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its on my list of [cabbage] to do tbh; gotta work on prayer, range, and summoning. give it 2 weeks :P

You werent on for my 99 :P and im too darn impatient to wait for you kids to get on ffs lol. Go get er done Kotanub

Lol :P Thanks :) it wasnt really too bad as far as over training goes, i was actually averaging 65k xp p/hr. Which for some reason was only like 5k less xp then what i was getting at Dags and Bandits :S so all in all, I got 5k less xp an hour but got enough charms for 79 summoning AND a pretty d chain :)

Puff, the magic dragon lived by the sea And frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called Honah Lee Little Jackie Paper loved that rascal Puff, and brought him strings and sealing wax and other fancy stuff. Oh Puff, the magic dragon lived by the sea And frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called Honah Lee Puff, the magic dragon lived by the sea And frolicked in the autumn mist in a land called Honah Lee Together they would travel on a boat with billowed sail Jackie kept a lookout perched on Puff's gigantic tail, Noble kings and princes would bow whene'er they came, Pirate ships would lower their flags when Puff roared out his name. Well this summer i finally buckled down ladies and gents. This summer I decided to start training seriously until i got better stats to go Boss hunting with. So, in result of that, i was told Dust Devils have good Crimson Charm drop rates. So I got 95-99 in att and str at them for charms and even.... A Dragon Chain Drop :D It took me a while but it was fun. Sadly, i missed the 99 attack due to tiredness (i overnighted trained to get it faster) and a lack of checking how much xp i was off of lvling :( oh well. Here are some lovely pics :) Heres The Total charms and d chain from it all: And whats a rate this thread without an outfit <3 Thanks Arsenic Army for informing me of how pro dusties are <3 Flame on kids :)

Have you guys ever considered a group of you (you being wealthy tifers) teaming up on a "junk" item to manip in order to make a useful junk item to use on street trades? Just been wondering about the usefulness of that kind of method. Also, with new treasure trail items coming out that method seems very relevant because i imagine alot of items from that update will be worth a pretty penny. One last thing (since im a noob mercher this thread really helps me :D) -Do you see any items rising as soon as the new Elite clues come out? I imagine barrows armor, runes, and most likely brews, sups and ppots will rise quite a bit. While i wont be able to afford merching around the rares to be released, i figured investing in some of those would be a good idea. but maybe thats just me :x

^ lol skully... i agree though dont reject good advice, photoshop, fireworks, gimp. theyre all better and more efficient. dont bother showing us these cheesy pictures and expect us not to reccomend a better editing program as our first piece of advice. your just setting yourself up to fail.

well i was just curious :) seems i get 1 of the 2 (or both) every 50 kills so i could see how you got that. nice job tho man :) rereading my post i sounded like a [puncture]

not in the year 1400 you wouldnt ;)

It doesnt make the rest of the game obsolete, actually the opposite. it makes being lvl 10 just as fun as being lvl 80 (max). Your armor and skills' costs reflect your armor. runescape works off this. lvl 8s can afford steel. lvl 50s can afford rune, lvl 80s can afford dragon and barrows. lvl 100+ can afford GWD armor. thats how it works. its not unfair its the way it works. dont be so narrow minded. And how is a level 80 supposed to afford dragon when all the resources they manage to gather and sell come out to barely worth rune due to bots gathering the same resources? Face it, bots make everything harder for everyone except those who require the botted resources, and have methods of making money that are difficult to bot. The day someone comes out with a level-138-Turmoil-Overloads Bandos-killing bot is the day Bandos armor crashes to the ground. And then where will your monsterhunting be? dude, lvl 80s can range avansies, go to barrows, metal dragons, kills green dragons, KBD, and so many more. if your only making enough for rune armor at lvl 80 you need your head examined... or take a look at the many useful guides in the Archive of Wisdom section...

It doesnt make the rest of the game obsolete, actually the opposite. it makes being lvl 10 just as fun as being lvl 80 (max). Your armor and skills' costs reflect your armor. runescape works off this. lvl 8s can afford steel. lvl 50s can afford rune, lvl 80s can afford dragon and barrows. lvl 100+ can afford GWD armor. thats how it works. its not unfair its the way it works. dont be so narrow minded.

"You don't see people working at Burger King raking in money, why should workers at Dairy Queen and Taco Bell be any different? So, we can replace most of them with robots and neither they nor the CEO would care." ^ IRL analogy of what you just said. omg what are you getting at?? that makes perfect sense except for the robots part lol. bots in runescape arent replacing low lvls... just working along side them. somebody at taco bell should only make the same as somebody at burger king. if those ppl want to make more money then work harder for a better job. thats how it works. grow up.

looking at your stats mememe513, you cant honestly expect to make that much money can you? i mean come on... you dont even have a 80+ skill... thats just stupid to even argue. lol you sound like a slave meme, scraping in the coal mines... why dont you lvl it to 85 and mine rune? or get a skill that, actually makes good money like rc up? and another thing, Im SICK of people saying high lvl players arent hard working and honest. what the hell? weve put in soooooo many more hours then you to get where we are. we deserve more money.

Who are you trying to fool Danqazmlp? none of your skills that arent combat related at 90+ of course your not going to make good money skilling... good god you dont see ppl with lvl 70 combat stats raking in the dough, why should skillers with 70 wc or mining be any fricken different? Therefore, botters dont affect lower or higher lvl ppl. Therefore, they still actually help us Kilo the prices go back down because the bots got fixed -.- and yes, it is unintelligent, or, ignorant is a better word to hate botters. the only objection is they unfairly get higher stats that legit players work hard for. But they never point out the plus sides of having botters around.

The best way to raise woodcutting is with a dragon axe, which uses money you make from cutting logs with your previous axe The best way to raise mining is with a dragon axe, which uses money to buy, which you made from ming what the hell are you getting at on topic, im proving why botters arent making it unfair for the noob, im showing its pretty balanced and that they need to remove other things b4 bots

because it takes 50 hours to get it the "better" armor? the game is designed like this X amount of time at a low lvl will get you low lvl gear and low lvl money (yes, low lvl money, aka 250k, 1m max) That same x amount of time at a much higher lvl will you get you higher lvl gear and much higher lvl money (20m+) -chinning for range xp costs several mils per lvl -ice bursting costs several mils for mage and summoning xp per lvl -training prayer costs crap loads of $$ -training cb at higher lvls require p pots and sharks = lots of money ^ these are what higher lvl players need -you cant expect to make alot of money at lower lvls, its not that simple in real life and its not that simple ingame either... you have to work your ways up the charts. dont be so ignorant. you only make 110k an hour mining iron for a reason, low reqs. With 91 hunter u make the same as boss hunting. -woodcutting makes no profit because its an easy skill, until jagex updates it, dont do it if u dont like it. nuff said. it hasnt been profitable since the creation of rs2 tbh... American dream folks, or should i say, the Runescapers dream. Lvl up, make more, get better armor, lvl up more, make more, etc

Hate to break it to you Svaac but thats how ALL games go. The higher lvl you are, the more money you make. Thats why the prices for our armor is so much mroe expensive then the lower levels. We make 3-4mil an hour from boss hunting? Lets not forget about the time it takes to assemble a team, get kc, and buy the supplies to go with. So that brings us down to more like 2m an hour. Here goes the numbers: 2m an hour... so that means -23.5m for bandos top -25mil for bandos tassets -4mil for Abby Whip -500k for dragon boots -14m for fury -30m for dragonfire shield, or 70m+ for those spirit shields Total: 100m for the whole "set" of armor for us. that will take us about 50 hours to collect the money for Now lets look at the lower levels: -You can make 500k an hour picking mort myre fungus (little reqs) -If your a skiller with 91 hunter you can do puro puro for 1.5m+ and hour from kinglys and dragon imps -Mining coal makes you... 30k an hour? (i dont honestly know) -Flax makes 100k an hour -Vial filling makes 100k an hour -Cutting granite makes 150k an hour (but nobody does this cause its annoying, thats why botters are good here) -Mining rune makes about 300k an hour *Herblore has ALWAYS been a black whole and never good for $$ *Woodcutting has ALWAYS been a joke, nobody is going to reward you with a high GP p/hr with 80 wc BECAUSE IT TAKES LITTLE TO NO TIME TO ACHIEVE. Your full rune costs 250k, full sara/rune costs around 6m-7m. That would take you about 50 hours making 100k an hour to get enough $$ for it. The only skill i feel for is fishing to be honest. i do feel like raw fish should be a little higher... In WoW, lower level players are happy to make a couple gold coins, while the high players need thousands of gold coins to get their armour, mounts, etc. You dont see their low level playing complaining about it because they realize their armor is less hard to get, and its less powerful then that of the higher players.

Fixed the images to clearify things more,

For a while ive seen alot of negative comments being directed towards the people botting in game and how they have an unfair advantage over the regular Scaper'. As true as this is (and believe me im not trying to encourage botting in any way.) i feel like they can help us in some ways. Think about this: The prices on most things has been durastically inflated due to the new PVP worlds, Bounty worlds, tricking, etc. Phats are at a street price of 1.5bil+ and most high level armor reflect the same problem. However, what has kept me from giving up on the economy all together is the fact that most resources (coal, chins, etc) are pretty cheap. Why do you think they are so cheap when the rest of the economy is inflated up the wazoo? Because, the botting communities cant bot PvP, or GWD, theyre left mining and hunting. Let me try and explain a little info on the botters. When Jagex updates Runescape with Quests, new items, bug fixes, etc (any update), the botting programs go down temporarily until their creators (leaders of the botting community) check over everything and fix some of the problems created from these Updates. Now in those few days that a recent Update has occured, maybe youve noticed your favorite fishing spot is close to deserted, or that great Red Chin spot your always trying to get is wide open. The reason for that is probably because the Bots havent been updated to correspond with Jagex's new Updates. Seems really great right? You finally get to grind to 99 hunter in peace with an open chin spot or even mine in peace without competing for the ore spawns with "Mr Quiet". But while your getting to hunt, mine, fish, whatever, the rest of the players and economy take a big hit. Dont believe me? Take a look at these: Want to raise your Summoning by making granite lobsters? Get it in while you can, once Jagex beats out the bots for another segment of their ongoing battle with each other, those Granite 500gs are gunna soar. How about rasing that smithing? Getting a high enough smithing to make your own Dragon Plate sounds really good right around now with the current prices of ores and bars, but look at what will happen to those prices when botting is taken out of the game, even for just a day or two: And what about those red chins? I know i need 90+ range for Arma Gwd and Sara Gwd, but look at what happens when the botters disapear for a while: As you can see, once botters are removed from the game, prices on even items like these are going to skyrocket in price, making smithing, crafting, etc cost an arm and a leg to level. So what exactly am i getting at? Im trying to explain where the Topic of Botting stands in the bigger scheme of things. If i was to write out a list from 1-10 of things that Jagex needs to fix urgently, of course i would have botting prevention on the list, but it would by no means be #1 or even #2-5. If Jagex wants to get rid of botters, i would rather they fix the inflation ingame by nerfing the real causes first. I understand that getting rid of botters would make mining coal, cutting up granite, or catching red chins a more viable option for making money, but if your really hunting chins for the big 30m youll make to get to 99, but if its money you need might i suggest just joining in on murdering the economy and 76k trick with a couple of your friends? Getting a 99 should be about you enjoying the skill anyways, not about how much youll make along the way. Im not saying they shouldnt fix botting, im saying if they fix botting they better fix PvP Inflation in the same Update or close to it. Oftenly asked question: Lower levels are poor, Higher levels are rich, if raw good prices went up because botters getting removed, it would allow the lower levels to getting richer: Answer to that quest: Want to have some fun messing with botters? Go to the green dragons within the Chaos Tunnels and ask everyone via quick chat where their strength levels are. Youd be amazed how many repsond immediately and how convient it is that they respond within the same second :)

Gee, thanks. im not trying to insult your intelligence or anything i just wanted one more response to my question. wasnt doubting what u said, just wanted more feedback

theyre upwards of 40m now for whole b robe set

1000 kills and only that many axes and zerkers?

r u using Sol and Battle robes that saves u 50% of ur runes

do smoke burst with Sol and battle robes. idk the xp/h but smoke burst > ice burst cause they can move around and its cheaper

can i get input from 1 more person before i let this thread die

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