there is already 2 starfox characters....... Dr. Mario and Pichu i thought where pretty bad characters as well and am happy that they have been replaced. I believe that there are also to many mario characters. Maybe take out Peach and Yoshi. They should also add another sonic character such as knuckles or tails,and take out Luigi. And add another metal gear solid character like cyborg ninja or vulcan raven. But besides the fact, i still think Brawl is a very very very awesome game. :thumbsup:

O and btw, if u are having trouble unlocking characters from either melee or brawl, here is how to unlock them.

[hide=Melee Unlock Characters]All characters can be unlocked by playing a certain amount of vs matches. But there are other ways to unlock them. You will notice a number in "( )"after each character , this shows how many vs matches you can play to unlock that character.And remember after completing the required task to unlock the character, you must battle that character in order to be able to play as them.

Jigglypuff (50)complete the game in 1-P Mode at any difficulty/stock (Adventure or Classic).

Dr. Mario (100)complete 1-P Classic Mode using Mario at any difficulty/stock and without continuing.

Pichu(200)complete Event 37 (Legendary Pokémon)

Falco(300)complete Event 37 (Legendary Pokémon)

Marth(400)play Classic mode with all 14 regular characters (not ones you've unlocked).Alternatively, you can simply use every character as a human player in VS. Mode

Young Link(500)complete Classic mode with 10 different characters at any difficulty/stock.

Ganondorf(600)complete Event 29

Mewtwo(700)play in VS. Mode for either 20 hours (Combined VS. Play Time total)

Luigi(800)in Adventure Mode, complete the stage with a 2 in the seconds meter (03:12:43 for example).

Roy(900)complete Classic Mode using Marth at any difficulty/stock.

Mr. Game and Watch(1,000)complete both Classic or Adventure 1-P mode or the Target Test with ALL characters at any difficulty/stock, regular and hidden (that includes Mewtwo).

Information Provided by http://www.gamefaqs.com[/hide]

[hide=Brawl Unlock Characters]All characters can be unlocked by playing a certain amount of vs matches. But there are other ways to unlock them. You will notice a number in "( )"after each character , this shows how many vs matches you can play to unlock that character.And remember after completing the required task to unlock the character, you must battle that character in order to be able to play as them. Also, all characters (that are on the good side of their respective game) can be unlocked by having them join in the SSE(Subspace Emissary).

Ness(5)Reflect ten projectiles

Marth(10)Finish Classic on any difficulty

Luigi(22)Complete Classic without continuing

Falco(50)Complete 100-man brawl

Captain Falcon(70)Beat Classic in 12 minutes or less

Lucario(100)Complete all 5 Target Tests with a character

Snake(130)Play 15 matches on Shadow Moses Island

R.O.B.(160)Get 250 different Trophies

Ganondorf(200)Collect Zelda and Link trophies in SSE to have him join you OR Clear Classic on Hard with Link or Zelda

Mr. Game and Watch(250)Clear Target Tests on any level with 30+ characters

Sonic(300)Beat Classic Mode with 10 characters

Jigglypuff(350)Fight her in Swamp stage in SSE after completing it OR complete SSE then Events 1-20

Toon Link(400)Fight him in Forest stage in SSE after completing it OR After beating SSE, finish the Classic mode

Wolf(450)Fight him in Ruins stage in SSE after completing it OR Complete Boss Mode with Fox or Falco

The information about the amount of brawls is provided by me(yes i played over 450 brawls) and the information on alternative unlock tasks provided by http://www.gamefaqs.com[/hide]

Edit: i have also posted a discussion on the items from brawl and melee. it should be 8 posts down.

Edit: I will repost that post as a new forum being that it is technically a different topic from this.viewtopic.php?f=151&t=754369

Mewtwo is the only character I wish they didn't remove.

And Marth was much better than Roy.

Too biased for my taste.

All noobs and newbs think Luigi, Yoshi, and the like are all weak. And they think Ike owns.

I loved roy... Mewtwo, yeah, everybody wishes they kept him. Eh, I don't play Final smash so I don't really care. Top tier characters like snake would suck in melee. Wavedash is short, can't combo, recovery would suck, overall a low tier char. Metaknight (Who is already considered the 1/2nd best) would be too good.

All in all, they had to change the characters to make them fit in with the high/low hitlag, loss of l-cancel, combos, wavedash, ect.

um, roy is almost exactly the same as ike, the only special moves that were changed was the right b move. Also, ike is almost like marth, its just that ike uses fire, which makes him stronger.

um, roy is almost exactly the same as ike, the only special moves that were changed was the right b move. Also, ike is almost like marth, its just that ike uses fire, which makes him stronger.

What makes you think Roy is even similar to Ike?

