issue on da Rune scimitar & Rune longsword(which 1 is be

as every1 noes ppl always hav Rune scimitars then Rune longswords.they got them at da start of RuneScape 2 cuz they were fastr.but ive always bin wit dat a Rune longsword is better, so 2day i hav finally proven it.here r da stats:

Rune longsword

Attack bonus|||Defence bonus

Stab: +38|||Stab: +0

Slash: +47 |||Slash: +3

Crush: -2|||Crush: +2

Magic: +0|||Magic: +0

Range: +0|||Range: +0

Other bonuses

Strength: +49|||Prayer: +0

Rune scimitar

Attack bonus|||Defence bonus

Stab: +7|||Stab: +0

Slash: +45 |||Slash: +1

Crush: -2|||Crush: +0

Magic: +0|||Magic: +0

Range: +0|||Range: +0

Other bonuses

Strength: +44|||Prayer: +0

Overall rating:(which is better?)

Attack bonus|||Defence bonus

Stab: Rune longsword|||Stab: equal

Slash: Rune longsword|||Slash: Rune longsword

Crush: equal|||Crush: Rune longsword

Magic: equal|||Magic: equal

Range: equal|||Range: equal

Other bonuses

Strength: Rune longsword|||Prayer: equal

so overall longswords r better then scimitars

How do you conclude that for training...PKing...dueling...speed etc?

LOL!

How do you conclude that for training...PKing...dueling...speed etc?

I know... speed is everything in weapons today. You haven't planned this out very well...

IMHO,

The rune longsword is slower then a scimmy.

The rune longsword hits more often than a scimmy

The rune longsword hits slightly harder than a scimmy.

For long term training I use the longsword.

For PKing/dueling the scimmy is probably better.

When I spend an evening killing moss giants I sometimes find

myself in competition with scimmy using players.

I almost always get the loot from the kill.

AFAIK, that means I did more damage than the scimmy guy.

We can solve this question if we collect all the information

The scimitar has a maximum attack bonus of +45 and a strengh bonus of +44, most people that have rune weapons train with a diamond amulet, and because it might help, we include the +6 bonus on attack and strenght making the scimitar +51 attack and +50 strenght,

The longsword has a natural attack bonus of +47 and a strenght bonus of +49, with amulet included, attack bonus +53 and strenght bonus +55

The scimitar hits one time in 2,5 seconds, the longsword hits one time in 3 seconds, so the longsword is 0.833... times faster then the scimitar while the scimitar is 1.2 times faster then the longsword

People with higher attack and strenght would have more benefit of a fast weapon, while people with lower attack and strenght would like a stronger and more accurate weapon more

But even with attack 0 and strenght 0 the difference between the longsword and scimitar in attack and strenght would be less then the difference in speed

You need at least 40 attack to wear rune and most people have their strenght at least equal to their attack, when you hit 50 in both skills the advantage of an increased attack and strenght bonus over scimitar is halved, and when you hit 99 in attack and strenght that advantage is halved again, so I would definetily say that the scimitar rules the longsword

And since there is no faster weapon then the scimitar, and the scimitar is the most accurate and most powerful of the fast weapons, the scimitar is unmatched by any other weapon of his same metal, and the rune scimitar the best weapon of f2p

...so I would definetily say that the scimitar rules the longsword...

It depends on how you intend to use it.

...And since there is no faster weapon then the scimitar, and the scimitar is the most accurate and most powerful of the fast weapons,

Among the fast weapons, yes.

But, compared to the slower weapons, it is less accurate and not as powerful.

...the scimitar is unmatched by any other weapon of his same metal, and the rune scimitar the best weapon of f2p

No.

You make many very good points but gloss over some other very important issues.

Suppose in a 15 second time period

I hit 5,0,7,0,0,8 with a scimmy (1 hit every 2.5 secs) and

I hit 3,5,0,2,10 with a longsword (1 hit every 3 secs)

Both weapons hit for 20 damage in 15 seconds.

