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[Grimy_Bunyip]

SirIzenhime, on 03 November 2010 - 06:43 AM, said:

Got from an Ectomage (level 77)
Holds 7 airs 1 death 1 blood per charge

-snip-



I'm happy.

So it IS an ammo slot item. That seals the deal, definitely worth having a few team members with these boxes.
Should speed up occults a good deal, because of fire giants, demons, and of course warriors are weak to magic.

[SirIzenhime]

Grimy_Bunyip, on 03 November 2010 - 07:30 AM, said:

SirIzenhime, on 03 November 2010 - 06:43 AM, said:

Got from an Ectomage (level 77)
Holds 7 airs 1 death 1 blood per charge

-snip-



I'm happy.

So it IS an ammo slot item. That seals the deal, definitely worth having a few team members with these boxes.
Should speed up occults a good deal, because of fire giants, demons, and of course warriors are weak to magic.

Might need a couple more tests to be 100% A friend of mine said that he wasn't able to Bind a new Armor/weapon when he had this binded. We'll see what happens I guess when i get a Primal body from Dreadnaut.

I REALLY hope it was intended to only be ammo.

[ExitReality]

So if you put extra charges in it they don't go away the next floor? So I could put a few hundred charges in and keep them.

[theotherscaper]

SirIzenhime, on 03 November 2010 - 07:32 AM, said:

Grimy_Bunyip, on 03 November 2010 - 07:30 AM, said:

SirIzenhime, on 03 November 2010 - 06:43 AM, said:

Got from an Ectomage (level 77)
Holds 7 airs 1 death 1 blood per charge

-snip-



I'm happy.

So it IS an ammo slot item. That seals the deal, definitely worth having a few team members with these boxes.
Should speed up occults a good deal, because of fire giants, demons, and of course warriors are weak to magic.

Might need a couple more tests to be 100% A friend of mine said that he wasn't able to Bind a new Armor/weapon when he had this binded. We'll see what happens I guess when i get a Primal body from Dreadnaut.

I REALLY hope it was intended to only be ammo.

Just so you know, I tried to bind it as ammo and it worked. But if you unbind a non-ammo slot, like your armour or weapon after you have the surgebox, the surgebox will count as both an ammo and armour/weapons slot. You cannot bind a new weapon/armour slot after you get this surgebox.

[xpx]

theotherscaper, on 03 November 2010 - 07:52 AM, said:

Just so you know, I tried to bind it as ammo and it worked. But if you unbind a non-ammo slot, like your armour or weapon after you have the surgebox, the surgebox will count as both an ammo and armour/weapons slot. You cannot bind a new weapon/armour slot after you get this surgebox.

I don't see that being a big problem- they are dropped by celestial mages, from whom, even if it's a rare drop(~1/30), you are bound to get one per large dungeon.

I see the surgebox being much better in daemonheim than anywhere else, and the question now becomes- which is best, sagit(p++), laws or the surgebox? Not an easy choice, really.
Also, how much mage attack bonus would you need to not miss too much on forgotten warriors- the surgebox+hood are +13, with sagit body/prim chain it's -2, -17 with prim plate...

[Quyneax]

I don't know the answer for random teams, but I guess you'll want something like 3 surgebox 2 arrows in a perm team. C1s are faster with laws, sure, but I think that's compensated for easily.

Also, celestial catalytic + strong mage pot = 1.3*1.75 = 2.275 times damage, or a max over 600 with fire surge, +50% if blazer activates.

[Obtaurian]

I don't think magic potions work the same way in Daemonheim. They don't give a damage boost. I was only half right.

[xpx]

Quyneax, on 03 November 2010 - 08:42 AM, said:

I don't know the answer for random teams, but I guess you'll want something like 3 surgebox 2 arrows in a perm team. C1s are faster with laws, sure, but I think that's compensated for easily.

Also, celestial catalytic + strong mage pot = 1.3*1.75 = 2.275 times damage, or a max over 600 with fire surge, +50% if blazer activates.

Magic boosts work differently in daemonheim than they do in normal runescape- it's 1% per level.

