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123 and the same thing, here.

I'll sound like an idiot, but what is a ccs?

I tried, but if I spend 15 minutes finding people, it's not doing any good. And you can't ask for what you don't have... In my experience, people forget about people they add in minutes. I try to key, but usually the guy starting with ggs will do it or, worse, a random person ill start taking the keys he sees without telling me. Seems like good goals to me. I think I'll go that way... Thanks everyone, and if anyone has more insight, it's always welcome!

Hello, I quite recently decided to get a rapier, and I'm training dungeoneering on and off to achieve this. First, I was doing my floors over 30 in w117 larges (I can't get in teams otherwise), but I got bored of people killing every single monster, wasting time, taking 1,5 hours/large, and leave you alone with a level 400 boss, getting 4 deaths once in a while. I recently decided to make a full run while soloing with 1-25 c1s, 26-3x med. I can do a med in about 25 minutes (Lack of focus, there) and my c1s in an average of 5 minutes. Basically, 425 minutes for a 1-38 run, or 7h5m Now I at f30, and I'm not sure wheter to go with teams or solo. Basically, is the difference very big? I much prefer soloing, but if I'm giving up on massive xp/h, that's different. Am I just unlucky with w117 teams? Are there any teams for level 120+ people with lower than 80 dungeoneering? I haven't found any.

Yes...That's how I learned mummies dropped me a Champion's Scroll while chinning :/

I hope these new creatures will be interesting hunter xp and decent charms. Mught give me a reason to level hunter.

Looking at the world list, there's 77, b ut it was pretty empty every time I tried it. You're better off doing dunges in w117 and keying yourself

I don't have a link ready, but there was a little web-based page named charmPattern that told you the best pouches to make to get the max xp. I'm sure google would be a good friend. EDIT: That's what happens when you forget to press submit, I guess.

Awesome idea for the Chaos elemental.

[spoiler=Wall of text] No doubt it is a ton of xp per hour more then the latter, but how much did all that cost? I think full slayer helm torags whip+defender,glory, supers + (optional:piety, or using clarity of thought/burst of strength) is efficient enough. There was a turmoil, overloads, yak, rapier guy slaying next to me and I was still killing at 2/3rd the speed he was. (oh yea he was 138 im 113 as well) For boss fights its invaluable for training you dont need best in slot gear to be good. So its still not objectively the most efficient as theres a huge upfront cost in time and money that simply might be overkill for the training, not to mention the hourly cost (200k for the rapier, more for the overload pot, and prayer pots *all slayers should cannon if they have cannonballs so thats not in the elite vs not*) its like a lvl 100 taking super pots for goblins, sure you can argue it allows you to kill them .43423423 of a second faster but its not worth it. It is proven that extreme potting, cannon, and turmoiling is efficient on slayer at around 1m/hr or so. 1m/hr is so easy to make even without pro gear at something noob like dks. And .4323433432 seconds or w/e you said, with an average of 4.8 seconds per goblin kill, means that it increases the speed by around 10%. Assuming super sets cost 20k per hour to use, you would have to make 20k in 6 minutes, or 200k an hour for super pots to be efficient. If you come back and argue that a goblin takes more than 4.8 seconds to kill, I will laugh at you. Every braindead level 100 can make 200k an hour, so it is worth it to use super sets on goblins. The same applies to extremes/turmoil/cannoning, it is in fact worth it. Turmoil speeds you up 20% at a cost of 100k an hour. If you can make 100k in 10 minutes or 600k per hour turmoil is worth it. Chatoic rapier speeds things up 10% at a cost of 80k an hour. If you can make 80k in 6 minutes or 800k per hour rapier is worth it. Extremes speed up 15% and cost 50k an hour to use. If you can make 50k in around 7 minutes or less than 500k an hour extremes are worth it. Every cannonball shot is around 10 slayer experience for 300 gp. You average 40k slayer experience per hour, so it takes 4k cannonballs or 1.2m per hour to be worth it. None of this is taking into account that slayer monsters drop stuff, more kills per hour means more drops and money to cover the extra cost. Now that I took down your objective argument the only thing that remains is you subjective argument. The only way that you will be correct in your opinion is if you LIKE killing things slower and hitting lower. no, now dont get me wrong if you have it then its worth it. But the time to get turmoil/extremes/chaotic weapons isnt worth it if you dont already have it. I dont know the current prices so I will assume that given player A has 70 herb and prayer it will take 300-400mil to get his stats to overloads and turmoil respectively. Now our player makes 1mil an hour (be it whatever method he uses) it would still take him a very long time to these. Also to the not pro player in this example we can safely assume he does not get into pro dungeoneering groups, either is stuck with noobs or solos, so we can assume that the chaotic weapon will take sometime. I admit im rather ignorant of xp rates in dungeoneering so I will - assume - it takes him another 400 hours to get a chaotic weapon to slay with [feel free to tell me a more accurate xp rate for example guy in this sitution] So if it takes 800 hours this player couldve indeed gotten 99 slayer (assuming he was lvl 73 slayer, he would of needed to get 15k slayer xp an hour to get 99 in 800 hours) in the time it would take to get this. Perhaps im way off with the estimate, but at any rate 20% faster doesnt make up for the huge upfront cost of time and effort to get the top of the line stats. Not for training anyways... PS: the Goblin example was meant that a lvl 100 should 1 shot a goblin most of the time without the use of a potion, so it would be a waste really to pot up on it Soloig, I guess you could do 1,75 meds an hour with a normal pace. If soloing, that is. Personally, I'd duo in 2:1 with an higher or lower level to take advantage of the easy boss/monsters. 1,75 meds an hour is about 0,5 hours per med. If the average med floor (Say, 25-29) Gives 10k xp, that's 1750 tokens an hour. Assuming you find large teams to do dungeons in w117 (1h20 per dungeon (finding teams, bad teams, etc. factored in)) for floors 30+, at 45k xp per dungeon, that's 4500 tokens in 80 minutes, or 3375 tokens per hour. Assuming an average of floors 1-35 run (Max floor at 69, which would be "halfway" to 80 considering time, IMO), and 6 minutes/small c1 (Say 50 tokens each), smalls from 1-24, that'd be: Tokens: 50*24+1000*5+4500*6= 33 200 tokens per run. Time:[/b] [/i] 24*0.1+5*0.6+6*1,33=13,4 hours per run therefore, if you get 33k tokens in 13,4 hours on average from 1-80, it's an average of 2475 tokens an hour, or : 81 hours for 200k tokens That would be a very rough estimate of the time needed to get a chaotic rapier. It is very possible, at this hour, that my math could be a bit off on some places. feel free to correct. Also, this is a conservative estimate. The thruth for an average player is probably 75 hours, but anyway, the point was to prove that 400 hours was waaaaaay off.

[spoiler=Long quote] Love nostalgia. Always raises the question - WAS it actually better/more fun/more whatever back then, or is it just nostalgia speaking? Like, remember good things, forget bad things, and people remembering things a lot more fondly once it's a memory, and not an active experience. No, it's definitely the latter. i can log on rsc run to the wildy right now and tell you its not nostalgia, at least for me The fact that you can play it doesn't mean it's not nostalgia. If I still like the first Harry Potter book after reading it 25+ times, it is certainly an awesome book in it's own right, but it's mostly nostalgia.

Where's the h? Mel-ona tHe Scale. lol Ouch. Sorry then. :unsure:

Where's the h?

Lumbridge Range>All other ranges>Fires.

But back in my day, millionaires were the upper class.

I'm sure the guys at Jagex have not even decided who was that "Dark Lord" and are taking notes/having a good laugh (Probably a good laugh).

Anyways, pures deliberately chose not to be able to enjoy the whole content of the game. Quests are supposed to be for well-rounded players, the others just have to train.

DFS certainly is a great shield, but extremes are in another ballpark. Sell it, then use the money made to re-buy it. And I'm doing pretty much the same thing atm.

Racheya: Perhaps you didn't think about doing things you like in an efficient matter? Between making, say, super attack or super def (examples) pots, there really is no difference... Why not do the most efficient? Efficiency really only is knowing the opportunity cost of things, then choosing. That's all. EDIT: Great DYK, I never knew.

Until I recently spent a bit of points to buy runes to help me cover getting to extremes, I only used it to buy helm and skip/block tasks. And that's what I plan doing for the rest of it.

Strange, but I fail to see yours. Go for it, but don't fish in the guild if you want experience. You'd be better off fishing monks/shilo to 90 then rocktails. Better money/h and xp/h...How much better can it get?

According to google calculator, it really is 42. Just search it without the comma.

Very true, especially for the bolded/italic part. Make it be pretty much like any forex home trading platform, especially with bid and ask.

Zammy GWD is probably the best one to team with friends, If you'Re not tanking, you can stay a very long time even with low levels, but the drops are really not great. Still, very fun one.

They're not terrible money. They're better money than Mithril Bars. And obviously you're not focused on levelling it quickly if you go by my method, but it makes you money. Profit is profit, no matter what it is. It makes you money so you can't critique me upon my methods of money making.. 20k/hr is not profit, it's wasting time. How about you respect what I do.. and you can make more than 20K an hour, easily. And even if it is only 20K; 20K is 20K. Don't go running your mouth and stuff. I couldn't care less about how much money you can make; I can't even MAKE adamant bars. Look at my signiture. Do what you want and stop being an ass. :) How about you stop being an ass? Giving advice to do something very bad both xp-wise and gp-wise certainly isn't helpful. OP: Do whatever you want to get money then, if you want to train smith, superheat/smelt gold with gauntlets or get SC hammers and do mith bolts, if you like SC. 70 will be very quick to get. But so would 59 construction.