In any way? Don't just say "He's slower than marth with more power"

How they play, how they space, how they approach, how they damage, how they kill is completely opposite. Roy is one of the most defensive characteres in brawl. Ike... isn't.

I could go on a rant detailing exactly how much better Lucas is than Ness and how totally different Ike is from Marth, but I've done that somewhere else already and frankly it would be a waste of time.

As for the characters they took out . . . Pichu was a clone and crap to boot, Dr. Mario was a clone, Young Link a near-clone, Roy a clone, Mewtwo I never cared for and Lucario is similar anyway.

I could go on a rant detailing exactly how much better Lucas is than Ness and how totally different Ike is from Marth, but I've done that somewhere else already and frankly it would be a waste of time.

 

 

 

As for the characters they took out . . . Pichu was a clone and crap to boot, Dr. Mario was a clone, Young Link a near-clone, Roy a clone, Mewtwo I never cared for and Lucario is similar anyway.

Agreed, except Lucas is worse than Ness. Tournament results don't lie. To the author, they are nothing alike.

He had a hype when brawl first came out, like Ike and Wolf. People now know he isn't close to as good as people first thought.

I hate some of the extra crap that they put in. Like those bombs for Snake.

Nintendo just had to add people and maybe up the graphics and they STILL [bleep] up. Why they thought slowing down the game was a good idea is beyond me.

Edit:I have made a new forum on this topic below(the one about items) being that there will be 2 different discussions going on. So this topic can be found on this new post so you can discuss.viewtopic.php?f=151&t=754369

I noticed that brawl also has added/removed different items from melee. Some of which were positive or negative.

[hide=Pokeballs(both)]what i also was disappointed about discovering in brawl was that they took out some of the good pokemon that come out of the poke-balls. Such as articuno, raiku, scissor, [Caution: Jagex Rule Violation]r, porygon, cindiquil,blastoise, charizard, zapdos, weezing, clefary, chancey, marill, unknown, and venosaur.

But they did compensate for some of the pokemon's disappearance by adding a different pokemon which serves a similar purpose such as marrill and piplup, torchick and cindiquil, latios/latias and unknown,venosaur, and metagross, etc.

and new pokemon has showed up as well as in bonsly, deoxys, gardevoir, groudon, gulpin, jirachi, kyogre, manaphy, meowth, munchlax, and weavile.

they did keep most of the decent pokemon such as staryu, chikorita, entei, suicine(power is different),togepei, wobbuffet, lugia, [garden tool] oh, moltres, electrode etc.

and assist trophies basically do the same thing as poke-balls.[/hide]

[hide=Dragoon Pieces(brawl)]I think that the dragoon pieces were a good idea being that it can kill 3 ppl at once(3 bcuz there is only up to 3 other ppl u can kill in the stage).I think its also a bit fun that you have to collect the 3 pieces. But it gets irritating when people knock the pieces out of you and you have to knock it back out of them...... O well, great weapons comes great irritation but is kinda worth it.[/hide]

[hide=Flippers(melee)]I hated flippers, they were so annoying. and when you where to use it against a computer player, they would jsut avoid it.....[/hide]

[hide=Parasol(melee)]It's just an umbrella......wow. Nothing much to say about that -.-[/hide]

[hide=Barrel Cannon(melee)]OMG!!! a cannon that shoots you everywhere!!! wow!!! (in case you havn't figured it out, that was sarcasm......[/hide]

[hide=Sandbag(brawl)]Just give us a crate.... why give us a sandbag to hit for items? It's not like we can train on it to make our smashes stronger...... I mean, why add another item producer...we already have 3 types of item producers that worked just fine(barrels, crates, capsules).[/hide]

[hide=Blast Box(brawl)]Just like a crate except this has a 100% chance of blowing up. All other containers have a smaller change of doing so. This item can cause a great deal of damage.[/hide]

[hide=Bob-omb(both)]I was hoping they would take this item out. Although it is a classic nintendo franchise item, it is kind of annoying having it walk around the stage when it hasn't been picked up or having it blow up on you when you get ready to throw it.[/hide]

[hide=Pitfall(brawl)]Very annoying. You can't even tell where it is. It should at least cause the ground to get a darker shade just to indicate the pitfall at least. But it is good if your enemy is following you, and they fall into your pitfall trap. So although it has its downsides, it does compensate for it.[/hide]

[hide=Smart Bomb(brawl)]Very very very annoying, even if ur the one who threw it, u still get hit if ur close enough....... If your in a small stage such as final destination, its very hard to dodge it.[/hide]

[hide=Smash Ball(brawl)]What can i say? its awesome!![/hide]

[hide=Timer(brawl)]Well, it is very useful when you want to get the smash ball. But it hinders you when someone else uses it. The timer is also good for executing massive smashes and KO's[/hide]

[hide=Superspicy Curry(brawl)]The curry is very helpful when your in a tight situation. Shooting Fireballs at 45 degree angles. But once someone is aimed at you, it can be very hard to escape it....[/hide]

I hate some of the extra crap that they put in. Like those bombs for Snake.