Which is the better weapon based upon these results?

The bottom line is:

The scimmy is faster but weaker than the longsword.

The longsword is slower but stronger than the scimmy.

Also, consider this idea...

IMHO, Jagex realized that they made a mistake with the Rune 2 hander.

In RSC it was the only weapon to use.

The other melee weapons were not used nearly as much as the R2H.

In RS2 they wanted to fix that by offering different tradeoffs for the weapons.

Notice how the very fast F2P rune weapons are not as accurate nor hit as hard as the others?

The hardest hitting F2P rune weapons are also the slowest weapons.

Jagex wanted to move away from the "1 weapon is the best" mentality that was in RSC.

They did that by offering us a choice with no definite clear cut winner.

The best weapon to use now depends upon you own stats and how you intend to use it.

Sometimes that may be the scimmy, and sometimes not...

I base this on absolutely nothing

But I think that the scimmy is betta cos it is faster and does the same amount of damage...but it cant stab though so it aint good against chainbody

Wat the hell who kills guards when you level 73??

 

...so I would definetily say that the scimitar rules the longsword...

 

 

 

It depends on how you intend to use it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...And since there is no faster weapon then the scimitar, and the scimitar is the most accurate and most powerful of the fast weapons,

 

 

 

Among the fast weapons, yes.

 

 

 

But, compared to the slower weapons, it is less accurate and not as powerful.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...the scimitar is unmatched by any other weapon of his same metal, and the rune scimitar the best weapon of f2p

 

 

 

No.

 

 

 

You make many very good points but gloss over some other very important issues.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Suppose in a 15 second time period

 

 

 

I hit 5,0,7,0,0,8 with a scimmy (1 hit every 2.5 secs) and

 

 

 

I hit 3,5,0,2,10 with a longsword (1 hit every 3 secs)

 

 

 

Both weapons hit for 20 damage in 15 seconds.

 

 

 

Which is the better weapon based upon these results?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The bottom line is:

 

 

 

The scimmy is faster but weaker than the longsword.

 

 

 

The longsword is slower but stronger than the scimmy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, consider this idea...

 

 

 

IMHO, Jagex realized that they made a mistake with the Rune 2 hander.

 

 

 

In RSC it was the only weapon to use.

 

 

 

The other melee weapons were not used nearly as much as the R2H.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In RS2 they wanted to fix that by offering different tradeoffs for the weapons.

 

 

 

Notice how the very fast F2P rune weapons are not as accurate nor hit as hard as the others?

 

 

 

The hardest hitting F2P rune weapons are also the slowest weapons.

 

 

 

Jagex wanted to move away from the "1 weapon is the best" mentality that was in RSC.

 

 

 

They did that by offering us a choice with no definite clear cut winner.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The best weapon to use now depends upon you own stats and how you intend to use it.

 

 

 

Sometimes that may be the scimmy, and sometimes not...

The scimitar is better then the longsword, what you said how much the longsword and scimitar hits isn't logical, I've got a list of weapons maximum accuracy and strenght bonuses (included power amulet use)

That the best weapon isn't pickaxe, hatchet, dagger, unarmed attack, mace or shortsword is clear, so I don't mention those in my list

Scimitar +51 attack, +50 strenght, 2,5 seconds

2-handed +75 attack, +76 strenght, 4 seconds

Battleaxe +54 attack, +70 strenght, 3,5 seconds

Warhammer +59 attack, +54 strenght, 3,5 seconds

Long sword +53 attack, +55 strenght, 3 seconds

You can calculate the accuracy and power advantage of your weapon by the following formula (this is only reliable if you attack opponents of your own level, if you attack weaker opponents speed is slightly more important and if you attack harder opponents, accuracy and power (damage=accuracy x power) is slightly more important)

Also since I don't know the attack vs. defence formula this viewing point isn't 100% reliable, but I think when you have double the attack points against somebody, you have also double the accuracy (chance of a succesful hit)