[Quyneax]

xpx, on 03 November 2010 - 08:53 AM, said:

Quyneax, on 03 November 2010 - 08:42 AM, said:

I don't know the answer for random teams, but I guess you'll want something like 3 surgebox 2 arrows in a perm team. C1s are faster with laws, sure, but I think that's compensated for easily.

Also, celestial catalytic + strong mage pot = 1.3*1.75 = 2.275 times damage, or a max over 600 with fire surge, +50% if blazer activates.

Magic boosts work differently in daemonheim than they do in normal runescape- it's 1% per level.

Ah, as it should be. Still a pity, but ok.

[Elf Spice]

Does the surgebox work with Tank Class? If so, it would be better for keyers than novite kite/anti drag shield.
Not sure if it explicitly counts as a shield.

[Quyneax]

Impressionist, on 03 November 2010 - 09:09 AM, said:

Does the surgebox work with Tank Class? If so, it would be better for keyers than novite kite/anti drag shield.
Not sure if it explicitly counts as a shield.

I've wondered about flameburst as well.

[Pinata]

I want this! I got 125 blood runes bounded. lol

[bedman]

I found a surge box, what should I do now? Bind it, fill it first, or ...

[Boeg3]

I have a quetion that havent gotten completly answered
say you have a surge box with 200 charges, and use them all - do yo start the next dung with 200 charges or 125???

at thesame time, if you put in 1k charges, and doesnt use them, you start next dung with 1k it seems..
but if you use down t 800, do you start next dung with 800 or 1k charges (basically same question twice)

[xpx]

Boeg3, on 03 November 2010 - 11:52 AM, said:

I have a quetion that havent gotten completly answered
say you have a surge box with 200 charges, and use them all - do yo start the next dung with 200 charges or 125???

at thesame time, if you put in 1k charges, and doesnt use them, you start next dung with 1k it seems..
but if you use down t 800, do you start next dung with 800 or 1k charges (basically same question twice)

As far as i've heard, the charges work like any other ammo bind- you can bind however many you want, but if it's above 125, you will have 125 at the start of any dungeon. 125 wind surges seems more than enough, though it's a pity you have to make fires/staff for fire surge.

[BeNiceOk]

xpx, on 03 November 2010 - 12:08 PM, said:

Boeg3, on 03 November 2010 - 11:52 AM, said:

I have a quetion that havent gotten completly answered
say you have a surge box with 200 charges, and use them all - do yo start the next dung with 200 charges or 125???

at thesame time, if you put in 1k charges, and doesnt use them, you start next dung with 1k it seems..
but if you use down t 800, do you start next dung with 800 or 1k charges (basically same question twice)

As far as i've heard, the charges work like any other ammo bind- you can bind however many you want, but if it's above 125, you will have 125 at the start of any dungeon. 125 wind surges seems more than enough, though it's a pity you have to make fires/staff for fire surge.

Fire staff isn't to hard to get though. Blood spindle branches, which are about 2k each from the shop, make a basic fire staff. Sure its not 10% damage, but it should be easy to pick one up with left over cash selling items at the start of the round.

When we get another one as a drop, I'll see if I can rebind my sword with the box to have 2 items + the box as ammo. If that works, it might even be a better idea to put a cel cat staff with it for 30% damage with 125 casts to start. All you would have to make is fire runes. The major question would be, once the box is binded with 2 items binded, if one bind is broken does the box recount as 1 item and ammo again. If so, then you would have to get a box drop on the same floor as the other item you wanted to bind.

[bedman]

Grr, I found this surge box first, charged it and binded it, and in the same dungeon I finally find a precious hood and somehow I had to destroy the surgebox to be able to bind the hood. Off to find another surgebox

[Ardzik]

You can also craft fire runes its easier that switch between your main weapon and staff. So its coniformed that celestal mages drop those boxes, right ?

[ExitReality]

Just got 100 DG and had to destroy my surgebox to bind a prom plate.  Sucks that if I find another one before I get a primal plate I'm going to have to destroy it again >.>

[xpx]

I don't understand why binding the surgebox is such a big problem- it's dropped by one of the most common monsters in daemonheim, and all implications are that it's not even rare. Having to rebind one after 100 dg and 120 dg shouldn't at all be anything major. From what i've heard, it's much easier to replace a surgebox than a primal bind(prim plate or baxe, for example).