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I think you're mistaken, the debate doesn't occur between the dragon square shield and the obsidian Shield, rather between the rune defender and the dragonfire shield.

Edited out shameful reactions :lol:

To quote myself: This was not meant to be an animal rights thread and I was merely using my own experience as an exemplar. I'm not exactly a die-hard animal rights activist, but I'm not exactly a complete humanist. Making a difference or not, I feel that by excluding myself I feel content to the decision that I do not partake in such activities and do not promote it on a personal level. That's all. Edited my original post as to not diverge from the intended topic.

Now I wasn't intending this to be an animal rights vs. human rights debate so let's just stray off that topic. I never said that I was aware that what I did has any, if any implications on the fast food industries and their policies on their resources. This is a statement which bothered me the most. I can infer at the very least that as a company, one person or even a group of persons is not going to affect the way a business is run. A business is operated to make profit. I do not feel that by boycotting such restaurants that I make a difference on a business scale, but more over on a personal scale. However that's irrelevant and I'd like the attention to shift to what I really intended, and that is if anyone has made a personal vow to themselves that they've broken.

Just an update, the KFC near our area is closed down so my dad didn't manage to bring home any. Kind of half pleased and half upset mainly because I'm hungry :| The same can be said for many things. I'm just more fortunate than others and I do not in any way take that for granted.

I'd probably roll out of bed in the morning and throw on what I wanted and go Drink beer with the guys, etc, etc. :lol: (Has this already been said :?)

I already stopped eating prior to that thread. Seeing all those responses in that thread just helped me reinforce a stronger will to stay the hell away from KFC :mrgreen: (And all other inhuman food establishments)

What are some cases in which you have had to break some vows in your life. Explain, discuss, share and all that jazz. :mrgreen:

Welcome Back

I was looking at your location then I realized I lost the game :cry: :lol: Congratulations on the achievement though, 8/10 for me (I hate mining!)

I got it too last night :mrgreen: Welcome to the slayer helm club

Oh the list goes on... And your ignorance astounds me. Every time we present a logical argument you resort to mudslinging and fail to comprehend any of the logic that we're trying to tell you. You bring back the same, irrelevant points in which you relate RS economics with real life economy. RS Economy =/= Real World Economy The price of items are dictated by Jagex. I'll leave you to infer what that means and to squabble ignorantly with the rest of the people who try to impose an understanding upon you.

Well there you have it. This just proves that you've missed the whole concept of junk trading. Players will buy it when put under certain circumstances, where they are forced to buy it because of the undervalued price of an item, say a 3rd age amulet. Perhaps you should do some research on junk trading before criticizing it so much the way you do. Well here's another flaw. I'm not sure where you come up with all this monetary/real life value nonsense, but your perception of terms is misconstrued. When determining profit, you go by the street value of the item. Why? Because at one point when the price of Dragon Claws where a mere 150k, the only way you could obtain it was through junk trading. There was no way you could obtain Dragon Claws otherwise unless it was CS'd through the GE. The whole concept of junk trading and items traded with for and with junk is what this topic is about, not for general items such as coal and other gathered resources. You're not going to junk trade for a rune plate, or an amulet of glory. I'm not going to repeat myself again. No one is going to buy it and the value of that 50M does not accurately reflect the actual price of the item. No one is going to buy it on its own. Refer to my posts above, and the two other arguments I've submitted which you've so far not even bothered responding to. Your formula is irrelevant and does not apply to the fractured state of the RS economy. You're rambling, comrade. What does maturity and education have to do with an online game. Unlike real life, each item is assigned a specific value. You don't go up to a dirty piece of cloth in your house and say: "Hey! That's worth $1.00!" Is anyone going to buy it? No. Does it mean anything that just because you've assigned it an inaccurate reflection of its value that it still has that value? No. Then real world value is as fictitious as the values that the GE provides, which are set by Jagex. As you can tell, you're not going to be very successful buying 3rd age off the GE, and it shows. The GE is as broken for some items as you can imagine, and the only alternate methods are what we are today.

