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It's really quite idiotic. Skillers provide Killers with supplies, Killers supply Skillers with business. IT'S THE CIRCLE OF LIIIFFFFEEE!!!!!!

Honestly, one of the most exciting updates in a long time. I'm not a PK'er, but this will really give the RS economy a kick in the [wagon]. Whips, Dark Bows, etc, could raise in price, which is great for Slayers. =D> Also, I seriously doubt that camping at spawn points and banks would give any sort of reward, and I'm sure that Jagex thought of that. Sure, you could do it just to piss people off, but is it worth the barrage runes?

I for one will never need to buy 10 Saradomin Godswords in an hour. This update is only beneficial for me.

I think the idea of instances is actually very good, and could work well for RS. I'd like to see it implemented. It's been done in quests such as Swan Song and RFD. Why not on a larger scale?

Found this typo in your spectre section, should be well instead of tower, makes the paragraph very confusing. I can confirm that they do drop mystic bottoms in the well, I just got one. Edit: You might also want to suggest to people who go to the well for spectres without a slayer helmet to bring a super restore potion due to the banshees. I had to tele out and grab one because I forgot they lower your stats :cry: . Oh, thanks. I'll correct that... and i r slayer 2. I have a small update for you guys to read. [hide=An in depth analysis of expensive equipment]I know this was mostly covered in the General equipment section, but I will go more in depth and actually compare them here. * Bandos - Surprisingly one of the better expensive equipment. This gives a good amount of Strength bonus, but at the cost of Defense bonuses. If your going for efficiently Slaying, this should be one of the first expensive equipment to buy. Lets compare this to Barrow's. It has much less Defense bonuses, but that's not all. This also has much less Prayer bonuses if you compare it to a Proselyte plate and Verac's skirt. In the end, I would recommend the plate at all times, but the Bandos tassets comes at a loss of huge Defense and Prayer bonuses. If you're using Piety, using neither. If you're using 10% Strength prayer, use the plate. If you're not praying at all, use both. * 3rd age, Dragon - This should be obvious. The 3rd age costs at least 500m gp street price, which is ridiculous for such a weak item. Dragon is decent, but it's pricey and much weaker than Barrows/Bandos. * Dragonfire shield - Honestly, this is the most overrated expensive item in the game. Sure, it comes with a huge Defense bonus and 2 more Strength than the Rune defender, but it's missing 19 Slash bonus! For Slayer, this is too good to pass up. If you're seriously Slaying, ditch this shield and get the cheap yet great Rune defender. * Elysian/Divine spirit shield - Well, these two shields are great, to say the least. However, Defense isn't important during Slayer, and get no offense bonuses in return. A great shield, but not for Slayer. * Arcane/Spectral spirit shield - I was mistaken. *Ehem* Dragonfire shield isn't the most overrated, it's this shield. One has 0 use for a Slayer, or anywhere for that matter. Magic Defense? Are you serious? The other one increases Magic bonus which is nice, but has no use for Slayer. * Godsword - These shouldn't be used as combat weapons, but instead for their Special attacks. (While Slaying, at least.) Bandos, Armadyl, and Zamorak are useless during Slayer, but the Saradomin really is truely a huge benefit to any Slayer, really. Shouldn't require any explanation, but it increases HP and Prayer - how great is that? [/hide] :D I agree with your analysis of expensive equipment. Though, I often daydream about the DFS while on Wyvern tasks... sigh...

