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Please, show me where I said all muslims are extremists and it represents them as a whole. What I said was; priests who are pedophiles are alienated from the church community because they explicitly have broken the rules of the church in this regard. Radical Muslims are not alienated or refused service. Once again, this ties in with my original point - this mosque will not exclusively serve those muslims(the huge majority) who are normal and not radical. It will serve the radicals as well, and therein lies the offensiveness. If you looked at a man you had never met, could you tell just by looking he was a pedophile? How about a extremist? Care to say how they would discover these people as this? Easy. Just wait a few months. If they raped a boy they're a pedo, if they blew themselves up it was an extremist. If you look at a list of designated terrorist organizations on wikipedia, you'll notice a majority of them are Islamic. I for one find it backwards that the religion of peace has more terrorist organizations than the rest of the religions.

Back in the day when only 12 colleges were allowed to facebook, and they required you to have a verified email address with the university's domain ... those were the days. You didn't have to worry about some random creeper halfway across America getting hold of your information, you didn't have to worry about facebook selling your information. These social networking sites are like blisters... one pops and another fills to take its place. I think I'll delete my profile soon...

Or in syllogism form: Some Muslims are terrorists or hold up terrorist ideals. Person A is Muslim. Therefore, Person A may be a terrorist or hold up terrorist ideals. Is that what you're saying? Sounds like it to me. When in reality it's Person A is a terrorist who is a devout muslim Person B is a devout muslim Person B therefore gets lumped in with person A because person A scares the [cabbage] out of everyone and person B has a detail in common with person A. I see it more as A) There are people in this world whose interpretation of Islam leads them to believe that they must conduct a holy war against enemies of Islam. These Muslims are terrorists. B) There are others in this world that are devout Muslims and condemn Muslim extremists. C) There are also people in this world who are devout Muslims, have never done anything that resembles a holy war, yet refuse to condemn Islamic organizations that conduct terrorism in the name of holy war. Any day of the week I'd let group B build a place of worship or community center anywhere, including ground zero. For group A, I'd do everything in my power to stop them, and for group C, I'd protest it. I view the group of individuals trying to build the community center as group C. They've done nothing that resembles holy war, but they still refuse to condemn terrorist organizations. You know what the first thing the mainstream Pro-life movement did when Scott Roeder murdered abortionist George Tiller? They denounced his actions, they condemned him. That's exactly what I expect these individuals to do, but its what I haven't seen them do.

Rauf wrote three books on Islam and its place in contemporary Western society, including What's Right with Islam, which was later printed in paperback with the changed title What's Right with Islam is What's Right with America. Rauf worked to build bridges between American society, the American Muslim community and the wider Muslim world. In 1997, he founded the American Society for Muslim Advancement (originally named the American Sufi Muslim Association[9]), a civil society organization aimed at promoting positive engagement between American society and American Muslims. In 2003, Rauf founded the Cordoba Initiative, another registered nonprofit organization with offices in both New York and Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. As CEO of Cordoba Initiative, Rauf coordinates projects that emphasize the bonds that connect the Muslim world and the West. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feisal_Abdul_Rauf http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/17/ground-zero-imam-helped-f_n_685071.html http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/ground-zero-imam-starts-us-paid-middle-east-tour/19601656 http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/08/ground_zero_mosque_imam_feisal.html http://intoxination.net/jamie/imam-feisal-abdul-rauf-was-bush-partner-middle-east-peace radical, eh? sympathizes with radical Muslims? yes. radical himself? probably not, definitely not publicly. He hasn't thoroughly convinced me. However, I didn't mean to call him radical - there's other nutters better deserving of that title. Probably should've said sympathizes with Muslim extremists to avoid confusion.

It is insensitive because people are offended by it.

...So? Anyone claiming "it's not ground zero" probably doesn't know this. The spot wasn't randomly chosen either, they deliberately picked it. Anyone that knows this and maintains that the proximity to ground zero has nothing to do with the "community center" is flat out wrong. Seems ironic, yeah, but it's not really their fault if people are up in arms about it for no real reason, is it? It becomes their "fault" when they persist. They know it upsets some Americans, they know it'll tread on the sensitivities of others. If I go to the deep south and plan to paint a giant confederate flag on a building to remember know how far we've come in the civil rights movement, it's not my fault that my ancestors were racist or bigots. If someone tells me its insensitive and that I shouldn't do that but I persist, it is my fault that people get up in arms for "no real reason". ...So...you're saying he's a terrorist sympathizer, or what? What exactly is this supposed to imply? Also: So does Wikipedia. Big deal. Wikipedia actually says "The European Union,[8] Israel,[9] Japan,[10] Canada,[11] and the United States[12] classify Hamas as a terrorist organization. My point is that not wanting Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf to build a "community center" at ground zero (or anywhere else, for that matter) is different than not wanting a Mosque or community center built (religious intolerance). If you put the three facts I pointed out together, you'd get: Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, radical Islam sympathizer, wants to build a "community center" at ground zero of the 9/11 attacks in order to help relations between Americans and Muslims, despite the fact that a large number of Americans don't want him to do it. His stated goal doesn't agree with the way he's going about doing this. At the very best he's misguided, but I seriously doubt it.

I'm assuming he means all the muslim blood from iraq? Cuz its a war? There's a critical difference though. One side is targeting militia, and the other side is targeting civilians. Comparing the two in the manner he did suggests that the United States military is a terrorist organization, or that al-Qaeda is a legitimate military. He used that statement to justify why he believes that the United States provoked 9/11 (and why al-Qaeda or Hamas or whatever should be blameless for their actions).

I've been listening to talk radio for the past week, and some of the hosts have brought up points I think are being overlooked. 1. The mosque is being built two blocks away from where the WTC stood, but it's still ground zero. The building at the current address (where the "community center" is planned on being built) was hit by a large section of airplane, several floors of this building were destroyed by the airplane debris. ("The location was precisely a key selling point for the group of Muslims who bought the building in July. A presence so close to the World Trade Center, 'where a piece of the wreckage fell,' said Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the cleric leading the project, 'sends the opposite statement to what happened on 9/11. 'We want to push back against the extremists,' added Imam Feisal, 61." - NYT 12/8/2009) 2. One of the proposed goals in building this "community center" is to reach out to the community, and improve relations between Muslims and Americans. What I can't understand (and maybe a few of you could help me out) is how they plan on improving relations when they're offending so many people by this. If you want to improve the relationship you have with someone, you shouldn't start by spitting in their face. 3.Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the man leading the project is not without controversy. In 2005 while speaking in a lecture sponsored by the University of South Australia, he said: "We tend to forget, in the West, that the United States has more Muslim blood on its hands than al-Qaeda has on its hands of innocent non Muslims." He also refuses to describe Hamas as a terrorist organization (in an interview last June).

Not only is prestige lost if you don't open all the doors, base experience is lost too (which is total bull because base experience should be just that - the very base). Once you find the boss you know that every other room in the map are "extra", except having them unlocked gets you loads more experience.

Getting skillers to dungeoneer with you is no issue at all when you're famous. Which brings us back to the topic when everyone is upset about people who use skillers in dungeoneering skill. But there isn't anything else people would say because pretty much all the top ranked F2P are doing it. @Sonic, there are a lot of Asian RS players out there, just not only limited to China. But it would def help Asian region players if they set up some servers there to reduce the lag. Be very clear on this - it isn't just getting skillers, its getting 4 skillers repeatedly. Every level 3 waiting on the surface is waiting to get into one of their groups. The amount of XP generated by one player doing the work of "5" is staggering, especially since its a 126 hacking through a dungeon designed for lvl 28s. Its like, Muhammad Ali stepped into a ring, but instead of facing Joe Frazier, he had to face five 8 yr olds.

*shameless profits off members by hoarding water tallies and limpwurt roots before, and by smelting addy bars in the run up* How long has it been since the last one? I'll be ticked if they ever release it to f2p... the reason f2pers stay f2p is either because they're poor or they enjoy the challenge of slower skills. I bet they will, so I'll probably hoard as many big bones, mithril/adamant bars, and uncut sapphires as I can.

