walka92

Guthix of Fist? lol dont know... he might of meant FoG? Whats mh'ing btw? 10/10 for the awesome levels! :wall: :wall: :wall: GOF is guardians of fate mh'ing is monster hunting. killing high level monsters like dag kings, gwd etc. GoF is a mh clan. im in it but its kinda inactive atm @OP. Nice bank

actually you can. i camped sara mages for 4k kills and kept illing them and got another 3 boots before i left. 4k kills is just where it stops counting; you can still kill them. unless they changed it since then

/facepalm ...do you realize how stupid that sounds? You're saying the merchants basically just buy and sell the shields back to each other. What would be the point in that? Maybe a few could gain money from the others, but the majority of them would end up going bankrupt. That or the price would always remain the same and no one would gain anything. Why am I bothering to argue with you? You all are obviously just idiots who will never understand how the economy really works. your arguing because you dont want to give up and appear weak, despite the fact that they are like brick walls. they wont listen and they wont move unless hit with a hammer. just give up. they'll never understand so why waste your time

or put on a barrows helm for defence

barrows, simply because a uni covers all healing i need, regen does almost nothing for me... and ive lost count of how many threads 60def [op] has posted in the last few days. and they arent particularly deep or meaningful either. just anoying

they can also in some cases be used with stealing creation items when i had smithing gloves, i used them w/ SC hammers making mith plates in the wildy, anvil near mage bank, was getting 450k exp/hr. also the hammers laster 250k exp with brawlers, not 60k like normal. but now my gloves are gone =[ ohwell

your a noob *cowers at strength* dont hurt me! please!

if you wanted to do 70-99 in 1 trip, while possible, would take a looooong time. weeks. the best equipment would be probably be bandos legs archer helm, neitz helm or armadyl helm black dragonhide body or armadyl body dragonfire shield glory/fury ranger or snakeskin boots avas accumulator rune crossbow and youll need alot of bolts. preferably broad, they are the most effective [i find] but you will need alot of them, probably over 100k for invent, alot of alch runes. probably a few k 5000 bones 2 peaches tablets excalibur [for spec] or sgs [if you have. use sgs spec on the zamorak monsters in the area. gives pray+hp] some food it could be done, however it is easier to simply do 1-2k kills per trip and then bank, sell the bars to buy more supplies. its unlikely to get 70-99 you should do it in the arma room part, imo. because its less crowded. but you MUST have some arma item else youll get piled by everything that moves. in the middle area you also need a sara and zammy item

dude whats your attack level? like 99? bgs spec fails epic. i have 76 atk (i know its low) but i still fail around 9/10 of the time i spec with borrowed bgs. except that the difference between even 90-99 is amazing, and at 76 its not surprising that your specs suck. when i use a bgs i hit probably 9/10 times in duel arena. a little less in pvp though, because they are more likely to have def potted/sara brewed you cant expect to get far with 76 at all. you can only just weild the damn thing, let alone use it effectively

look, i am not like you people. i look at your sigs and you are all like cb +120 with like 100m cash.i am 91 cb and net of 10m. think about that. not everyone here is 120+ with 100m. alot of people here are far, far below that, but are still a lil less carefull with money. seriously, 200k? minor annoyance. but woried when it drops 12k? thats just sad. all items rise and fall a little bit, its natural. thyll go back up and when they do, if your scared of losing money, sell

sailing could be an extrmely massive skill if done properly, or it could be a flop worse than firemaking. it could even be the best skill yet, unlocking new islands, so many of them, that it could be just as big, or bigger, then the current free2play areas in runescape. there are lands to the east, where ak haranu [spelling?] came from, islands to the south and new continents to the west, icebergs and glaciers to the north, only acciessible by sailing there yourself as no professional, comercial ships will dare venture there due to the dangers. in all those areas, theres bound to be new people to help, things to kill. anything, really. as well as that, you could also make your own ships to take wellknown and established routes like ardy/brimhaven, sarim/karamja etc it could be a flop if say, ou only got to sail established routes and in ponds, haha :P i, for one, welcome sailing, just so long as its not what my flop idea of it was :P

epic fail. train your range <3

so many of these stories are so obviously faked; noone is that stupid

not quite addicted to posting, but i sure do just browse alot

claws, simply because you only need the luck for a good hit, for one. the rest of the hits are on a formula based off hit one dagger needs to get 2 hits, which on hgih def players/monsters is unreliable

very few of their answers were funny at al

strangest one ever for me... earth got invaded by lego spaceships its all i remember, but it was scary and funny at the same time

the fact that nomatter which board im on, i can argue with someone im joking i honestly dont know O.o

that not a crush you just wana [bleep] her coz you know she's easy theres a difference

mag; you point really just does comedown to how each person defines their profit when junk trading; its the main problem here sofar. so please, just let it die lol

hehe, sounds good :P

lulz walka we've been agreeing this whole damn time what the hell we both agree that the value in junk trading is in getting something useful from something useless and not in making profit off the rare wow how confusing this has been when we both have the same stance #-o i mean you agree that if we could liquidate our junk in another way without loss it would just be better to use the g.e. right? first off, this is mainly coz i pursue conflict, its part of my personality and i cant help it XD our main problem has been how we define our profits in junking, really. my stance has *slightly* changed in this overtime though, haha

yes, if you did sell a rare item with junk and continued to use only the ge as much as possible, that would be fair enough. my point was, that using junk to sell an item for more when possible, saves you from a potential huge loss use useable assets, by selling an item cheap and keeping the junk. and also, generally people dont use junk trading as their main income; they simply passivly colelct it on the off chance that it may come in handy im sure you can also understand that, right? not going into your argument against dusty as much, but you said you always had a 90m bank value, street and ge, but the street value is all in the single rare item; noone buys junk by itself and it has no street value

thanks makoto yeh that's what i've been trying to say it's like trading money for money i've never been very good at coming down to people's levels to explain things to them i for some reason expect people to operate on the same level i do your explanation is plain, and to the point and cannibalism formulas you make up don't count i'm talking tried and true formulas which have been developed over time to be correct it's pretty simple to come up with little tricks to make a problem say one thing it's like saying 2x2-2=2 so any number times it's minus itself equals the original number but 4x4-4=12 so obviously this isn't the case it's a formula you made um and it may work in one or two problems but not in all the pythagorean theorem however or the slope formula or the distance formula or the quadratic equation these work everytime lady it's irrelevant because whether you like it or not you have to pay ge prices for items you can't pay their player conceived prices and no i didn't mean complaining won't fix them i mean no matter how much you complain the prices are still set so unless they're changed you have to pay them and i already acknowledged that you profit in the sense that when selling junk you now have more usable coin however this isn't a profit it's an equal exchange, even though it's frozen it still has the same value as the coins you sell it for, you just couldn't use it before and i'm demeaning people because even though i post mathematical figures, definitions, formulas, and sound reasoning behind my arguments, people continue to argue against me by saying the g.e. is wrong but yeh trading in frozen assets for liquid assets is smart business-wise but it's not making a profit the people who came up with junk trading i have to admit were pretty clever in finding a way to liquidate those assets and convince players that was not all it was doing, absolute genius as far as i'm concerned because to believe it actually increases the value of the rare is ridiculous, and the mark of a true genius is that he can convince people that a stupid concept is totally sound walka you have to use it's monetary value because the player determined value isn't coded into the game you can't choose your own price for an item and have the game recognize it so you can't make the game think that your price is the correct price the game thinks the correct prices are those of the g.e. and what the game thinks overrules what the players think and i NEVER said the g.e. was right, i said that we are forced to accept it's prices whether they are right or wrong i don't think they're right either but you can't get around them makoto summed it up beautifully it's the exact same as selling an item and coins for more coins or say you're from europe and you have 15000 euro's you come to america and they're useless here no one wants them and you can't do anything with them so you go to an exchange office and get their exact value in american dollars you haven't made a profit even though in america the euro is junk problem with that: they are all currencies that are easily exchangable, through exchange offices. junk in rs is NOT easily exchangable. until they use junk to bulk up a trade it may as well be worth sweet [bleep] all because it can not be used as a currency to buy from the runescape shops, you can not use it yourself, and noone will buy if for both these reasons. also, you can infact chose your own price for an item. be it through junking or bh trading, you can easily bypass the set trade limits if you know what to do, so it is EASY for the players to set their own price on an item. therefore the game does not overrule what players think. you just need to be smarter than the game, to get around it you never said the ge was right. fine, but you seem to act like you think it is a hell of a lot. now. answer my hypothetical without refering to the fact you would never collect junk. say it just magically appeared in you bank. would you sell an expensive item with this junk. the junk took no time for you to get, and you cant use it in its current form for anything else and noone will buy it by itself yes or no.

Actually, formulas are debunked all the time. The way it works is that someone comes up with a formula that they think works, and it usually does for most cases, but then someone else comes along and shows that it's wrong in one or more cases and it's discarded for a new formula or modified so that it does work. Now, I'll agree that the formula in the picture is correct, but your interpretation of it is far from true (not to mention that your written definition, the one I was talking about, is completely wrong as easily seen by opening a dictionary). As for the second part, excuse me for not noticing that what you wrote was actually two paragraphs seperated by neither punctuation, the capitalization of the first letter of either paragraph, nor an empty line. Maybe if you had the writing skills of a fourth grader, I wouldn't have made that mistake. i got that definition from dictionary. com genius anyway you show me one formula that was ever proven wrong go ahead i'm all ears scientific theories are disproven alllll the time mathematical formulas are concrete most mathematical formulas are at the very least hundreds of years old dating back to people such as pythagoras, or descartes anyway, walka you just kinda proved my point in a way you admitted that the only reason you use junk trading is to get rid of your junk and look in determining profit, you can not use the player set value you MUST use the market value as that is the overall monetary standard i fully and completely realize they're not worth the prices the g.e. has them set at to players but nonetheless that is their concrete and unchangable worth it's like this, i don't thing a bottle of medicine for chemo which costs a few dollars overall to make is worth thousands of dollars yet is is because that is its set price you guys are still stuck on the argument that the g.e. is wrong which is irrelevant you can't pay more or less than the g.e. says is right it's impossible you can disagree with the prices all you like you still have to pay them (sidenote to the person who said jagex has been raising the price of claws: that's speculation it hasn't been stated by by any mods anywhere to my knowledge. it may in fact be that they have reworked the mechanics of the g.e. for that one item as a test for all i know, in which case terrific it seems to be working pretty well.) and to the person who said i would be unwilling to take part, that's not true either, if i look at an item's price and see it steadily rising without my input i would hold it. if the item is stagnant, such as third age or others i would off it as far as corrupted vesta's or whatever, i would pick it up for novelty and then let it rot, because no one wants those for any reason as far as i can tell anyway seriously the only benefit of junk trading is ridding yourself of junk even though it has no practical value among players its value on the g.e. is still it's monetary value if you don't increase the monetary value of your bank by selling something YOU DON'T MAKE A MONETARY PROFIT seriously i don't know what's so hard to understand about the fact that where money is concerned you must use an item's monetary value the extra money you're getting in junk trades is the monetary value of the junk monetary value of junk =/= 0 even though its practical value is btw what grade are you guys in, and how are your standardized test scores? let's see you put up that information before you call someone who has consistently tested in the top 10% of the nation(pics for proof can be supplied at anytime) stupid. you obviously don't understand the concept that the concete pricee of an item as set by the market must be used when determining profit so i just don't get it my point was actually that your either an idiot or a hipocrite. spending hours collecting junk is a waste; and most people dont. it just builds up over time. but anser my [bleep]ing question. honestly. not the "i wouldnt have junk in the first place" type of thing. and why do you think that the ge/monetary value is what MUST be used for deciding profit? its not a concrete and set value, it does change. but the grand exchange dissalows any rapid changes in the market, which happens in real life, and in runescape before trade restrictions honestly, the real value to go by is what people are willing to pay. ANYONE with ANY inteligence can tell you that. the real value is the commonly agreed on value of an item, not what a scripted game mechanic thinks, regardless of how it enforced. and that is the basis of junk trading. you failed utterly, and anyone else will agree with me on that pont you seem to stubborn to admit that junk trading is the only way to sell expensive items. you are still stuck on the same arguments that "the ge is always right" "junking makes no profit" and that crap, which are wrong and we have repeatedly broken down as to why they are wrong.