He's not talking about Runescape, he's talking about people from the Off-topic forum. One was PaperClipsYaar and the other was MyChemicalRomance or something along those lines. Either way it's irrelevant and you shouldn't want to model yourself after them ;)

Supported, great ideas. Will edit later with criticism upon further examination :mrgreen:

Quite a fallacious argument. Your whole post is irrelevant to what I've just outlined. Gross profit is dictated by the amount of sales subtracted by the cost of everything in total, which would give you the amount in which you have profited. Source: http://www.investorwords.com/2249/gross_profit.html I fail to see how the cost of sale goods = actual monetary value of the goods. Did I miss something here? Bringing unsupported pictures with irrelevant formulas does not help your case. Bringing it all together you ignorantly announce your victory of a debate in which, you constantly seem to spew out fallacious arguments which in reality stand no ground. Bringing a formula into your argument would surely help, but not when you don't even know when to apply it. Oh and by the way, This is where your whole argument falls apart. You cannot go by the items monetary value because like the GE, the item is flawed. Jagex has not fixed the price of the item yet, so you cannot even come close to thinking that the price that Jagex assigns to that item is an accurate reflection of it. Until Jagex fixes items such as 3rd age and some specific rares, then junk trading will exist whether you like it or not.

The fact that is has no use or application of the item does matter. If you're reduced to selling the item to a general store for a drastically lowered fraction of it's GE value then you're playing the victim here. Why sell an item to the general store for 3 gp each when you can use it to fill in trades for 150+ gp each? By that logic whips should be 72k, not it's GE value of 1.5M. Referring to my post above, junk is called junk because you guessed it, it's JUNK! No one is going to be "willing" the buy you're item if it has no use whatsoever, and it's price is inflated because of constant junk trading. You can't assume that someone is going to buy it just because it has a GE value of 50M, the fact stands that NO ONE is going to buy 50M worth of Addy Javelins at market price. That's the point of junk. When items are restricted by it's GE price you use obsolete items that no one uses in order to fill in the gap. Perhaps your thinking is distorted to what is/what isn't junk, because there are only a few items out there which I truly consider true junk. You're losing money that way, by not using your junk to reach a desired price. I'm pretty sure the majority of people don't go and junk hunt. I for myself find junk as a byproduct of certain skills, when items are deemed unsellable by the GE. No one is going to buy junk off the GE for median price, let alone minimum price. And it is done in player to player trading, why do you think that junk trading is so prevalent in the rare community? It does constitute a profit because the GE value that is assigned to the junk is merely fictitious; it's a representation of the flawed system that Jagex puts on some items. Players like I use this flaw not to go through illicit trades, but to receive value for my items which I feel deserve more. You cannot compare real life economics to the economics of Runescape. It is a bad move on your part, and probably the worst analogy you have chosen. If you would like me to point out the flaws of this paragraph I'd be happy to do so, but it pretty much speaks for itself.

What Magzar fails to understand here is that junk is called for what it is in essence, junk. With no practical use, no desirability of the item and with 0 demand, the item is rendered useless. Junk cannot be inputted into the equation as 0 gain or loss of monetary value, as it is merely a ghost value used to fill in the gap between trades. Because these items are not used and are not going to be sold in any way, you do not lose any money but use it as a way to sell item(s) that will not be sold under normal conditions. Perhaps I have missed some few points raised while skimming through the 8 pages of this discussion, but if you're buying junk to sell an item then I might agree with you that you're going nowhere. However, if the items are a byproduct of a skill and are considered useless, defunct or unsellable, then I don't see the problem here.

Current goal: Err, what I wear :mrgreen:: Stats from last year :shame:: Current stats: [hide=Stats]Look me up lazy :mrgreen:[/hide] My blog is very rough right now but as it's 3:44 am here I think I'd get some sleep before revamping it. I'll even put in a bank pic if you guys are interested :o Goodnight!

10/10 I will nominate this for AotM as soon as possible

The only reason people use Duradel for the last tasks is because they are trying to rake in alot of Slayer Points. Usually this is done with the 2nd easiest slayer master, Machzna as you're not allowed to use the Burthope master to gain points. By completing the easy tasks that Machzna assigns, you're able to finish those tasks easily and get the same slayer point bonus as if you had used Duradel/Lapalok all along. As long as you use Duradel or Lapalok as the last task, you get a bigger slayer point bonus and then you can rake in the points quicker.

Yes sir! Feel free to bang on it like crazy :mrgreen:

0 black marks in my 7 years of playing.

I personally play the acoustic guitar, the piano and the drums. Oh, and I played the trombone in Grade 8 but let's not go into that ;) If you want to hear the story then I'll post it but it's pretty stupid and gets me angry :lol:

I got my first GH (GH3) about this time last year (9th January). But I started on Medium (Which I finished in the first night :P) So I guess not "everyone" started on easy. I've still not beaten easy, It's just far too boring. You could try playing it on Hyperspeed 5 and pretend it's a really easy expert song :mrgreen: