You suck at using Ice Climbers :uhh: Did i say that i used them and was horrible with them? No. I have seen many many people play with them (skilled in the game) and they always end up on the loseing side. and that is why the ice climbers will not be in Brawl. First Stock:
learn how to short hop, lcancel and abuse grabs shiek will rape most of the characters you said. kirby sucks, don't even both using him. try peach, shiek or marth, all are easy to learn if you only play final destination you could choose samus and spam smashed missles across the map, then learn how to bomb jump for recovery(lay one bomb, then lay a second bomb, the first bomb will explode and you will gain extra horizontal distance) oh, and [bleep] if they don't let you use the cstick. call them dumb for not using something that's in the game