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Too high for a 1 Def pure. You won't get a chance to attack because you'll be forced to eat every hit. Also, don't get summoning. If you go to multi you will instantly die.

Do not train magic for PKing unless you are going for a maxed out hybrid. Just get a Range/2h on your first account. Your accounts have bad synergy. Melee and magic don't go together until very high lvls in members. Strength and Range don't go well until you can use Rune.

Just get 99s in melee and hybrid. Thats pretty much PKing nowadays. The 103 range is very dry, quite frankly you won't see much action except 1 item or rushers. Also, just get 70 prayer. Piety and Smite is going to be better than Leech melee. If you throw up Deflects in a real fight the opponent will probably just walk away.

DO NOT TRAIN YOUR MAGIC. Your pure is a very nice candidate for a Range/2h. Don't ruin it with magic. I would get 70 range and just range/2h combo. Your HP is fine. On F2P it isn't as big of a "loss" in combat potential, and is pretty useful. Anyways, don't get teleports...You reduce your PKing power just for escaping powers. Running on F2P is easy enough anyways. It just encourages you to teleport at the first sign of trouble, which you will because by getting magic you will be weaker than those at your level.

This is a pretty weak hypothetical situation and completely missed the bulk of what I was actually saying. Let's say I have two potential moderators: one with five reports after people saying "Damn" within minutes or hours of each other, the other with a single report for password scamming. I can see that the first player is reporting every player he sees for relatively minor offenses. That is not the kind of player I want to give moderator status too, he's most likely actively trying to earn it and is likely to abuse his status in some way or otherwise be ineffective with the role itself. Even if he is truly offended by the word, as your example says, he still wouldn't be good for the role because he may well ignore the rules Jagex set in favor of his own, and would be the exact kind of mod that people are complaining about on this thread. The second player is more appealing because he isn't actively seeking rulebreakers, and if he is, chooses to focus on more dangerous forms of rulebreaking. I wouldn't instantly mod him, but I would do a bit of research and keep an eye on what he does later. I say that password scamming worse because there is an immediate threat to players. Something like the language example, on the other hand, is something most people use in everyday conversation. But that is YOUR OPINION. I can just as easily say that password scamming is minor because nobody falls for them or that people who do are not over the age limit anyways. "Damn" could be said to pollute children minds and are therefore much more severe considering that it affects people irl. Also, swearing is rule breaking. If Jagex thought that, for example, swearing is insignificant, why include it? "Also, the number to get modded is much higher than what most people would get normally." This more or less directly says that there is a number of reports, one "much higher than what most people would get normally" that is required for a player to be modded. That's what I meant by magic number. I'd like to ask now, do you know this number? If so, can you cite where it's referenced? This is going in circles. The forums, specifically behavior. Game based communities such as fansites The forum thread they set up for that very purpose ACCURATE reports (Not hundreds of reports) When looking at players they can more or less instantly discount those that have sent a number of inaccurate reports throughout their playing 'career', players with a number of moderate to serious offenses against them, again throughout their 'career', and players with poor account security. The remaining amount is probably much smaller than you'd think, and from there they can look at whatever it is they look at while making their decision. Right, so we cut out all of the aforementioned players. But that number is significantly less than the total player base. For example, "inaccurate reports" is fairly insignificant. The only way would be reporting someone who reports you for misuse, but that has been taken care of. For serious offenses, most of these people are really just bots. And players with poor account security...well how many people need to recover their accounts? Even after cutting out all of those that still leaves a few hundred thousand players. By no means is it the 10 or 20 that Jagex can comb through without any basis(reports) This indeed is going in circles.

I always thought they were placed in locations which allowed for many different uses for a single ring. It seems stupid to just pop one down at every farming location.

Meh, I just don't like the idea of a minigame that lets you practically fully AFK at everything.

Why do we even need it to be always there? Have a button that hides or shows it. That way the text box can be the entire page long.

I wonder whats the next shield item will be after this.

Quality would be sending reports when necessary for rulebreaking that is actually serious. A guy reporting five people for saying 'damn' isn't quality. A guy reporting one guy for password scamming is. The part where you explain why there aren't many mods shows just how little you actually know about it. There is no magic number for reports. The system does not work by automatically modding someone after a certain number of reports, and it's assertions like that which make me ask you to cite things. Furthermore, there are players that actually try to hit the magic number by reporting as many people as they can. The ones I've spoken to are, as of now, not mods. Why is password scamming worse than saying "Damn." What if I happen to take extreme offense to that? A report=a report. You have proven that reporting is a factor. You haven't proven that there is a magic number for it, which you've asserted twice here. Citing one source does not mean that everything you say after is covered. My point is not that reporting is absolutely unnecessary, my point is that reporting is not the one and only factor for this. I have NEVER EVER said there was a magic number. Please quote me where I said there was. Also, if you claim I am lying, then how can you say that reporting is even a factor? You claim to have sent three reports. Like I said I bet atleast 50% of Runescape players have sent atleast that many. I don't think Jagex needs something as vague as leaving the mass majority of non-bot players in the running. If you have a player in mind, and they're active on the forums, you'd be stupid not to read up on them there. It's like how businesses look at social networking sites. EXACTLY! Now where do you think Jagex finds these players to screen?

Again with the 'higher'. I'd assume that if they look at reports first they look at quality. Again, if they modded everyone with a certain number of reports, there would be many more mods than there were at the peak and these mods would be very different kinds of people. It's been done before by someone trying to make the exact same point :grin: There's an equal amount of proof for the opposite side, that every mod sent hundreds of reports before being selected. The reason that nobody calls them out on it is that if you hate mods it's much easier to believe that all of them got that way through obsessively reporting innocent players. Like sw0rd95's post. There's honestly no evidence for anything he said at all. It's likely that nobody is going to ask him to prove any of it, while if I made an opposite statement, I would (And have been in the past). It's a double standard. Where is the proof three reports is enough? I believe I have proved that reporting is a big factor. If you want to argue that then prove to me that reporting is absolutely unnecessary. I would think almost every Runescape player has sent in 3 reports. Therefore PROVE that it is not a factor at all. That's completely unrelated to what I was saying. It's much easier to tell what someone is like by actually reading their posts. You can't tell anything about a person based on the number of reports they've sent outside of the number of reports they've sent and what they say, if anything, in the 60 second or so chat log that makes up each one. Right. So Jagex reads the forums and finds nice people? Come on.

^^ Green dragons are filled with bots. On any given world expect 20 bots there. Also, I said 130s. Not just people 1 lvl higher. Now that I think about it, they must have been bots.

Point is no reason to show off if you are not in overpriced gear. Why not settle it like I said before. "Because I can"

correction :shame: :thumbup: Tired of having to fix this stupid crap Jamflex implemented if you think runescape is "stupid crap" why do you play? NO, it would seem you think Runescape is stupid crap. Why else would you go somewhere where you start off with nothing and have to make everything? Dung is isolated from Runescape.

And that goes to the three points that they outlined. They want players who know how to report accurately but aren't [wagon] about it. Everyone knows the problems with getting a guy with experience without the right personality, but getting someone who can't handle the technical side of the role will lead to problems regardless of how nice they are. Exactly. Now, what do you think they look for first? Do you think they read chat logs first or pick players to examine out of those with higher reports? And that's really the point. Nobody cares enough to actually check if the rumor is true. No, its that there is no proof. I don't want to just say you blatantly lie. However, if you're looking at player mods and the player you're looking at is active on the forums, it's stupid not to check what their forum persona is like. Right. So, like what I said above, you have ti pick people who report al ot to examine.

I call it a minigame.

Skillers whine because someone with no PvP skill just killed them. If you really want to, just go to Mining Guild, Arma GWD Avainsies, Agility Arena(Wildy), and any high lvl trees.

Imo mods are doing a fine job. This is the internet. This kind of stuff happens. You cannot force everybody to bend to your view of a Utopian society on forums.

But if it is 1/3, there is no point in reporting excessively without the other two traits. I'm going to be honest here, it would be stupid for them not to look at players' personalities in looking for mods. These are players that more or less represent them ingame, whether it was an intentional decision on their part or something players came up with. If you're running a business, you wouldn't want to hire someone blatantly unfriendly to deal with customers because that would hurt your business. It's common sense. As for the help section part, maybe they already are mods. Another way they could find players is through the forums. It's a lot easier to sift through posts than it is to sift through reports, and a lot easier to tell who you're actually looking at from their own words than the words of a player they reported. Right, they will look at a player's personality. But who to look at? Are you just going to go around and beg for money, and mod whoever is nice to you? Obviously not. They have to find some sort of indication this person knows what they are doing. After, they look at these players and see how nice/helpful they are. Lets say, in your example, are hiring. No, you don't want to hire someone who is blatantly mean. Who would you hire? Maybe someone who has experience, and, is also nice. See the connection? So would it be right to report actual rulebreakers such as password/item scammers and bots? This is what I did before being modded and I had sent maybe three or less reports. I was also active on the official forums, and I'd think that did a lot more than my reporting did. So am I the rule, the exception, or lying? :lol: I don't know if you are an exception or lying. I don't care about either. Again, the forums are one possibility. Especially now that they have their community focus. Those on the forums gets to be a forum mod.

Like above said, those are for runes. You could also high alch arrows. Usually a bound stack gives a few hundred thousand.

"Its simply fact. I can say with 100% certainty that the VAST majority, if not all player mods reported people to get that position. " Is what I asked you to cite. The fact that the a number between "vast majority" and "100%" reported people in an active effort to become mods. Feel free to try to backtrack out of this point by saying that you meant that reporting is a factor in being selected, because then you just reaffirm what your source says. That is to say, nothing new. What you did cite is: "We consider the validity of the players abuse reports and as well as how helpful and friendly they have been to other players in the game." Which simply shows that reporting quality is one factor, in addition to helpfulness and friendliness. Not reporting quantity. And this brings up another question... If they look at kindness and friendliness, though, doesn't that nullify the entire "only [wagon] are mods" point? Or does it mean that Jagex is lying about their selection process, in which case their statement can't be taken as the truth? You haven't proven that reporting is key to becoming a moderator. You've proven that it's one of at least three others. Taken at face value, these three are equal. So kindness and friendliness makes you a mod? Don't insult my intelligence. YOU know AS WELL as I KNOW that "friendliness," "kindness" and whatever the hell you want to put as an excuse that mods were picked is both unquantifiable, and simply irrational. Does Jagex looks through a random player's chat logs to see if they are helpful or kind? Do you honestly think that Jagex actually cares about how kind someone is? The second part is simply there to state that to quell the massive surge of reports that would come from wanna-be mods. Also, if those two factors help, then I would say everybody on the help sections of the Runescape forums should be made in a player mod. Being kind and helpful doesn't not help you in your duties. Someone who actively reports will have a higher chance of becoming a pmod compared to someone who gives a newbie 500gp for bronze. Here, you admit that reporting is one of the three key factors to becoming a player moderator. Even if it is 1/3, which it clearly is not, it is clear that this WILL cause people to report excessively. Rules change. Personally I muted them anyway. Doing what's right isn't always doing what the rules are :lol: The point about time was from pretty much every other debate on the topic I can remember. Players as a whole have said that both mods must devote most of their time to modding or they are unfit to be mods (and so, bad), yet if they do this they are report-happy freaks (again, bad). It's nothing personal, sorry if it seemed like it :lol: What I'm saying is that alot of mods go report-happy to attain their status, but slack off once they have gotten their position. It is not right for someone to report excessively for that purpose. I'd agree, and a number of mods I know wouldn't penalize you for it. What usually happens is that an overzealous reporter goes around reporting every minor infraction in the hopes of becoming a mod. This then gets pinned on the actual mods. Telling, though, that these overzealous reporters aren't modded, and if they are, don't last long :lol: This relates back to the first paragraph. Mods did, to some degree over zealously report. This is what separates them from the average player. How else would Jagex find these players? When it comes to this topic I'm pretty* jaded... If you've seen that 20-some page mod debate from a while back you may know why :lol: Pavlov was right! * 'Pretty' is used to mean 'extremely'.

I don;t think he has a Chaotic Rapier...Hint Dung lvl... Get max accuracy then go for Strength. This should be what you aim for equipment Use Piety Super Attack. Super Strength if you have spare cash.

Helm: Neitiznot-Quest, WELL WORTH IT! Black Mask-> Slayer Helm, Only if you want to do Slayer. Cape: Fire Cape, You should be able to get it. Neck: Fury, minor upgrade if you have cash. Chest: Bandos CP-Cost alot. Torso-Barbarian Assault minigame. Takes about 1-2 hours to get. BIG upgrade. Legs: Bandos Tassets-Minor upgrade though Gloves: Best Recipe for Disaster gloves you can get your hands on. Ring: Berserker or Warrior ring.

Glory+SS with give you higher stats. Also, ^ only works with easily pray-able assignments.

I can't even notice these details if I tried. Amazing people can remember this stuff. +1+1+1