rushrock

Gimme some tips! :P

I personally believe that a mother has certain rights that need to be filled out. Certain personal liberties. I would be disgusted at an average restaurant that didn't let a mother do this, because personally, I believe it's a huge kick in the crotch to humanity, or what's left of it. An end to what makes humans, humans. You have to level society, level it all down, and realize what a simple thing it is to be a single creature on a single planet in the vast quantity of space. I see that you feel strongly about this issue, but it might be hard for you to understand such a right.

I don't think they should be though. I hope you know what I mean about two-sided arguments now. You feel the mother shouldn't have to worry, I feel that the people who get uncomfortable shouldn't have to worry. Obviously, I'm not blowing things out of proportion - or else this thread wouldn't exist. I've also asked my aunt, mother, father, and brother about this. They all said breastfeeding shouldn't be allowed in a restaurant - at all, whereas I said it's fine as long as you can't see. So you see, I'm not the only one who feels this way, in fact, they feel stronger about it. My brother's girlfriend was the only one to disagree, and her supporting argument was "it's natural". I fail to believe it too. Well, I mean, obviously it is a two-sided argument. I always knew that. But yet we're still discussing it. :P Surely they're not disgusted by it, though? Unless they're of the select few that are disturbed to the point of intolerance, I don't see why they can't accept the fact that it's just breastfeeding.

Another Rey Mysterio fan? :P But still, I'm not a fan. You do get points for originality, though. 8/10

I do see your point, but unless someone had severe mental problems (and that's a different argument), people can be desensitised to breastfeeding. And like I said, this is much easier with the younger generation, because once they see it, they will know it is acceptable, just like all of the things that we find to be second nature. That can happen with today's generation too. I don't really find it acceptable that such a disturbance exists (again, I don't know just how many get disturbed by this, you might be blowing it out of proportion) because of the action of such an act. It's a mother feeding her child and bonding with it. I fail to believe that people can't have a little sympathy and learn to accept it.

I might want to serve in the military for a little bit, but I know that I want to be a doctor. It's because of my dad, really.

I don't care for them. But you should probably keep on trying. Practice makes perfect, you know.

Lol, I'm listening to The Sound of Music sountrack. :oops: :D

Hey, those look really nice and abstract! Once I get GIMP started again I'll see about downloading them.

Iron Maiden was one of the pioneers for the entire genre of Metal. They have some very good riffs along with vocal talent. Apparently he disagrees. :o :P I don't like that Soulja Boy or any of today's rap. Most of it is pretty cheap and nauseating.

Joshua Radin is a fantastic guy. He creates beautiful music and lyrics. I recommend the album "We Were Here", it's absolutely golden. A little sample for you (I think some of you will recognize it): 06D_EFNGmOQ

Nah, langzor is just joking. :P

Oh my god, #3 is just so wonderfully done. The composition and balance is beautiful. It's breathtaking, it's just a fantastic job. What a wonderful shot. #4 is excellent too. The colors are lovely and it's a beautiful picture. You are quite the cameraman. :)

Oh, sure. That's who I thought you meant. :-k

I noticed, Sumpta. I'll bet a bunch of other people did too. :P And I think you have an interesting hypothesis. It makes sense, too, on how the mind works as it goes through adolescence. A few oldies are still here, which is a good sign. I guess we're in this new, young phase, as you say, while there are tons of immature newcomers who have a bright, shiny forum (or it was that way) at their disposal and don't know what to do with it. I guess what the staff did was say, "We need all of you to realize that this kind of posting will not be tolerated. There is too much spam and flaming. The mature tag is there for a reason, in fact, it should be molded into your brains to be on every thread. Such a tag doesn't mean, 'hey, let's go in there and talk about sex because, let's face it, SEX!', it means that only mature, thought-out, intelligent posts and discussions will be tolerated." That's all it ever meant. A totally different definition was interpreted by the current bulk of OT. I think, that in the future, discussions like these will be able to happen again. Not without moderation, of course, but in time, "Project Offtopic" will stick with everyone, especially when it's put in this early. Things stick to people better when they're young, right? I believe that then the staff will be more lenient on OT and what's allowed in there. After all, it's a forum, right? We're here to have fun and talk with people. If the community cooperates, we can really improve this place.

Did we play with your friend Jack on Halo 3? Oh, oh dear...Did you mean..............:o

Damn, my parents (mainly my dad) used to be just like that just months ago. They still are. But they understand that these games aren't as bad as they appear to be, and are more lenient of getting me M games (provided that they look into them extensively). Try a site like Common Sense Media which goes down into every detail on what gameplay is like. My dad uses this site religiously to look into the games that I want to get. Then they can see, for example, that Call of Duty 4 doesn't have much blood in it (it is extremely realistic though), and that Oblivion has virtually no excessively explicit content in it, and that the only reason it has sexual content in it (you asked about this before) is because of the fact that you can strip enemies down to their undergarments (in a woman's case her bra and panties).

People have the right to own weapons. I believe this is a fundamental law, and it should never change. I do, however, agree with the points that kranked1 and magekillr are bringing up, though.

It stems back into, "People shouldn't feel disgusted by it." Maybe they shouldn't, but the fact is that they do - much like some of us feel offended by bad table manners and improper etiquette. Look, if you people really think I'm asking for much, then please think again. Read what Turtle had to say. I agree with her 100%. I'm not telling you to bend over backwards for society - only to have a little respect for those who find it uncomfortable. A blanket is completely sufficient. However, not budging one single bit in order to please both parties is lack of empathy. A mother shouldn't have to have respect for those who find it uncomfortable because such people who are uncomfortable cannot justify their feelings. I'm not saying mothers never have respect for those people, but I am saying that they don't have to because these feeligns aren't justified.

Well, for that last bit, I actually wasn't trying to be rude or anything. It's just that sometimes, social norms are hard to break. Do you really think that will happen? Do you really think that people will actually lose their appetite from watching breastfeeding? What do you think we can say about people who do that? And the truth is, you'll probably see some of the more curteous mothers wearing that shawl you suggest (correct me if I'm wrong, it's a rectangular piece of clothing worn much like a scarf), but they shouldn't have to. That's my argument. I think this through the reasons I've repeated over and over again. It's a basic, natural thing and shouldn't bother anyone because of the act's nature. Anyone who is disgusted at the act of breastfeeding is following this norm. This norm is what this whole discussion is all about. The younger generation is innocent. They have not matured yet. They will know and accept breastfeeding as a regular thing. That is exactly how to make people comfortable with something the quickest: when they're young. That's the best way to implicate certain state of minds, just like the honor code. And even so, I don't think it's very unreasonable to try and implicate it now anyway. People will become incensitised to it eventually and they will accept it. Everyone will accept it eventually, you know. They have to suck it up, realize the nature of such and act, and just accept it. It's a state of mind.

Oblivion and Call of Duty 4. You never listen!

You still talk about convenience like it's a bad thing. You're not putting yourself in the mother's shoes. Are you familiar with a mother's bond? A mother feeding her child in a public place. Wow. And don't try to compare it to something as irrelevant as a man taking off his shirt. They are very different. The man doesn't have to take off his shirt, and the baby needs to eat. Now, why can't the baby wait? For god's sake, it's a baby. That's being a bit cruel. It shouldn't have to wait. No curtesy for the baby? Maybe it's just you, along with the select few, who follow this norm, because most people wouldn't do this. It's totally fair. Take the fact that it's a baby needing to eat, and a mother needing to feed it, and you do the math. It's all natural, and it's of such little importance that it shouldn't even raise complaints, it really shouldn't. I don't think there should be an argument over this, but some people feel differently. Maybe a lot more feel differently. I'm asking you to go against this norm you seem to follow, and maybe it's too molded into you for you to do anything about it.

You're saying that a mother has to live by these specific rules when going into a diner to protect other people? "Oh honey, darn, I forgot the blanket. We'll have to go back home because I'm worried that people will see me feeding my baby and be disgusted by it." The fact is, there shouldn't be an argument of this, because people shouldn't feel disgusted by it at all. But the fact is that they are, you say? That is the norm that is speaking. It's not the mother's faut that it is this way. So yes, she can do whatever she needs to do. She shouldn't care about other people's arguments (again, there really shouldn't be any at all) over something as so trivial as a silly little norm that makes the select few people get all worried about something as so simple and natural as breastfeeding. I have to step out for a little bit, but I'll definitely be back as fast as I can, and I'd love to continue discussing this.

And so what if it's a little bit about pride? Not so much as pride, but as convenience. It's more of a curtesy thing, to allow a mother to feed her child.

But as I said, only a select few, I really, honestly believe, would really feel that disturbed about it. I don't want to try and speak for everyone, but I think that's the case. And if it's still not, it's a completely fair and natural thing to do. We're talking about nourishing a baby. You are caught up, again, in this norm and see it as unfit for people's eyes. I find it disturbing that you think this.