Now the first line clearly states the logic behind parts of earlier arguments as it says IF they were in the castle and the others were outside he would not have definite knowledge of who betrayed him aside from zamorak. Then the entire list basically consists of solid evidence. The story of Zaros aka Curse of Zaros tells us some mahjratt support Zammy some didn't. Evidence Enkhra supports Zamorak, Anthankos supports Zaros. Derived from unquestionable dialogue in Enkhra's lament. Evidence Azzandra supports Zaros. Derived from unquestionable dialogue in Desert Treasure. Evidence Zemergoul, Lucien and Hazeel have displayed no signs either way. Backup by their respectively quests. Then I say BUT which shows a beginning of theory/speculation As Lucien wanted the staff of armaydal, that killed Zaros and Zemergoul had it in concept art and all 3 headed north like anthankos and azzandra its likely they are on the zaros side. My specualtion that those three are on Zaros side cross referenced with the evidence of others and expalined why it suggests that The imprisonment etc taken from various quests and lores we known Zamarokians and Saradominsts did imprison etc Zarosians. Evidence Then further explanation of how this links to my specualtion on the allegiance of lucien hazeel and zemergoul. How much more evidence and explanation can I give to show? I've shown through reasoned evidence and implication that it is easily plausible that all these mahjaratt, excluding enkhra, are in the north to perform the ritual mentioned in defender of varrock to resurrect their old lord. The majority of this debate was discussing whether or not Zaros literally cursed those who betrayed him, which was also the last subject that we discussed. With this post, you've just brought up that you think the Mahjarrat are trying to resurrect Zaros. What happened to the curse debate?

Again with the name calling? Is an intellectual debate too much to ask for? I've already given you my evidence. I suggest you read over it a few times. An intellectual debate? That's a laugh and a half. How can it be remotely intellectual where you point blank refuse to accept there is more than one possible way to interpret what the story has said? Despite that fact that all the rules of English perfectly backs up both views of it. I've given clear and consise evidence for all my views and speculation none of which can be questioned by anything other than alternative speculation. Equally you have given you views and they cannot be questioned by anything but alternative interpretation. The great difference is I have accepted your views as a possibility if you interpret things the way you chose to while you cannot manage to see how mine can equally be true if you take my chose of interpretation to be true. I'd hate to see you trying to have a debate about the 150th quest with someone who thinks the Northern threat (based upon the kbd post bag hint of dangers at 4 compass points) is the penguins rather than the mahjaratt I've provided my evidence, as stated before. You've provided none. But, I'll wait for a third party opinion on our discussion. If someone else comes along and tells me that I'm off my rocker, I'll concede defeat.

Again with the name calling? Is an intellectual debate too much to ask for? I've already given you my evidence. I suggest you read over it a few times.

"...but i base my specualtion on my personal view..." There, right there. No, stop, you've gone to far, go back a little bit... right there. There's where you're completely wrong. /debate

Oh God. -.- Here goes nothing...

Now we're getting somewhere. Which scenario seems more logical to you? "...cursing all who helped Zamorak in his victory." Ironically enough, they were ACTUALLY cursed when Zaros cursed them! "then wholey implies the curse to befall them was a simple act of the magical universe for slaying a god rather than a direct curse upon them." Now, where did this information come from? Oh, it's completely speculation. You see? Speculation is great, but not when it's based on NOTHING, and there's a much simpler and more obvious deduction to make. Also, knock it off with the name calling. We're not twelve here.

This is a very good point. Correction Zaros cursed no-one The curse befell those who had brought the staff from its temple to kill Zaros. It was a natural curse resulting from playing a part in slaying a god not an actual curse cast out by anyone My problem is that you keep declaring your opinions as fact. I'm not asking you to use the word assume before you start a sentence. I'm asking you to separate what we know from what you think. And yet again I say to you if you read my posts back I make clear distinction of what is fact. Virtually all my posts take form of we known that and that which means this is likely or it is probably that such and such because of x y and z Its not my fault if your not bright enough to distinguish where i switch between the too unless I put up a huge flag pole between them. I used reasoned argument where each sentence contains a theory and the reasoning In that case, let me rephrase: Your knowledge of Runescape lore is terrible. Also, you should really do DT again, then do the ghostly robes miniquest. The ghosts clearly state that Zaros cursed them. Hence the name, CURSE OF ZAROS.

This is a very good point.

My problem is that you keep declaring your opinions as fact. I'm not asking you to use the word assume before you start a sentence. I'm asking you to separate what we know from what you think.

That's the thing, we don't know WHERE the other battle was going on. Again, you're just assuming things. I've already stated that only some Mahjarrat followed Zamorak. Lucien was certainly listed as a Zamorak follower, though now his allegiance is questionable. Again, there is no evidence to support that Hazeel or Zemouregal are Zaros followers. I do recall reading that they in fact followed Zamorak, but I have no sources other than a faint memory, so don't quote me on that. EDIT: Also, the fact that a few of the Mahjarrat are after Armadyl's Staff doesn't say anything about their allegiances. Remember, Mahjarrat do not seek each other's company. I assume that Lucien and Zemouregal are after the staff for their own purposes. See what I did there? I used the word ASSUME, which means I'm now speculating, rather than declaring my thoughts as fact.

Based on his story of defeat, the Mahjarrat who followed Zamorak kept Zaros' Mahjarrat at bay while Zamorak fought Zaros. There's a good chance that Zaros probably got a good look before he was accidentally defeated. There's nothing to suggest that he was somehow oblivious to the battle going on around him. Gods are immortal by definition, which is why Zaros didn't simply die. We don't know what happened to him other than he faded from our world. Also, if you want to talk about the opinions of other Gods, just read the old God letters. Zamorak is clearly frightened that Zaros may come back. Otherwise, no other God would have knowledge of where Zaros is or what he's doing, other than perhaps Guthix, or the Elder Gods.

because they restored him? Because they are among the most powerful people left in runescape? And tbh Zaros doesn't know who betrayed him he just knows Zamorak attacked him. So whos to say how he'd react. Plus as a good who takes joy in destruction and chaos whos to say his followers killing him wouldn't make him a bit happy? There's a certain point where speculation becomes nonsense. We have no idea whatsoever what Zaros does or does not know. Also, you're confusing Zamorak, the God of chaos, with Zaros. We don't know what Zaros was the God of. We know Armadyl is the God of justice, but all we have from Zaros is that the Mahjarrat saw him as a suitable leader who upheld their values, and he's referred to as The Empty Lord.

Lucien is one of the Mahjarrat who rebelled against Zaros. For whatever reason, the Mahjarrat are congregating up north. We don't know why yet, but the big 150th quest should tell us. This is really exciting. Of all the stories and races in Runescape, the Mahjarrat are by far my favorite.

Because for higher leveled players, the speed bonus of the Steel titan is somewhat worth the extra bank trips. However, it's much better with 2, or even 3-5 people. Key words, Ancient Caverns, which I beleived was only single combat. . . Don't you mean chaos tunnels? Anyways, I would disagree on D legs and Rune armour, it has decent stats which on most chaeldar tasks for me is enough. It's not that its only 6k / hour or whatever it was, its the fact that I have to pay it all in one go and the inconvinience of finding a house or teleporting to lumbridge with the armour and money. Try to remember that while most of us don't have Zarfot's money, we also don't have your attention spawn and skills (well, the lower levels [me]). What is it, like, 50 construction for an armor stand? And once you start using Duradel, you'll wish you had a nice, rusty set of Barrows platelegs.

Or some big birthday party from 1 of the mahjaratt? Why does it always have to be this "easy" to what happens: the majharatt aren't really known for their loyality: each have their own agenda they want to fullfill! - It doesn't seem very likely they would summon somebody to lead them! (just like zemouregal doesn't want to work together with lucien..) Yeah but the mahjaratt basically ruled runescape. Then Zaros was overthrown and one by one they were killed or imprisoned or driven into hiding. They are clearly vengeful and power hungry and the most logical way to regain thier power would be to resurrect Zaros as in the absence of Armaydal no-ong (seemingly) is powerful enough to defeat him. So under his leadership they would have free reign once again For the second time, Zaros is the Empty Lord. Also, a few of the Mahjarrat heading north do not serve Zamorak. Akthanakos for one. Akthanakos, Azzanadra, and Sliske are the known Mahjarrat who remained loyal to Zaros.

I'm going to try and get 83 Slayer by tomorrow. A lot of homework. Almost 88 HP. School taim nao.

Can't give an estimate as I forgot, but it's one of the best tasks in the game, right along with Dags and Abyssal demons. So do them. :thumbsup: Mutated Velds are definitely in my top three favorite tasks. I love them.

Bought mine for 800k a year ago or so. You're much better off with a Book of Balance. I would never pay 3m for an Unholy Book. Spend that extra cash on a Fury, Ranger Boots, something useful.

I'll be the strawberries. Mmmm...

ITT: Raw toast, or bread? Discuss.