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The Runescape community seems pretty united against the recent SoF update, introducing RWTing/gambling into the game.

I've set up a petition on Change.org for Runescape players to campaign against Insight Venture Partners and their destructive influence over Runescape.

Full petition explanation of why it is important beneath:

This petition represents a stand to support the fair principle of People before Profit in the face of a company concerned only with the gathering of wealth rather than upholding the basic principle of putting the concerns of the consumers before the numbers on a piece of paper. By doing this with such a popular game, Insight Venture Partners are also exposing vast numbers of children to this damaging philosophy.

Insight Venture Partners became majority shareholders of the game-developing company Jagex, creators of Runescape, in December 2010, the same time that the Founder of the game, Andrew Gower, left the company.

Prior to 2011, Jagex had strived to maintain an excellent game that put the players before anything else. Whilst some difficult decisions were taken, which provoked criticism at the time, the community regarded Jagex, and its founders, the Gower brothers, as genuinely concerned with, first and foremost, providing a game where the players were the top priority.

The management regularly posted 'News' messages on the site reminding players that a player's success in Runescape was never intended to have any relation to their wealth outside of the game. In 2003/4, they even went so far as to say "We don't want rich players to be able to simply buy their way to the top. This is clearly not how the game is meant to be played.". In addition to this, until the 5th of April 2012, the Rules of Runescape included a section enshrining this principle.

On the 2nd of April 2012, Jagex unveiled an update that changed the ethos of the game entirely. Players could now buy 'spins' on the 'Squeal of Fortune', an in-game activity that 'rewards' players with in-game money, items, or Experience Points. Upon release, and at the time that this petition was created, the method used to purchase spins used existing credit card data linked to that account, allowing hackers to spend a player's real-world money without entering any new credit card details, information, or passwords. The act itself has, by some, been criticised as being gambling. Since the game has no lower age limit, if this is the case, it is liable to break gambling laws in numerous countries.

Ignoring any security or legal issues with the update, it still goes fundamentally against the ethos that the game had upheld until the point when it was introduced. The Rules of the game were changed on the 5th of April 2012; it became official policy that, should one have wealth in the real world, one could use that to pave one's way in the Runescape world, so long as they did so via Jagex, and not a 3rd-party.

To some, this issue may seem minor, but to the playerbase, some of whom have stuck by the game for the past ten years, this represents a massive power-shift away from the players, and towards the shareholders, Insight Venture Partners. The very purpose of the game seems to have shifted, from being a fun game for all the family, to a cash-cow that seems to encourage gambling by those of all ages and milks players wishing to have any chance at being competitive within the game.

Uproar ensued on the official Forums of Runescape from the moment the update was announced, and Jagex have now taken to censoring many posts on the matter, hiding over half of the threads on some pages of the Forums. This action is unprecedented, and shows a desperate company trying to silence those who disagree with it. This update united the playerbase in opposition to the practices of Insight Venture Partners in how they have derailed the game from the fair principle of Players before Profit and exposed adults and children alike to the dark side of capitalism, where money comes before values.

If enough players, concerned parents and advocates for people before profit stand together, we can stop Insight Venture Partners from undermining the consumers like so many other companies.

This petition represents more than just a stand against Insight Venture Partners' actions; it symbolises the very principle of putting people before profit. We, the majority, can and will be heard.

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Link to petition here.

Edited by Drasnian Elf, 08 April 2012 - 08:38 PM.
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Please advertise this as much as you can, and spread the word to your Clan/Community etc. if you support!

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Sorry, I'm not entering my full name and address into a website I'm not buying something from.

You make it sound like running through a few level 87 monsters is hard which it really shouldn't be at your level.



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Sorry, I'm not entering my full name and address into a website I'm not buying something from.


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That is, of course, your choice, but Change.org is a trusted petitioning website with millions of active members. It would be rather difficult to find a more widely used petitioning website.

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That is, of course, your choice, but Change.org is a trusted petitioning website with millions of active members. It would be rather difficult to find a more widely used petitioning website.


Which just means a ton of people are going to have their personal information needlessly made public if the site ever gets compromised.

You make it sound like running through a few level 87 monsters is hard which it really shouldn't be at your level.



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Which just means a ton of people are going to have their personal information needlessly made public if the site ever gets compromised.


If that's the way you wish to see it, but that's an extremely cynical view, IMO. If you are concerned about that, then you certainly wouldn't be the first to simply use their RS name and incorrect address, if you chose that path.

Now, can we keep it to discussion of the principles of the petition, please?

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The petition isn't going to change anything at all.
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The petition isn't going to change anything at all.


Nor will doing nothing, but would you rather roll over and let IVP tickle your tummy? It does no harm to protest against something and if everyone had the defeatist attitude of 'it won't change anything', then exactly that would happen. Clinging on to the hope that it could, just could, do something, is the only way for it to ever happen.

