My friends still suck.I dunno what it is.They've gone to a LAN like 3 times a week for 2 months to practice,I've not touched L4D in that time.They still let hunters do 18+ damage before whacking off,they still let boomers hit 3 of them at once.Oh,and they can't even switch off their lights.Really,if you're playing with subs I expect you to be that much better.I sure don't use subs.Its for [kitties].