Didn't bother with the article, after reading: I feel sorry for the author, really. I'm not going to waste any of my time arguing with someone about the worth of an individual if they have that belief. I wonder if they're an environmentalist...

That reporter's job, believe it or not, is to represent the radio station they work for. That radio station backs the Razorbacks 100%. There's no room left to support the Gators.

I wonder how high water tallies will rise in price... I've got about 2k of them in my bank.

The only group of people I have issue with are those individuals - the ones funding this project (you know - in a location where real estate costs more than an arm and a leg). If it was a group of American Muslims, I'd say go full steam ahead with it. If it was a group from any other nation, I'd have a big problem with it. Either way, it was a poor choice in location. But the bigger and more important question is who, and why. My issue here though isn't limited in scope Islam, though. If the Vatican decided to fund a super-cathedral in America, I'd have issue with that. If Israel decided to fund a mega-synagogue, same deal. If it were instead a group of Americans, then there's no issue because Americans want it built.

hopeless Massively easy? I've done a 5:5 dungeon yesterday, me being 92 combat, the other 4 were 60-70 combat. We encountered several lvl 130+ celestial mages, primal warriors and rangers, while also having the libromancer as a boss. Everyone died like 5 times, and she calls this massively easy? O_o No, you don't understand jagex's circular logic!

I can't stand Jagex's arbitrary dungeoneering XP cap, so goodbye for now.

I said before I would quit runescape if they did this. I've decided to go on an indefinite hiatus. The XP cap is arbitrary, its unfair, and now with members receiving experience more than 3 times faster, its pointless. I'll probably check back from time to time and maybe PK or GOP occasionally, but no more grinding and no more dungeoneering for me.

After gopping for 90k tokens, I started dunging. Got 81 dungeoneering today... going to keep training it until I get bored.

Could there be any intellectual property in this game? Like, Jagex buys it, covers their asses when someone accuses them of copyright infringement, or they get to go after someone else?

ZOMG so I was risking my gravite items and i lagged and died and its all jamflex's fault cuz my isp sux. It happen again and i wuz so pissed cuz jamflex is flamed. Seriusly leik wtf is wrong with jamflex.... I wouldn't worry about <10m in items too much. You can make that back in a week of leisurely playing (and if you can't, I'm sorry).

I figured by description that wasn't the place to do it? :grin: Well if you wanted to attempt to PLAY a board game through the forum, that would be the place to do it. If you wanted to DISCUSS video games, board games, etc. Forum Games is not the place to do it :) then maybe I need to change my petition to have it be a sub forum! :shades:

I figured by description that wasn't the place to do it? :grin:

Was thinking it'd be fun to play chess, checkers, connect 4, Yahtzee, euchre on a forum... maybe even something a bit more complicated like MTG or Yugioh. However each game would require its own thread, and could clog up any other forum if it gets popular enough. Board games wouldn't be as difficult to play as card games (no need for a random or hidden component), but I'm pretty sure with a "referee" anything can be worked out. [hide=How a game like Yugioh could be played out on a forum:] Both players must declare the contents of their deck prior to a match. Each player is then allowed to randomly (and secretly) assign a key, 1 to the size of their deck, for each card in their deck. The players then must give the "map" (key-card combos) to the referee. When a draw is required, the opponent designates a key of their choosing (which might as well be random) of a card to be drawn. When a card enters the field, the key combination is revealed. If revealed cards need to be shuffled back into the deck, the owner is allowed to reassign keys to their deck, provided they make it known to the referee. The referee's job is to make sure each player is honest, and can declare a winner based on dishonesty. [/hide] Obviously this process could be very time consuming, and might be tricky for some games. Forum's success would be based upon how many users remain active in it...

Chatted with Mod Trick today... he played a game (I call it fetch, he called it a scavenger hunt). Unfortunately it was in W23... but while all the members were going willy nilly to fetch the items, I had the cc space to myself. He didn't say much in cc, but said bye to me when I left. :mrgreen: