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Offcourse they do, but not every singel one of them only about 10% of them are using rune axes ;) check this: and I should be very very happy if we should get rid of 90% of the autoÃÆÃâÃâërs, even stronger, I should allready be happy if we should get rid of 50% of them. :wink: :) If we want to get of just about all of them we should use our other trick by let peoples pay 100K once a accountlive long, so the autoÃÆÃâÃâërs should even loose money instead of winning.

They first must have 10 other questpoints also (my idea) and next to that they have to trade other peoples if they want to get their rune axe (also my idea, I mean how many times have you seen a normal player that doesn't use a rune axe while cutting yew logs? Or dragon offcourse in members), the latest thing is that they also need lvl 60 wc before they are be able to start the quest, and because they autocut willows some of them might never come so far, it's just a bigger waste of time ;). By first getting lvl 60 wc and in second thing because they need a rune axe (a pickaxe could be bought in shop, a rune axe must be bought from other normal players, if the "normal player" sells loads of rune axes to autoÃÆÃâÃâërs he might be the main of the autoÃÆÃâÃâërs, a thing that can't be checked now because most of them use steel, iron and bronze axes at this moment) :wink: :)

Wow, I'm glad someone else had the same idea. Great minds and all that :D I like your idea, but there is one problem. The people who run the macroing accounts have a virtually unlimited amount of money. Even though I understand that they would be hurt by your idea to pay 100k, I'm pretty sure it would hurt real players a lot more. For instance, you suggest that you have to pay 10k to be able to use the shop beside Lumbridge castle. That's usually the first place a new player sees. I'm pretty sure that this will scare off a lot of new players and encorage begging (I can imagine the calls of "10k plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz" already). Normal players will only be hurt one single time, autoÃÆÃâÃâërs will be hurted every single time they make a account. Btw don't forget that most (indeed not all) normal players with lvl 60 wc or mining or fishing own more as 300 K each.

Believe it or not, but after I understood normal peoples didn't want to pay like 300K to get rid of 95% of all the autoÃÆÃâÃâërs I wanted to make exactly this idea: requirements: 10 qp (so you must have completed a few other quests also) lvl 60 wc (so they can allready get cought if they are macroÃÆÃâÃâïng on willows, oaks and normal trees before they can actually start the quest). * Rune axe (that's the evidence that they are actually part of the game and the provement they haven't bought their axe from "Bob axes" if at the end is found out that it actually was a autoÃÆÃâÃâër anyway than Jagex is be able to check where he get the axe from (if auto1,auto2,auto3,4,5,6,7.... 97,98,99 all get their rune axes from one person, than is that probably the main :wink: :), if that main is giving away free cash or items some times than the persons who are accepting his stuff are probably a real world item traders, so they can get banned also easely, that's a few problems at once gone ;) )) As you can see loads of autoÃÆÃâÃâërs are using bronze/iron/steel axes at this moment: * not sure, because it could be annoying if someone can't afford a rune axe... Nevertheless I still think my old idea (by paying 100K to be alloud to cut yew logs/fish lobbies or sharks or whatever read link) is better, because that way the autoÃÆÃâÃâërs will not get any money tnx to their software, but they will actually even lose it! Also the cash they get by playing a fair way before autoÃÆÃâÃâïng!! For that idea read this: http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=669710

The idea is great, I support. :wink: :)

Offcourse they can, for example with autobuyers, they don't know how to handle a random, simply because they never get one and so only learned how to buy arrows or runes cheap and nothing else. As soon as a random killed it than the autoÃÆÃâÃâër will die, lose all his cash and runes/arrows and the macro owner only loses money instead of getting cash with autosoftware :wink: :) Every new random can't be solved my a autoÃÆÃâÃâër and some randoms are still to hard to be solved by a autoÃÆÃâÃâër... AutoÃÆÃâÃâërs don't have a good memory for example and aren't be able to catch the evil twin for example. Next to that every single bit will help and if there didn't exist any random than Jagex shouldn't be easely be able to find out who are and who aren't autoÃÆÃâÃâërs. Btw where do you care about? A random takes about 10 seconds and after that you will be +-300 gp's richer, who cares about that ;), only member players are quite silly, don't know where they are talking about and might say "I can get 300 gp's much faster as in 10 minits". While F2p players aren't be able to afford membership and won't get rs gp's such easely, I don't think someones real life status should effect someone's gameplay. I got to say that's a pritty interesting idea =D> , but still annoying for skillers like zzzamorak. I think that it's better to do something with totallvl or totallexperience in that case. :wink: :) And the time must be at least 15 minits, otherwise famous merchanters will get crazy. I guess that will become a long party... because you can only get a random once every 15 minits in my theory, so 28*15 makes 7 hours to get a inventory full of saphires... But allright, that's also a way of getting money ;) Ow btw you see your sig? Do you know who found out how you could kill the yew log autoÃÆÃâÃâërs south of Falador? (indeed me :mrgreen: )

and for the other stuff: http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=662139

What way could it be abused than? If everybody should abuse it than it could only be abused once every 30 minits and even for noobs it would get boring to focus on that. :roll:

and why not? :roll:

cast randoms on them Should you afford 300K for a world without autoÃÆÃâÃâërs? It could be easy to remove them, but it cost some time and cash :wink: :) *edit you forgot the ones in the crafting guild who are mining gold ores :wink: :) :(

Like written before: I don't think it becomes anoying anyway, it's a work of about 2 seconds and there will be loads of other players who are be able to give him. Next to that the peoples who are begging for it can only receive it once every 10 or 15 minits (like told before) :wink: :) *edit spoken about begging: Better this way of begging than begging for cash isn't it? :roll: :wink:

1st :roll: right... 2nd. You can only receive a random once every 15 minits, if you are prepared to wait 15 minits every single time than you are quite weird, because there are way faster things to receive cash than getting about 300 gp in 15 minits. Next to that you also must make loads of new accounts (takes about 5 minits every account). Don't forget to read what I actually wrote, because you can't receive experience from a random unless you get a genie (and that's one of the randoms you can't get if you read the stuff I wrote carefully). So plz read my post first and after that answer plz :wink: :) deyan2

1st :roll: right... 2nd. You can only receive a random once every 15 minits, if you are prepared to wait 15 minits every single time than you are quite weird, because there are way faster things to receive cash than getting about 300 gp in 15 minits. Next to that you also must make loads of new accounts (takes about 5 minits every account). Don't forget to read what I actually wrote, because you can't receive experience from a random unless you get a genie (what you can't if you read carefully). So plz read my post first and after that answer plz :wink: :) deyan2

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Gnome balls improvement: A long, long time ago, I wasn't even playing runescape at that time (or in every case as far as I know I have never ever had it) there did exist something like "gnome balls", gnome balls are a sort of balls that could be used to fill up someone his inventory so he wasn't be able to go on woodcutting, fishing or mining before he removed the gnome balls, this was a great idea against macroÃÆÃâÃâïng persons, till there came silly persons who just gave these gnome balls because they didn't like someone else, so normal players were not be able to go on whatever they where doing. After that point Jagex decided to blow up the whole idea and it never returned... I got to say, indeed, gnome balls are easely abuseble if they work the way I understood they worked, but with a small improvement there could be made something even better, I will explain what I mean: Don't give a gnome ball, but give a random :D This is how it works, peoples will be able to give someone a random once every half an hour so it won't be easy to abuse it against normal players they don't like (they might even help the normal player because the normal player will get a bit of cash or uncuts from the random). The idea is that persons may only give this if they suspect someone from macroÃÆÃâÃâïng, or if some peoples ask for such a random. Peoples can only receive randoms once every 10 or 15 minits (so famous persons won't get crazy from all those noobs who like give them randoms, or persons who are allmost dead tnx to the first random will receive one latest hit from the next random, like a swarm that kill them completely) *I'll come back on the abuse part soon. If the macroÃÆÃâÃâïng person or a noob was not be able to figure out how the random worked, than the person who gave the random may give the random again (if they want to someone else) within the 30 minits (if the victom ran away or get killed by the random or something like that). In the wildy, dual arena, turtorial island, a playerowned house, the first few minits/seconds after a fight, if someone got less than 20% left of his HP, inside a other random or other places/moments like that, it will be impossible to give or receive randoms, otherwise it could be to easy to (bug-)abuse. I think that the first few weeks or maybe even months only player- or Jagex- moderators will be alloud to use it, so they can test it, check or it isn't abuseble, or there aren't any bugs, or it really helps against autoÃÆÃâÃâërs and stuff like that. One latest thing, these randoms must go straight through buyers in shops (they could be "autobuyers" who can't even ever get randoms at this moment if they keep on trading with the shop), but never through two normal players who are trading. Peoples who are trading will receive the random after the trade. One latest cool thing is that it is now possible to give random party's (loads of peoples together giving each other randoms) :D to prevent peoples will abuse this idea to get their cash this way instead of normal working, it will be impossible to give a random to yourself, it will only be possible to give randoms once every 30 minits and peoples can only receive randoms from other persons once every 15 minits. It will be something like this: In the magicpart (where you can see what magictricks you are be able to to) here: you get a new feature called "give random", straight next to "Home tele" click it and after that click on someone else. You will see just before the latest click "Cast give random on *name*" and he/she/it get the random. If he/she/it has allready got a random the past 30 minits from someone else you will read "*name* has allready had a random, in x minits he can receive a other one" or "*name* got less then 20% of his HP left" or "You can't cast "Give random" on this place" or whatever. Maybe you can also cast a random on a tree (so the first one who cuts it get a shaking or evil tree), a rock (so the first one there get bubbles out of it or a rock golem), or a fishing place (whirlpool or such a angry fish troll or big fish thing, I don't know that name :oops: ). Randoms that shouldn't be alloud to just give to someone else: 1: Genie (to much advantage, you should only help the macroÃÆÃâÃâër more) 2: Labyrinth (or however it used to be called, this also gives to much advantage, sometimes they give stuff worth over 30K!! (which is a lot in F2p)) 3: Possibly also mime/camo/lederhosen/ and stuff/things like that, because it should be unfair if some totally new player can get it now easely without deserving it I think. Bad points: - Randoms allready are annoying and because everybody hates me I will get another more!? :@ / I am very popular so everybody knows me and will (try to) give me randoms. *(You will only get it max once every 15 minits and you will get some stuff from the random... Maybe there could ever come some special god that stops randoms. BUT! This god will be really really expensive to bribe (25M at least). This magicgod/godwizard got a really really lot power in runescape, and yes he will even have controll about some of the randoms. MacroÃÆÃâÃâïng creatures won't easely be able to bribe him. This because they can easely get banned and gone is their account where the godwizard has been bribed on for 25M. If you bought him over you get a button where you are be able to pop up the wizard, if you popped him up you can ask to get the randoms back anyway, so if you decide later that you want the randoms anyway than you just need to ask the wizard again. The wizard will allways remember you, also if you die or something, (it will follow your soul)). The following randoms somehow you might allways get: 1: A moving/shaking tree 2: The random that there comes out bubbles of a rock 3: The whirlpool in a fishing place 4: * maybe even more These randoms you get in first case because Jagex must at least have these few tricks to be be able to check or you are using macro-software or not (maybe that's also the reason why this idea most likely will never exist) and in second place because all persons who are following you also won't have these few randoms any more, shouldn't that be a bit strange and unfair :roll: ;). - Some noobs actually really don't know how a random works and it accidentaly might kill them, while they aren't using software. *(Indeed, those noobs do exist, but don't forget that these noobs also won't have a lot of stuff, so why should someone try to kill them by this luring way? Next to that it will be a short, hard lesson for them and it probably won't happen to them next time. After all: Don't forget this game is created for peoples from at least 13 years old (unless they are playing with their parents together), shouldn't 99.9% of all 13+ aged persons be able to complete the randoms. - Randoms are to weak anyway... *(indeed, if I see things like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QxlPAH5bIo Than I got to say that the randoms from this moment are actually quite weak, but that doesn't stop me from keep trying ;) Btw this autoÃÆÃâÃâër still exist in highscores (after 6 months), just like number 3 and 4 (chenq1, chenq3 and chenq4) number 2 is appearantly banned) - More? Tell me Good points: + You are finally be able to do something against autoÃÆÃâÃâërs + It could be a good way to receive a lot of money from the autobuyers (who don't do anything at all against randoms as far as I know, so they will get killed en drop loads of cash/arrows/runes/feathers :D) + Randomparty's should be great don't they? + Sometimes you see someone who need like 10 gp for the Alkharid-port or something, now you are sort of be able to give him this amount of cash without losing it yourself :D. + More? Tell me

Omg lol, read the whole thing again and you will see that only the first few logs will be expensive, after all these: autoÃÆÃâÃâërs are gone the yew log price will raise till about 320 each so normal peoples only need to cut about 10 inventories full of yew logs to get their cash back. AutoÃÆÃâÃâërs somehow won't do this because they will get banned as soon as they got the cash back they just spended to pay the tax. Indeed, but how much money do you think all the autoÃÆÃâÃâërs have created after all those years? :roll: I think even more... And don't forget that not every single runescape player will buy these things, I mean what must pkers based on strength do in these parts and loads peoples also simply don't have lvl 60 wc or mining so they won't be able to get in anyway.

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You know what, this night I thought out something totally new, something that could be annoying for noobs and hacked persons, but nevertheless it could be a nice idea to think about. If there must be payed for every guild, peoples using macrosoftware will get loads more problems, I will explain what I mean: Now it go's this way: The mining guild, bots must now get mining lvl 60 and than they will be able to go into the mining guild without any problems, that's a work of... Maybe one day (I don't know exacly how long it takes with all the software there exist today, but just for example). This is my new idea: If you let all peoples with mining lvl 60+ who want to come into the mining guild once paying 100K and than let them a accountlive long be able to get into the guild. Than they got in first place a new goal (getting mining lvl 60 and 100K to be alloud to mine in the mining guild), the second thing is that you can't just go powermine a bit, but you really must have traded a few times and being a real part of the game (something macroÃÆÃâÃâïng persons aren't because this is a waste of time for them) and the third, the maingoal: What macro-owner will ever do is going to invest 100K on every single account if he knows that he will possibly (and maybe even probably) will get banned on every single account he makes (and believe me, most persons using macro-software make a lot of accounts)! And this while normal players will probably be prepared to work for a good goal if they know they probably won't get banned anyway. The same thing could also happen with yew trees, there must once be payed 100K (for protection of the environment, or you must chop yew logs on a special way and it cost 100K to get the lesson how to do it or something like that) to be alloud to cut yew logs, as soon as the 100K is payed you may go a accountlive long cut yew logs for free. Possibly there could also happen something like this in arrow, fishing or magicshops, the first item cost 50K (so the seller trusts you are not a thief or something like that) and after that there will come a normal price. All these things might become really really annoying for new players, but don't forget that "new players" most of time get in touch with runescape thanks to RL friends who make them curious, these real live friends are loads of time prepared to help their friends. + Peoples with 59+ wc or mining 59+ or whatever own most of time over 100K, they can see it as a invest, you give 100K and you can get stuff worth 200K with it faster after that. + If there is a macroÃÆÃâÃâïng person between them, than Jagex will be able to check where the software get the cash from (from what "main" did he get that 100K cash)?! This way Jagex is easy be able to track down the main (if 10 macroaccounts all get their cash from one main than it will be logical that he is the owner off all the accounts). Btw for hacked persons the trouble won't be really really big because they probably allready have invest the cash once so they will remain be able to get in forever (a accountlive long). Maybe it is also a nice idea to do something strange as tax, for example for yew trees ask as tax 500 coal (must new players also learn how to make item's noted) and in the mining guild 3000 willow logs, this way peoples must train several skills or/and trade with other persons. But I think Jagex must decide a bit about this thing because I can also understand peoples can get really angry if they must train a skill they don't want to train or be dependant from someone else. The price to get in may vary, 100K is maybe a little bit to much or to small. All old players who are allready playing for years in these guilds must now also pay the tax, so not only new players but ALL players, otherwise it should be unfair for the new players. The things wherefrom I think that should cost money: Guilds where from I think that may cost some money: - mining guild (100K) - crafting guild (200K these autoÃÆÃâÃâërs are also prepared to train crafting to 40 which cost a lot of money and you can get cash there very fast, so why not 200k...) - (prayer maybe, although it will hardly ever be abused by autoÃÆÃâÃâërs, maybe against dragon-autoÃÆÃâÃâërs, but I'm not a member so I don't know) (10K) Shops that need to cost some money: - the fishing shop (10K) * - the magic shops (50K) - the arrow shops (50K) - (Macroers allways sell their oaks and willows to shop a little north of lumbridge, maybe their could be done something against that) (10K just to be alloud to sell your stuff with the shop) here picproof: 128K willows thanks to autoÃÆÃâÃâërs be alloud to: - be alloud to cut yew trees. (100K) - be alloud to fish lobbies or sharks (100K protected animalspecies) - essence mining (50K magician need very expensive stone the first time to check or you are a nice guy) One latest thing in the mining guild could be that persons with mining lvl 60 are alloud to come in the guild but will not be alloud to mine the ores before they payed 100K to the dwarves. Than at least normal players allready got a little faster way to walk if they want and they are able to see or they think the guild is worth 100K There could happen something like this: 1: Person: *starts to mine a rock inside the guild* 2: Dwarf: These are my rocks, you are not alloud to mine them, although I am corruptible. 3: Person: Are you corruptible?! 4: Dwarf: Yes I am, if you pay me 100K you will allways be alloud to mine my ores. 5: Person: I'm not going to pay to mine these rocks. 5: or Person: Oke, I am prepared to pay 100K if I am alloud to mine these rocks forever. Same thing in prayer guild, you are alloud to walk there, but not alloud to pray or pick up stuff. * The feathershop is a little bit cheaper as the other shops because I can understand that normal new players need loads of feathers if they want to fish. Unfortunedly I got no idea how macroaccount train their fishing till they are be able to catch lobbies, but as far as I know they don't train it by using feathers. Autofeatherbuyers will remain annoying there, but if there are loads less macroÃÆÃâÃâïng creatures in runescape than Jagex will have more time left to check or there are autoÃÆÃâÃâërs in these shops. (All prices may get changed, but not to cheap because with software it will be easy to make profit) Bad points: - It cost loads of cash *(Yes indeed, but I think it is worth it isn't it? If the autoÃÆÃâÃâërs are all gone than the ores, logs, arrows, runes and other stuff will be more expensive so you are be able to get cash faster again) - I just started a noob account and I can't do just about anything, how much I get cash?! *(kill cows and get cowhides. Skillers: merchant, get friends or mine iron, and no, iron ores are not in the mining guild. You don't want to train any skill!? Go pick up normal bones and sell them to me 50 each or go looting in the wildy, or go air running and get your startbudget under Barb village from of stronghold securety) - WHAT THE !? Men... This isn't just a big part of cash, it comes close to 750K!! I don't like macroers, but how am I suppost to pay that with a normal F2p account?! *(I know this is quite a lot of cash, I have been playing for about 3 years now, only in F2p and I also think it is a lot, maybe there could come something like a guy called "Mister nice guy" or something who is friend of every single creature in runescape, (also yew logs securety guys, dwarves, shops and stuff like that) if you pay him like 300K you are also alloud to do everything you want... AutoÃÆÃâÃâërs won't do this because most autoÃÆÃâÃâërs only need to abuse 1 single skill and not fishing AND mining AND woodcutting or something like that ;)) - More? Tell me Good points: + Loads of macroÃÆÃâÃâërs will be gone thanks to these updates soon or later + There are more challenges ingame and there finally come a update in F2p again + MacroÃÆÃâÃâërs get sick of the game and will try to abuse other games. + New players are alloud to do everything they are be able to do, untill they got at least 1 lvl 59+ or enough money to buy loads of arrows/runes/feathers. Real live friends some times give money to new players and after a few days the friend doesn't like the game anyway so the whole thing to give cash has been done for nothing. Now RL friends got a good excuse before paying the new players because new players can hardly do anything at all with loads of cash. Now you can ask them first to train some of their lvls up to lvl 60. + More? Tell me

Bump plz :D ;) Don't bump old threads please... :x :roll: isn't that alloud? Sorry in that case, btw so old my topic also isn't is it? :?:

Not every single F2per, only the ones with over 10M or 20M totall exp or something, those F2pers aren't noobs any more and most of them won't spam. I even think most F2p players with over 20M experience will act less like a noob as the average member... :wink: :) Yours, deyan2

Lol, now I finally understand what this guy tried to sell: ontopic: I like the idea, I support

Great :D you're in the list :wink: :)

Tnx cryptogram, you are in the list ;) (for all 3 ideas)

That's not true, if you enter for (for example) 2*5+10*2= in a calculator it will come out correct as 30. That's one of the basics of mathematics. 3. Why a second trade screen? There is already a second one with a warning everytime you trade.... 1: How else do you think it must work otherwise? :roll: that a backspace removes 3 zero's or something? And what if I type 1m0 (10000000) should it than remove 1 zero or 3? I think the backspace must remove only 1 zero every single time, accidentaly type k/m/b won't happen much I think. 2:Well... If you have a really old calculator (like I do :( ) than it will calculate the answer every single time you hit a + or a - or a * or a /, so that's why I use the spacebar trick ;) in this way I can allways make clear what I mented to and indeed, Jagex should make a new guide about how this will work if they will ever make it, just like with typing a line with coulors ingame. 3: This will only happen if you are about to give things away and be honest, how much does this happen and if it happens how many times of it did it happen by a scam? It could be complicated indeed, but I still think that it is more complicated to learn how to make a coulor line ingame for example as this is, isn't it? ;) I'll put you both in the list, you will be in there in a few minits :D

As has been said several times, it is optional. oke :oops: :wink: but in that case you musn't say in the first post "It's also a good think againsts macroers", simply because it isn't :P But nvm, I see you allready removed that part. Like I said I still support, I would love it if keyloggers won't work :D What about anything you can't fit in your bank? Or anything you have with you when you are rushed off the game by an emergency or if you were too far from a bank to go to it before logging out? If somebody were to then get onto your account, you could lose millions worth of items. That's not everything, you can also get black-marks, bans and trouble with friends tnx to that hacker :( ;). Peoples who allways trust you think they can still trust you while they actually talk to a hacker.