The most accurate and powerful weapon will do the most damage each hit, the fastest will make more hits in a certain time, first you take the most damaging weapon, I will give an example, the longsword and the scimitar, since the longsword is more damaging I'll start with that

Your attack + Attack bonus most accurate weapon

/

Your attack + Attack bonus least accurate weapon

For example I have 50 attack and 50 strenght, a longsword gives +53 attack and +55 strenght, and a scimitar +51 attack and +50 strenght

(my attack) 50 + (longsword's attack bonus) 53=103

/

(my attack) 50 + (scimitar's attack bonus) 51=101

103/101= (approx) 1.02

So the longsword has a 1.02 multiplier in accuracy compared to the scimitar

Now the strenght difference

Your strenght + Strenght bonus most powerful weapon

/

Your strenght + Strenght bonus least powerful weapon

So here's the example again

(my strenght) 50 + (longsword's strenght bonus) 55=105

/

(my strenght) 50 + (scimitar's strenght bonus) 50=100

105/100=1.05

So the longsword has both an accuracy and a strenght advantage, the accuracy multiplier of the longsword compared to the scimitar is 1.02, the strenght multiplier of the longsword compared to the scimitar is 1.05

The damage multiplier is equal to the accuracy multiplier x strenght modifier, because look at the following

You can hit 10 damage per blow with each 10 points of strenght, your chance of succesful hit is X attack x 5%

Somebody with 10 strenght and 10 attack hits 0,10 in two blows

With double the attack he hits 10,10 and with double strenght 0,20, thats double as much as with normal strenght and attack, but with 20 strenght, and 20 attack he hits 20,20 and that 4x as much, so you multiply the attack multiplier, with the strenght multiplier

At the example that would be multiplier 2 x multiplier 2 = multiplier 4

In our other example, when we look at the longsword vs. the scimitar we see that the longsword has an attack multiplier of 1.02 and strenght multiplier of 1.05

The damage multiplier is 1.02 x 1.05 = (approx) 1.07

Then we look at the advantage of the scimitar, speed, we'll see if the speed advantage is better or less good then the damage advantage of the longsword

You can see the speed multiplier by this formula

Speed fastest weapon / Speed slowest weapon

Back to our example,

3 / 2.5 = 1.2,

This means a scimitar deals 1.2 as much hits in a certain time then a longsword, but a longsword deals 1.07 as much damage in one hit

In this example, somebody with strenght 50 and attack 50 and a scimitar deals an average of 10 damage in one hit, and both may hit for 15 seconds

Damage dealt scimitar, 15 / 2,5 = 6 hits, and because each hit deals an average of 10 damage, it deals 60 damage on average in 15 seconds

Damage dealt longsword, 15 / 3 = 5 hits, and because each hit deals an average of 10.7 damage (multiplier of 1.07 on damage versus the scimitar), so it deals 53.5 damage in 15 seconds

Note that these last two examples don't match with the real damage done with somebody with strenght 50, attack 50 and a longsword or a scimitar, also this is for somebody with 50 strenght and 50 attack, somebody with 1 attack and 1 strenght would find more advantage in a higher damage multiplier (but even at 0 strenght and 0 attack, a scimitar would still deal more damage in a certain time compared to a longsword

If you use the formulas above you can see which weapon is best suited for your strenght and attack

I've also found out that if you haven't got much attack and strenght, the rune 2-handed is even better then the scimitar, but when you hit 44 attack and 44 strenght a scimitar is of a better use, but when you are 43 attack and 43 strenght or even lower, you will deal more damage in a certain time with a 2-handed sword then with a scimitar

 

...Suppose in a 15 second time period

 

 

 

I hit 5,0,7,0,0,8 with a scimmy (1 hit every 2.5 secs) and

 

 

 

I hit 3,5,0,2,10 with a longsword (1 hit every 3 secs)

 

 

 

Both weapons hit for 20 damage in 15 seconds.

 

 

 

Which is the better weapon based upon these results?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The scimitar is better then the longsword, what you said how much the longsword and scimitar hits isn't logical,...

Sigh...I guess you missed this little part...

...Suppose...

I was trying to highlight the speed & damage performance of both to show

that faster and or stronger doesn't automatically mean better.

It's not about "logic", it's about observing the difference in the performance between the 2 weapons.

... (this is only reliable if you attack opponents of your own level, if you attack

 

 

 

weaker opponents speed is slightly more important and if you attack harder opponents,...

It sounds like you are saying

...It depends on how you intend to use it...

:wink:

...The most accurate and powerful weapon will do the most damage each hit,

On average, yes.

...the fastest will make more hits in a certain time,

No

The fastest weapon will attempt to make a successfull hit more quickly but that doesn't mean it actually will.

Jagex designed the RS2 F2P weapons to have a speed vs accuracy/strength tradeoff

How many players PK with daggers? Why?

How many players PK with the R2H? Why?

Also, the fighting style that you use also plays an important role.

If you want to raise Attack, Strength, and Defense at the same time

then the scimmy and longsword are probably your best choice.

But if you're are fighting chain mail opponents then the long sword is probably best.

If you are fighting robe wearing wizards then the scimmy is probably your best choice.

If you are using prayer to help then maybe the mace is the best choice.

The above are all some of the reasons why I said

...The best weapon to use now depends upon you own stats and how you intend to use it.

...Then we look at the advantage of the scimitar, speed, we'll see if the speed advantage

 

 

 

is better or less good then the damage advantage of the longsword...

Do you work for Jagex?

Do you have inside information about the detailed combat calculations?

You are assuming that you have a good understanding of the formulas that Jagex uses for the combat calculations.

But it's all really just suppositions and logical guesswork. We really don't know all of the details.

Now if you gathered some combat statistics on hit attempts, hit damage, fighting style, monster level, etc

then we could draw some conclusions based upon real performance and not on suppositions.

Until that is done, these sorts of threads tend to go on and on and on

with posters pushing for their favorite weapon with no definite conclusion reached.

ok every1.......ive read everything here & it looks like da Rune longsword is equal 2 da Rune scimitar(on opinions)so wut da truth is dat da Rune longsword is better & stronger then da Rune scimmy but da Rune scimitar is faster then da Rune longsword.so it wuld b best 2 use da Rune scimitar in da wilderness & use da Rune longsword 4 trainin.still aftr a cupl of hits da hit will equal out so both r pretty much equal.ppl just chose da Rune scimitar cuz its fastr......so aftr a cupl of hits da Rune scimitar will hav hit like 6 times already while da Rune longsword,being slowr,will hav only hit like only 5 times.but da Rune longsword is stronger so its equal i guess.ok & ty every1 4 replyn 2 my topic!!!!i really appreciate it!!!

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There is also this thread on the subject...

http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=258583

Dis is da runescape discussionz not da recruitment bored

:?

 

 

...Suppose in a 15 second time period

 

 

 

I hit 5,0,7,0,0,8 with a scimmy (1 hit every 2.5 secs) and

 

 

 

I hit 3,5,0,2,10 with a longsword (1 hit every 3 secs)

 

 

 

Both weapons hit for 20 damage in 15 seconds.

 

 

 

Which is the better weapon based upon these results?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The scimitar is better then the longsword, what you said how much the longsword and scimitar hits isn't logical,...

 

 

 

Sigh...I guess you missed this little part...

 

 

 

...Suppose...

 

 

 

I was trying to highlight the speed & damage performance of both to show

 

 

 

that faster and or stronger doesn't automatically mean better.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not about "logic", it's about observing the difference in the performance between the 2 weapons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When you roll a dice 100 times its avergae roll doens't have to be between 3 and 4, when you know the facts you can easily calculate which is better, and the scimitar is, in this way I've also notcied that the whip is the best weapon currently, it's all about the numbers

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

... (this is only reliable if you attack opponents of your own level, if you attack

 

 

 

weaker opponents speed is slightly more important and if you attack harder opponents,...

 

 

 

It sounds like you are saying

 

 

 

...It depends on how you intend to use it...

 

 

 

:wink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even that accuracy and power are more important against harder opponents, the scimitar is still better then the longsword

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...The most accurate and powerful weapon will do the most damage each hit,

 

 

 

On average, yes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...the fastest will make more hits in a certain time,

 

 

 

No

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The fastest weapon will attempt to make a successfull hit more quickly but that doesn't mean it actually will.

 

 

 

Jagex designed the RS2 F2P weapons to have a speed vs accuracy/strength tradeoff

 

 

 

How many players PK with daggers? Why?

 

 

 

How many players PK with the R2H? Why?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With the fastest makes more hits in a certain time I mean hit attempts, each hit attempt a longsword has a tiny higher chance of hitting succesfully, but a scimitar has 1.2 times more hit attempts in a certain time, by the way nobody PKs with daggers, because daggers are underpowered, they have exactly the same speed of a scimitar but are almost half as accurate and powerful, and the r2h is a good weapon, even though its slow speed, when you have 43 attack and strenght or below, the r2h is better then the scimitar, but more experienced players find the scimitar more useful

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, the fighting style that you use also plays an important role.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you want to raise Attack, Strength, and Defense at the same time

 

 

 

then the scimmy and longsword are probably your best choice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But if you're are fighting chain mail opponents then the long sword is probably best.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you are fighting robe wearing wizards then the scimmy is probably your best choice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you are using prayer to help then maybe the mace is the best choice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The above are all some of the reasons why I said

 

 

 

...The best weapon to use now depends upon you own stats and how you intend to use it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...Then we look at the advantage of the scimitar, speed, we'll see if the speed advantage

 

 

 

is better or less good then the damage advantage of the longsword...

 

 

 

Do you work for Jagex?

 

 

 

Do you have inside information about the detailed combat calculations?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You are assuming that you have a good understanding of the formulas that Jagex uses for the combat calculations.

 

 

 

But it's all really just suppositions and logical guesswork. We really don't know all of the details.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now if you gathered some combat statistics on hit attempts, hit damage, fighting style, monster level, etc

 

 

 

then we could draw some conclusions based upon real performance and not on suppositions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Until that is done, these sorts of threads tend to go on and on and on

 

 

 

with posters pushing for their favorite weapon with no definite conclusion reached.

I know the exact weapon stats, I know that if you have twice the strenght, you will deal twice the damage, the only thing that I don't know, and that doesn't make it 100% reliable, is if you have got twice the attack, do you get twice as much accuracy? (succesful hits)

And seeing answers like this, you hardly know the stats of these weapons: I hit 5,0,7,0,0,8 with a scimmy (1 hit every 2.5 secs) and

I hit 3,5,0,2,10 with a longsword (1 hit every 3 secs)

Both weapons hit for 20 damage in 15 seconds.

Oh, and the stab style of a longsword isn't good at all, the chain gives 9 more defence to stab attacks then to slash attacks, and the stab style of a rune longsword is 9 points less accurate then the slash style, so the chance of a succesful hit against a rune chain when using a rune longsword is equal on both attacks

...When you roll a dice 100 times its avergae roll doens't have to be between 3 and 4,

 

 

 

when you know the facts you can easily calculate which is better, and the scimitar is,...

Sigh, it depends on who your opponent is and what their defenses are.

You don't appear to believe me so read what Jagex says about it...

Behind the Scenes RS2 Combat system explained 24-Nov-2003

 

 

 

... We felt that the RuneScape 1 combat system didn't make the best use of all the skills and items which are available in the game. Basically there just wasn't enough variety in the weapons and in the playing styles that were effecitve...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We noticed that most players only used a small range of weapons, mostly 2-Handed Swords and Battleaxes, which is pretty poor considering the range of weapons available. We wanted all the weapons in RuneScape 2 to be useful so, as you may already know, we've introduced new resistances! You will now find that you have Stab, Slash, Crush, Ranged, and Magic Defence & Attack stats on all your armour and weapons. The defence stats work like a bonus to your defence against the different attack types. So for instance, if you are attacked by someone wielding a Warhammer, an obvious Crush type weapon, then your armours Crush defence will be used to resist the attack. You will also find that you have several attack styles you can use with each weapon, with some weapons this even allows you to change the damage type of your attack. For instance Long Swords are good Slash type weapons, however with theclick of a button you can change your attack to a Stab type. This allows for much more tactical combat,...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Along with all the other changes we've been making combat will now be a much more interesting and involved part of the game. With a much greater range of tactics and options open to you, and to your opponents, we hope it will bring more excitement into the game,...

Jagex's intent is to clearly not provide a single "best" weapon as was done in RSC with the R2H.

Even that accuracy and power are more important against harder opponents, the scimitar is still better then the longsword

Gather some statistics to prove your point if you really want to be convincing.

BYW, my question about the dagger and 2H was designed to highlight

the fact the speed and power are not all that matters.

So, I'm glad that we agree on that at least.

...Then we look at the advantage of the scimitar, speed, we'll see if the speed advantage

 

 

 

is better or less good then the damage advantage of the longsword...

Prove it using data from real world fights.

...Oh, and the stab style of a longsword isn't good at all, the chain gives 9 more defence to stab attacks then to slash attacks,

No

Chain defense is 9 weaker in stab defense than in slash defense.

In this entire discussion you keep repeating your claim over and over again that

"...the scimitar is still better then the longsword..." with no qualifiers at all.

Suppose that I want to train to raise all of my stats at the same time so I must fight in "controlled" mode.

Suppose also that I want to train on the chain mail wearing guards around Varrock or Falador because they are easy and plentiful.

Now which weapon, the scimitar or the longsword, should I use to fight these guys given that I must fight in a "controlled" style?

Why?

Jagex made less difference, but still one is slightly better then the other

And I said it wrong about the chain's defence, I meant that a chain has got 9 less defence against stab, but a longsword gives 9 less attack bonus for stab attacks compared to slash attacks, so it still makes no difference

Jagex made less difference, but still one is slightly better then the other

I think that everyone agrees that the scimitar and longsword are very good F2P weapons.

However, I think that many of us need to be shown that the scimitar is the best weapon

for all opponents under all fighting styles under all circumstances.

Remember, you have never made any restrictions or qualifications

at all about the scimitar being the best weapon.

Your position has always been very consistant

... the scimitar is still better than the longsword...

My position has always been

"...it depends on who your opponent is and what there defenses are."

and

"...The best weapon to use depends upon you own stats and how you intend to use it"

...so it still makes no difference

The way to prove your point is to gather data when fighting in different styles

against different opponents and record the results of each hit attempt.

With complete data, there won't be much to argue about, because then we'll know for certain...

 

...Then we look at the advantage of the scimitar, speed, we'll see if the speed advantage

 

 

 

is better or less good then the damage advantage of the longsword...

 

 

 

Prove it using data from real world fights.

That is impossible. In a real-world fight, it's not about the weapon but the user's skill with the weapon. Here are the facts for each weapon.

LONGSWORD

Pro:

- Longer reach by about a foot

- Can be used to pierce

- Heavier pommel, can be used when inside the opponent's reach

- Easier to defend with due to a straight, constant blade

Con:

- Not as good as a dagger or rapier in piercing

- Longer reach makes it a little more cumbersome

SCIMITAR

Pro:

- Smaller, thus more maneouverable

- Curve allows you to focus kinetic energy on the point of impact

- Can be used to pierce

Con:

- Not as good as a dagger or rapier in piercing

- Smaller size makes the reach shorter

- Smaller size makes it easier to disarm or damage with a heavier weapon (such as a longsword)

CONTEXTUAL

- Scimitars were often used from horseback in Asia Minor, while the saber, a heavier mix of a longsword and a scimitar, was used in Europe

- Scimitars are often used without a shield or heavy armour, in order to maximise mobility

- In contrast, longswords were often used with shields or heavy armour, to emphasize the defensiveness of the weapon and to make use of the sword's reach while mitigating the enemy's

- Longswords were more readily available, due to the availability of raw materials and skilled labour. Note that "readily available" only applied to people who could afford it

- Back to combat, the areas in which scimitars were used did not lend themselves to heavy cavalry or armoured infantry. Thus, it was more efficient to use a light weapon that could deal damage from its design rather than its weight. In places where longswords were more common, cavalry and infantry were significantly heavier and better protected, thus necessitating a heavier blade

Going by these points, the longsword and scimitar are roughly on the same level as each other. I don't see why the speeds should differ, because weapon balance is the only factor besides the wielder's strength that should affect attack speed. A greatsword can attack as quickly as a longsword in the right hands, and daggers are the thinking man's weapon, rather than a machinegun-jabbing piece of steel.

 

Prove it using data from real world fights.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is impossible. In a real-world fight, it's not about the weapon but the user's skill with the weapon.

Sigh...

OK, I should have said,

"Prove it by analyzing the data from many Runescape fights using both weapons"

...Here are the facts for each weapon...

Very nice summary of the swords.

Kinda irrelevant though since we are talking about virtual weapons in a virtual world. :roll:

OK, picking up Warp_Blade's post from the General forum...

1) The "facts" regarding the swords performance are determined by the

attack numbers for the various fighting styles.

Those numbers determine how effective the weapon can be in an encounter.

Why do you think these numbers are "fancy"

and why do you think that anyone would be impressed by looking them up?

2) I agree

3) Look at the stab attack number for the scimitar and for the longsword.

Would sword would you rather use against a chain mail enemy? Why?

4) I agree

5) ?

Each weapon has a Stab, Slash, and Crush strength/attack value.

Each piece of armor has a Stab, Slash, and Crush defense value.

What do you think the "interaction" between these 2 values should be called?

In RSC it was called "Accuracy"

I suppose that you could also call it, hmmm, "potential battle effectiveness"?

Nah, let's just stick with the RSC nomenclature.

ok i havent read most of the previous posts cuz i cant be bothered but i want to point out one major thing.

The difference between the scims and the longs primary attack.

Scim is +45

Long is +47

the defense of armor is directly proportional to the attack of a weapon, so the difference between a scim and a long is like the different between your opponent wearing and not wearing boots... it doesnt make a difference.

I know my system isn't 100% reliable, but the fact that a scimitar is 20% faster and a longsword has 10% more accuracy and power, even to somebody with 0 strenght and 0 attack, even if my system would be very unreliable (maybe it is) the longsword still doesn't match up to the scimitar, in any conditions

And the stab attack of a scimitar is very low, and the stab attack of a longsword is higher, but who would use stab attack? It has lowered accuracy anyway, you don't get more accuracy when using a stab attack in any condition

But if the longsword is your favored weapon, it is

Do me a favour, okay? First of all, DO YOUR RESEARCH properly before you come on here and make yourself look like an idiot. Secondly, LEARN TO SPELL. Honestly, how am I supposed to take you seriously if you sound like an 8 year old non-English speaker typing away at a computer screen?

*walks off laughing*

"An den we went 2 da da da stor 2 git sum1 sum" blah blah blah...

 

 

 

so overall longswords r better then scimitars

Thats liek saying a maul's faster than a whip...

 

 

 

 

so overall longswords r better then scimitars

 

 

 

Thats liek saying a maul's faster than a whip...

no, thats not what he's saying. It's his interpretation of the data.

What i gather from the data gathered is that neither weapon has a easily detirmined advantage over the other. The primary difference between the two is that the longsword is a more flexible weapon, making it more likely that you have something your opponent is weaker to. With the scimitar, all you can do is slash,slash,slash, and hope for some good hits. The rs combat system currently does not allow for anything more complicated to really bring out the differences between the two weapons.