Whilst I'm hardly comparing our plight with the Arab Spring, if those involved had the attitude that they could do nothing, then yes, nothing would have changed. They didn't, though, and good on them. Why doesn't the Runescape community follow in the footsteps of all those who've fought for something they believe in?

I'm not saying that I expect this petition to make a difference, but hey, it just might, and it's certainly more likely than if we didn't do anything.

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Which just means a ton of people are going to have their personal information needlessly made public if the site ever gets compromised.


If that's the way you wish to see it, but that's an extremely cynical view, IMO. If you are concerned about that, then you certainly wouldn't be the first to simply use their RS name and incorrect address, if you chose that path.

Now, can we keep it to discussion of the principles of the petition, please?


It may be cynical but it is also perfectly logical. They are not a payment processor so they do not have to follow the strict security restrictions of PCI and therefore are not liable at all if their database is breached, which in the modern age is not too uncommon to assume it won't happen to changes.org, in fact I would think changes.org is a massive target for groups who want to discover information about the people petitioning against them.


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QFC: 15-16-361-63671263 This thread and the previous in the series by the same poster is a petition that might actually have an effect.

You make it sound like running through a few level 87 monsters is hard which it really shouldn't be at your level.



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It may be cynical but it is also perfectly logical. They are not a payment processor so they do not have to follow the strict security restrictions of PCI and therefore are not liable at all if their database is breached, which in the modern age is not too uncommon to assume it won't happen to changes.org, in fact I would think changes.org is a massive target for groups who want to discover information about the people petitioning against them.


Which does not mean to say that you can't, as I previously suggested, use your RS char's name etc.; for the purposes of this petition, it seems perfectly logical, too.

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What concerns me more is that your petition severely understates the increased amount of security risks Jagex has taken on since 2009/2010. If people have to adapt to something, OH LAWDY NO! But if people are putting their personal information at risk, they'll take a big bite into that shit-flavored pie and happily ask for another.

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Of all the petitions I've ever signed, including government ones, I've never needed more than an email address. Asking for a full address is ridiculous, there are plenty of other well know petition sites that don't ask for such details.

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What concerns me more is that your petition severely understates the increased amount of security risks Jagex has taken on since 2009/2010. If people have to adapt to something, OH LAWDY NO! But if people are putting their personal information at risk, they'll take a big bite into that shit-flavored pie and happily ask for another.


I do touch on the security issues raised by the SoF update in the petition, but yes, you are right, and I invite you to sign it and cite those reasons as an additional reason to sign it on the website.

I think you're understating the difference that SoF will make to the game, though; it isn't simply a case of 'adapting to something'. Runescape has, for years, shunned the thought of introducing microtransactions and allowing players' IRL wealth directly affect the state of their character (heck, it was even in the Rules until the 5th of April) and this is a complete U-turn on everything that the company has seemed to stand for. It's not just some minor change that people will get over; it fundamentally alters the ethos of the game.

Of all the petitions I've ever signed, including government ones, I've never needed more than an email address. Asking for a full address is ridiculous, there are plenty of other well know petition sites that don't ask for such details.


Whilst it asks for it, it is not checked and many people enter a 'fake' address/enter words such as 'Secret'.

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The petition isn't going to change anything at all.

This. A petition against a company does nothing. Boycotting their product, or hurting their bottom line in some significant way, does.

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This. A petition against a company does nothing. Boycotting their product, or hurting their bottom line in some significant way, does.


My membership ends on the 10th and will not be renewed, but that does not mean that one can not do more than simply that.

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This. A petition against a company does nothing. Boycotting their product, or hurting their bottom line in some significant way, does.


My membership ends on the 10th and will not be renewed, but that does not mean that one can not do more than simply that.


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1 million+ bot memberships lost didn't make Jagex bat an eye. Nothing less than a violent standoff will change anything.
And if I remember correctly, Insight owns over 51% of the stock. They can close the game today if they wanted to. And they could just as easily get new, naiive players.

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This. A petition against a company does nothing. Boycotting their product, or hurting their bottom line in some significant way, does.


My membership ends on the 10th and will not be renewed, but that does not mean that one can not do more than simply that.

Sure, you "can" do more. I just hold that it will be ineffective. No impact=no reason to do it.

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Sure, you "can" do more. I just hold that it will be ineffective. No impact=no reason to do it.


I don't disagree that it will probably be ineffective, but doing nothing would guarantee that nothing happens. If you believe that there's no reason to do it, then, certainly, there'll be no impact.

If you believe strongly enough in a reason to do it, though, and can convince others of that (which, I admit, I seem to be failing to do on this particular Forum), then there's a chance of there being an impact, though.

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I signed it with my rs name.

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