A lot of people new to Flash don't do this though. They like to cut corners (You really should've seen some of the assignments last semester.. shocking). I can see your point about AS though, but I take it as it stands. Untill it is officiall decalred a web language by the W3C, it won't be much more than a multimedia plugin. Not exactly elitist or unfair, IMO, just presenting the language as it is. Granted you can do some fairly impressive stuff with it but in the end the user comes first IMO (See Hannibals post for reference). Your point is taken and acknowledged with fair game. Design the site the suit the need (as I like to stick by) and don't really do anything you don't have to. I think we could both agree there are too many people like that who go overkill with any design sometimes :P @Kane: I like that site. Has a good balance to it. Nice and clean aswell. The news frame maks it look a bit cluttered though... ah well, still nicely made. @unknownmasterofnothing: dontclick.it is quite nice. Interface could've been a bit less sensative though... other than that. One of the few flash websites I'll probably remember for good reasons :P