 

 

 

Nintendo just had to add people and maybe up the graphics and they STILL [bleep] up. Why they thought slowing down the game was a good idea is beyond me.

Of course they're going to put bombs on him.

Lol, that was intentional. Just like the deletion of Wavedashing, l canceling, hit lag, ect. Tripping? Sakurai says he's against competetive brawling.

Also, Beetho, who plays items...?

I hate some of the extra crap that they put in. Like those bombs for Snake.

 

 

 

Nintendo just had to add people and maybe up the graphics and they STILL [bleep] up. Why they thought slowing down the game was a good idea is beyond me.

 

 

 

Of course they're going to put bombs on him.

 

 

 

Lol, that was intentional. Just like the deletion of Wavedashing, l canceling, hit lag, ect. Tripping? Sakurai says he's against competetive brawling.

 

 

Also, Beetho, who plays items...?

I do, and so do my friends and cousins who play brawl. If you don't think we should play with items, well that's your opinion. But to me, i think playing with items makes the game more fun and random. You don't know what you will expect with certain items on. Although i ususally play with all items off except for the smash ball.

Lol, that was intentional. Just like the deletion of Wavedashing, l canceling, hit lag, ect. Tripping? Sakurai says he's against competetive brawling.

the whole reason why me and my friends logged hundreds of hours playing melee was because it was fastpaced. it was competitive. in brawl, i just leave my controller there while i go get food because i get so bored

even when i was new to Melee (didn't play the N64 either), i enjoyed getting my [wagon] kicked because the game was just too fun. I [bleep]ing hate Nintendo this generation because they're so eager to keep milking non-gamers.

Lol, that was intentional. Just like the deletion of Wavedashing, l canceling, hit lag, ect. Tripping? Sakurai says he's against competetive brawling.

 

 

 

the whole reason why me and my friends logged hundreds of hours playing melee was because it was fastpaced. it was competitive. in brawl, i just leave my controller there while i go get food because i get so bored

 

 

 

even when i was new to Melee (didn't play the N64 either), i enjoyed getting my [wagon] kicked because the game was just too fun. I [bleep] hate Nintendo this generation because they're so eager to keep milking non-gamers.

Unless your as good as me, you're horribly exaggerating.

Lol, that was intentional. Just like the deletion of Wavedashing, l canceling, hit lag, ect. Tripping? Sakurai says he's against competetive brawling.

 

 

 

the whole reason why me and my friends logged hundreds of hours playing melee was because it was fastpaced. it was competitive. in brawl, i just leave my controller there while i go get food because i get so bored

 

 

 

even when i was new to Melee (didn't play the N64 either), i enjoyed getting my [wagon] kicked because the game was just too fun. I [bleep] hate Nintendo this generation because they're so eager to keep milking non-gamers.

SSBM was nothing more than an exercise in button-bashing when it came to hard competition. It was right they slowed it down, if only for people's physical health.

Lol, that was intentional. Just like the deletion of Wavedashing, l canceling, hit lag, ect. Tripping? Sakurai says he's against competetive brawling.

 

 

 

the whole reason why me and my friends logged hundreds of hours playing melee was because it was fastpaced. it was competitive. in brawl, i just leave my controller there while i go get food because i get so bored

 

 

 

even when i was new to Melee (didn't play the N64 either), i enjoyed getting my [wagon] kicked because the game was just too fun. I [bleep] hate Nintendo this generation because they're so eager to keep milking non-gamers.

 

SSBM was nothing more than an exercise in button-bashing when it came to hard competition. It was right they slowed it down, if only for people's physical health.

No, it's because Sakurai doesn't like competetive gaming. He likes everybody to be gitty and happy... :wall:

Agreed, except Lucas is worse than Ness. Tournament results don't lie. To the author, they are nothing alike.

 

 

 

He had a hype when brawl first came out, like Ike and Wolf. People now know he isn't close to as good as people first thought.

Tournament results can't be used as reliable judges of how good a character is, IMO. There is the whole factor of the person actually controlling the character, and how well they use him.

Lucas and Ike are my best characters, and having tried to play with Ness I can say that Lucas is better in so many ways. Then again, someone really good with Ness could beat me. There are just certain things about Lucas that I see as vast improvements over Ness, and those same things on Ness are anywhere from annoying to absolutely craptastic.

Agreed, except Lucas is worse than Ness. Tournament results don't lie. To the author, they are nothing alike.

 

 

 

He had a hype when brawl first came out, like Ike and Wolf. People now know he isn't close to as good as people first thought.

 

 

 

Tournament results can't be used as reliable judges of how good a character is, IMO. There is the whole factor of the person actually controlling the character, and how well they use him.

 

 

 

Lucas and Ike are my best characters, and having tried to play with Ness I can say that Lucas is better in so many ways. Then again, someone really good with Ness could beat me. There are just certain things about Lucas that I see as vast improvements over Ness, and those same things on Ness are anywhere from annoying to absolutely craptastic.

I wouldn't say vast improvements, because their whole playstyle is different. Lucas is MUCH easier to pick up, which is most likely why you think he is better. Yeah, tournament results are not concrete, but it gives you a good idea...

Wait...How is Dedede ANYTHING like Dr. Mario? :?

Ike vs. Roy...

Um. Roy/Marth's up-B is far different from Ike's. Ike's is purely vertical, it covers a lot more vertical ground than Roy's. Roy's though, can go a bit horizontal. And just look at Cruel Brawl/Melee. Using Roy'd the graphics because of Wind Waker, I forget if it was out when Melee came out, but it's out now. Well, that was a while ago, but still.

Snake was only put in because some people at Konami were begging for it. I doubt HAL/Nintendo/Sakurai/Whatever would put in another third-party character just like that.

Sonic was voted in by players, I'm pretty sure. Also a third-party character. They can't just put another one in, soon enough there'll be characters from a bunch of various random games and platforms. Ugh.

Peach and Yoshi...Are you serious? If you think they're useless, they're not. And if you take them out, other characters would just take their "useless" position and you'd want them taken out.

Wolf is quite different from Fox and Falco. I'd like to see Lenin play as Fox/Falco. I doubt he'd do as good as he does with Wolf.

If they ever make another Super Smash Bros. game, I hope they take the gameplay of Melee and mix it with the content of Brawl. Both are good games though, Brawl just needs a bit of getting used to.

(What exactly is the point of this topic...?)

Brawl just needs a bit of getting used to.

 

(What exactly is the point of this topic...?)

Lol. And this topic was made to compare "SSBB chars vs SSBM Chars(also inclds. how to unlock them)"

Um, I think Lucario replaced Mewtwo, not MK. Note the massive similarities between them.

Um, I think Lucario replaced Mewtwo, not MK. Note the massive similarities between them.

The only, and I mean only similarity is their nuetral b... and their appearance.

Um, I think Lucario replaced Mewtwo, not MK. Note the massive similarities between them.

 

 

 

The only, and I mean only similarity is their nuetral b... and their appearance.

side B is sort of similar, as is up-B, to a degree anyways. And the aura-psychic energy stuff. Still more similarities than Mewtwo and Meta Knight.

Lol, that was intentional. Just like the deletion of Wavedashing, l canceling, hit lag, ect. Tripping? Sakurai says he's against competetive brawling.

 

 

 

the whole reason why me and my friends logged hundreds of hours playing melee was because it was fastpaced. it was competitive. in brawl, i just leave my controller there while i go get food because i get so bored

 

 

 

even when i was new to Melee (didn't play the N64 either), i enjoyed getting my [wagon] kicked because the game was just too fun. I [bleep] hate Nintendo this generation because they're so eager to keep milking non-gamers.

Why is it that all your comments are always against the wii?

Read the last sentence. That's why.

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Lol, that was intentional. Just like the deletion of Wavedashing, l canceling, hit lag, ect. Tripping? Sakurai says he's against competetive brawling.

 

 

 

the whole reason why me and my friends logged hundreds of hours playing melee was because it was fastpaced. it was competitive. in brawl, i just leave my controller there while i go get food because i get so bored

 

 

 

even when i was new to Melee (didn't play the N64 either), i enjoyed getting my [wagon] kicked because the game was just too fun. I [bleep] hate Nintendo this generation because they're so eager to keep milking non-gamers.

 

 

 

Why is it that all your comments are always against the wii?

I have been asking that question for a loooong time. Just ignore em.[/hide]

Um, I think Lucario replaced Mewtwo, not MK. Note the massive similarities between them.

 

 

 

 

 

The only, and I mean only similarity is their nuetral b... and their appearance.

 

side B is sort of similar, as is up-B, to a degree anyways. And the aura-psychic energy stuff. Still more similarities than Mewtwo and Meta Knight.

Well, they are both psychic pokemon and are one of the best throwers in the game (Mewtwo was the best in my opinion.) This whole thread is full of yuck anyways... Pointless to be honest.

Not to be rude