Makoto_the_Phoenix

Mass exodus. Doesn't matter where, but if Jagex could no longer maintain the game, no one would bother sticking around except the bots.

1) You're using money (someone's money) to gain an advantage over others through the referral scheme. You're essentially trading $6 for 10% exp boost, and the critical point is that you can do it to yourself. 2) You contradict yourself. You're buying bonus exp, which is still buying exp. 3) EVERYTHING that Jagex makes goes to the development of RuneScape. If they were doing well with their game, they'd be making more money off of normal subscriptions, and they wouldn't have to pull this B.S. 4) Name a game that you don't play for competition with everyone. Most every MMO does, at least... [EDIT]] Sounds totally realistic. Should be any day now. "The biggest myth is that we make money from bots. This isn't true." <-- Page 128 "I suppose the ultimate aim is for the membership of the bots to pay for the team taking them out and keep them to such a low level that it doesn't inhibit legitimate players." <--- Page 192 Angry beyond words... What an absolute waste of space of a JMod. It is a complete contradiction in terms. There isn't any word to convey the amount of disappointment in Jagex's stance against bots. They've definitely been lying to themselves and their constituents. I wonder if the game has a future past next year.

Ok, let me just explain something to you. You're not supposed to pay for the membership, your friend is, because you referred him. You're taking this way too far, I don't see how this negatively affects the game. It just gives you some bonus xp, that's it. You're all taking this way out of proportion. You can refer yourself with RAF, too. That's at least one way that it negatively effects the game. The other seventeen pages will provide more reasons, I'm sure.

It was mentioned earlier, but it's worth mentioning again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect Covering up or hiding some piece of information has the unintended side effect of making that information more public. The debate about whether or not it was right to demod him will rage on for a few weeks, but I can't say that the video would have gained nearly as much momentum or attention as it would have, if they had simply left him alone. If you're still hellbent on punishing the guy, you'd do it away from public eyes, in confidential areas; that way, if word did get out he was on a tight rope with the JMods, it'd have a much lesser effect, and Jagex would have a much stronger case to demod someone - namely for leaking information. I can't say the video would have been nearly as popular had Jagex not flailed their arms and got their crown-removing hammers out.

Look at jagex, with all their basic coding errors. Or someone is doing something horribly wrong. <clearly_offtopic> Because ensuring that a game with a codebase that's 1/5th the size of the Linux kernel (~1 million) in several different languages (Java, C, assembly) is absolutely bug free is easy. Right? Honestly, the number of bugs that are present in the game is remarkably low compared to the size of the code base. </clearly_offtopic>

What campaign? Are you talking about the swell of fanbois that took a perfectly sane message, and turned it into something that it shouldn't have been? Prove that he implicitly convinced others not to vote for Jagex. I'll happily rescind this point if you find evidence of it, since I sure can't. As for him being demodded - I will say it's unexpected, for the simple fact that a moderator is a player first, and a moderator second. Over the years this has had a variable definition as to what a "player" could do - and what constituted unmodly behavior. However, voicing one's opinion and/or saying "I won't support Jagex in this case for these [legitimate] reasons" isn't unmodly to any normal passerby. It's more indicative of a restrictive government that wants to stifle any opposers to it. [Aside] Had he not been demodded, would this have received nearly any of the same attention that it has? I think not. I look forward to seeing evidence of him asking and telling others not to vote. I'm a man of my word; I'll totally back off if you can find any. But if not, let's move past that point.

It was really an outright anti-Jagex video, not really surprised he was removed as a mod. I mean why was he surprised Jagex asked people to vote for them, is he a bit fickle? All he did was try to start an anti-vote campaign against Jagex, instead of just taking the personal choice of not voting he had to start a drive against them, his own fault if you look at it with open eyes. So showing footage of how bad the botting problem is anti-Jagex now, right? bot-related videos, and realize that there was no action even taken on Jagex's part in regards to this. Hell, they barely batted an eye towards it. All of a sudden he mentions the Golden Joystick and gives his opinion on how they don't deserve to win, and the rest is now infamous. If nothing else, Jiblix only brought it to the public's attention, and made his own commentary on the matter. There's a major difference between him blatantly saying, "OMG JAMFLAX SUX0RZZZZ DONT VOTE 4 DEM", and "They don't deserve to win this year". One's definitely anti-Jagex, the other is merely an opinion, which you may take at whatever value you wish.

That's the fastest way to make everyone hate your company/corporation. Sacking an employee because they had a dissenting opinion of your company would be far worse than if you had dealt with the issue internally. True, Jagex didn't silence him - they just made the whole matter a lot louder than it would have been normally. However I disagree that he used any of his power as an F/PMod to get anyone to view his videos.

This. I'm agreeing with this, only because the players were so goddamned stubborn about this matter, and refused to see that it was really for the better.

While it does you no good as a developer or a person to hear how much you suck, not being receptive of constructive criticism is something Jagex sorely lacks. I dunno. People realize that the police brigade have clubs, tazers, and handcuffs, and probably don't want to take any chances on going to jail over a video game.

You may be right - let's all face the music, this wouldn't be nearly as big as it is now if it weren't posted by one of the more well-known (famous or infamous, depending on who you are) Dual Moderators - but I feel like you're underplaying the matter a bit, Carl. We as players won't ever have the entire side of the story. What the players see: Dual makes videos about bots for several months. Nothing noticeable happens.Dual makes new video about bots and includes his sentiment about how they don't deserve to win an award this year. Demodded. I don't like the fact that anyone's made him into a martyr to this cause. I reiterate, this wouldn't have gone nearly as big if he wasn't well-known. But, that doesn't change the fact that there is a glaring bot problem in F2P, and Jagex doesn't appear to be giving much of a damn. It doesn't change his own individual opinion either, which he's entitled to have. [EDIT] <Removed private message from Jagex> I'll admit, in my short stint as a Dual Moderator (a year or so total), I did feel like anyone with a dissenting opinion would be asked to talk with them in private, and they'd return with a goofy smile on their face and evidence of a lobotomy. Or just never be heard of/from again.

Well, no. I don't expect a stampede if Jagex does win. However, I disagree with your other sentiment; there's going to be a lot of [read: enough] people that know about this video come Monday. The video's already somewhere close to 50,000 views; assuming that every 0.75 views = 1 unique view, we can say then that ~38,000 people have seen the video. Assuming that out of 220,000 people (the average number of "people" online), 60% of them view it, that's only ~132,000 players. With the numbers I came up with, that would imply that 28% of the 60% would have already watched this. And this video was posted four days ago. It'll only get more views from there, as this whole issue goes viral. Then again they don't need to watch the video to see what's going on; it's pretty self evident.

The only problem with the negative rep is it's entirely Jagex's fault. It was only highlighted by someone that was a moderator. If someone without moderator status did something like this, I doubt anyone would raise a fuss. But...but...if they won the award, then most of the people that really supported Jagex through thick and thin (and still does today) would leave in disgust. It'd be really tough to get that level of trust back, even with new money players replacing that.

I think it had less to do with the bot videos, and more to do with allegedly encouraging people not to vote for Jagex in the Golden Joystick awards. I don't see how he was encouraging anyone; he merely gave his opinion at the end of the video and twice in the General forum thread. In either event, this is a foolish move. Current moderators will see this and realize their voice is being stifled, and future players won't want to become moderators lest they lose the freedom to give their opinion. But hey - to be honest, if the award really means all that much to Jagex, if they want to have it at the cost of what's left of their supportive, benefit-of-the-doubt community, then let them have it already. Then they can finally stop pretending to give a damn.

This confirms (more or less) what people suspected for weeks, but this is one hell of a bombshell.

It's really like Jagex is admitting defeat/sluggish membership numbers with this latest promotion. I don't mean subtly, like the auras or the horrible katana fiasco. I mean waving-a-white-t-shirt-and-shouting-at-the-top-of-their-lungs admittance of defeat.

Sure, glad you were able to figure it out. :)

I'll be the first person to knock on wood and hope it doesn't get similar reception to their latest quest. Everything else, at least, seems to be interesting.

What does your sound preferences look like? What exactly did you try on the terminal? Can you show screenshots of alsamixer and your sound preferences (output) tab?

Some manage to ignore the crowd of bots at resource spots. Others are forced to live with them. No one here can tell you if it's unbearable or not, we'll all have our own dissenting opinions. My advice is that you go and see it for yourself.

Take 5 minutes out of your day and try to mine in an F2P world in the Mining Guild. Then reiterate what you've just said. I don't mine in a f2p mining guild. Seeing as this thread is targeted towards members by its very title I don't see how that is relevant. Of course not. But let me assure you that there are more negatives than just a Slayer task. Consider that bots replace the new players which would normally supplement the economy with coal, Yew, iron, etc. Yes, they help the economy in that view, but they hurt the game overall; a new player would either quit or switch to botting themselves to compete with those resources. Then again, as long as the economy is stable, it's not a big deal. Right?

Take 5 minutes out of your day and try to mine in an F2P world in the Mining Guild. Then reiterate what you've just said.

If they kept their word, I'd still only pay $5.95. I say this because it's tough to consider ponying up more without looking at the other competitors very seriously.

I use that all the time. It doesn't encrypt live memory though.

This post. Your signature. So much irony. That aside, it would be invasive, since this gives them some legal right to monitor every activity you do on your computer - and I for one would probably sue. You would sue? On what grounds? Jagex would write that they have the right to monitor your computer in the ToS, which you would have to agree to before playing. This. The only grounds he would possibly have is if Jagex added it into the ToS without prompting the user to agree to the updated version. I would still sue. Just because it's in a ToS doesn't mean it would hold in court. Besides, you get into really sticky situations when you write that into a ToS - what about a computer with sensitive information on it? What about a public computer? Why would Jagex have the ability to override the Fourth Amendment, since I expect a reasonable amount of privacy when I use my personal computer? Thankfully, I read these kinds of things so I would be wary that it had changed. However, there are a lot of people that wouldn't read it, and the legal ramifications from dealing with it would be more nightmarish than the problem it would try to solve.