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What exactly is wrong with wiretapping? When has there been an abuse in recent times?

I like that logic. We have terrible intel agencies so we shouldn't allow them to wiretap. 9/11 could have been prevented if Clinton hadn't gutted the FBI and CIA. I usually don't like to second guess but Louis Freeh really messed up the FBI.

^^ Office space? :thumbsup:

Or they could be planning to blow up the Golden Gate Bridge.

Thats enough for me. What would someone be doing calling a suspected terrorist?

They still need warrants to search a house and can only wiretap calls overseas to a suspected member of Al Qaida.

How has President Bush used the PATRIOT act or the Protect America act to gain personal wealth? They don't need evidence... Where do you draw the line with what you don't mind the government doing? What happens when it finally effects you? It might start by slowly inconveniencing you, but what's going to stop government from continuing to make moves like this? A lot of these replies may seem over the top in principal to you, but to see where a lot of us are coming from, please give 1984 a read. It's really worth it, and it might just change the way you think about things. There really has to be a line on this though. Since 9-11, we've had so many freedoms taken away. 2003: Patriot Act. Government is now allowed to search our homes without warrants and have access to information such as library checkouts. 2006: Military Commissions Act. Habeus corpus is suspended for the first time since the civil war. Government can now detain you from your house. 2007: NSA Warrantless Wiretapping. Telecommunication corporations gave the government phone records and government can now legally monitor phone calls. 2008: FISA Amendments Act. Signed into law 3 days ago. Granted immunity to telecommunication companies from lawsuits over past actions. Increased allotted time of wireless surveillance from 48 hours to 1 week without a warrant. Where does it stop? You are seriously bringing up the whole aclu library fiasco? The FBI did that once and it was to a guy who was actually a terrorist. And they weren't monitoring his checkouts or internet use just anonymous emails sent. The Habeas Corpus one is kind of necessary. Preventing an attack is a whole different ball game than police work. I don't think that they should do it to citizens but sometimes it's necessary. Sometimes they catch a terrorist and they don't have enough proof to convict them in court. They can't just let them go. Of the 400 or so people they have already released from Gitmo at least 50 have been confirmed to have gone back to terrorism so they can't just let them go if they don't have enough proof for a conviction like they do in U.S. courts. They are trying to prevent attacks not punish people for crimes already committed. And the NSA can only wiretap your phone if you call a suspected terrorist overseas.

This doesn't look like much avoidance to me. This only looks like the bombing of a group of civilians to me, anyone else agree? 7AXN3H3BPQU

^^ You can tell that those are civilians? Wow you got some good eyes. I guess you know more than a trained pilot.

I'm not sure what types of bomb they used but the U.S. does all it can to avoid civilian casualties. National Geographic researcher Bijal Trivedi stated that

It was Hiroshima and Nagasaki not Hiroshima twice. That wasn't retaliation it was to end the war and save probably a million lives. And it's not Iraq it's iran. The thing I was remembering could be at the end of this. Not sure but I'm not watching 3 hours of William Delahunt and Ron Paul. It was Delahunt and maybe one other guy interviewing some guy in an empty room. http://cspan.org/search.aspx?For=william%20delahunt

I didn't know you were in the Air Force. You know where and what they would bomb and what the collateral damage would be? And thats not really a good analogy anyway.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=20a-exAW6qc Racists are everywhere.

When you say that one example proves that kids raised by single parents are completely equal to kids in a normal family.

I'll look for one but I doubt I'll find it. I'm not gonna spen hours going over the cspan archives. I'm not talking about invading iran just bombing. The guy was some D.C. egghead who Delahunt picked. It was a one on one type of thing and yet Delahunt still looked foolish.

It's all good, no worries.

The 9/11 was seven years ago mentality isn't to good. We are still in the same position as September 12. That said this isn't something I would have thought was a good idea even then. Maybe a few hundred more air marshals or guns in the cockpit.

So you'd have nothing against parental notification? :roll: If she doesn't want her parents to know, then they shouldn't be contacted. Again: her choice...even if I disagree with it. Not at 12 years old it's not her choice. Once she's 18 it is. Just like it's not her choice to go to school. If she need parental permission for a field trip to a museum shouldn't she need it for a medical procedure that is potentially dangerous?

Thats what I said. Did you read it or assume that I said I'd rather children suffer than be raised by gays?

I'm sure there are cases of kids who were molested and turned out fine. Living proof that child molestation is fine right? Kids do better when they have two parents. We should aim for a normal family. It may not always work out that way but that should be the goal. Every kid has a mom and dad. Until then I have no problem with responsible gay people adopting if it takes kids out of foster homes.

Theres a difference between withdrawing as conditions dictate and just a unilateral pullout regardless of what happens.

I live in the same city as a place called Lava. Not too nice. But shock, it's full of heterosexuals. :shock: And what makes you say only a gay could do that? Is there some sort of biological response which only works with straight people that stops them having sex that many times a night? What straight man would have sex with 10 men in one night? Honestly those people are just as bad. Not really any difference. I wouldn't want a child in a home with straight people who do that either.

The Iraqi people are. No they aren't. Maliki has asked for a timetable but once we begin drawing down they will probably give it up.

Harry Reid Jan 31 2005 Joe Biden June 21 2005 Hillary Clinton September 22 2005 Barack Obama June 6 2006

Yes I'd think that only a gay person would have sex with more than 10 guys in one night. You might know normal gays but I live in the same city as a place called the castro. Not to nice.