Dizzle229

Oh god Miniclip, haven't thought about that in years. I also remember when Addicting Games was just a white page with columns of blue text listing the games. Ant City ftw.

This is what I've been trying to say, except not only would "paranormal" not be provable, but it should be impossible by its very own definition. Then again, I suppose if it wasn't provable by our means, to say it's impossible is a little strange, now that you put it like that.

When people start a conversation with "by the way".

edit: to dizzle: Of course "ghost phenomenon" can exist. But they're not ghosts, or to make it more clear, paranormal activites. Doesn't this just fall into the category of "supernatural" when you say "paranormal"? As I've said, I believe the ghost phenomenon can exist AND be a perfectly natural thing that can eventually be studied, just one that we haven't been able to yet. There's an explanation for everything, it just may be hard to find. No argument here, that can be said for my point of view as well. Oh and things like the same halluzination by two people are possible, no problem. There's something that triggers a hallucination in your mind, and if you share the same experience/whatever it is, the same thing(idk, a small noise you hear unconsciously) can trigger the same, or rather, an almost identical halluzination. And shouldn't we be studying the how and why of the specifics of this? I'm still looking to for an explanation for video and EVP that we CAN'T find alternate explanations for. These things that we can't explain are what the "ghost" phenomenon is (most personal experiences are probably NOT this, or at least can't be reliably called this), but in order to get any further, we need to think about what exactly the ghost phenomenon is. For example, most people that believe in ghosts believe that they are the souls of the dead coming back to earth. This is an assumption. An "apparition" caught on a thermal camera, which experts have attempted and failed to replicate, is an observation. (for the above example, I mean thermal "ghost" images in general, not a specific one) The observation of course, DOES have an explanation, as anything, understood or otherwise, must. We just need to find it. A discussion on OT, imagine that. It's been a while :razz:

I've read that article, it was pretty good. I generally only think of video/thermal/EVP as actual evidence, which must then tested until you have no idea, at which point it can be labelled potential evidence. One of the usual "personal experiences" that I have a big problem with (haven't read the article since it was posted, this may actually be on there) is the "I woke up and couldn't move, then saw things." Sounds WAY too much like sleep paralysis to be taken seriously. For the people that dismiss it as "everything has an explanation, therefore no ghosts", not disagreeing with the statement that everything has a reason, but the whole "ghost" phenomenon does not have to be "supernatural". In fact, as I said in the main post, I think that by definition, if something exists, then it is not supernatural. I also think that if there is such a thing as a ghost, that we have no idea what it actually IS, and, as was said before, nothing can actually be considered a science until such a time when we know MUCH more, if that time comes at all. Although I am convinced from what I've seen that there's something to it though, I don't consider it unreasonable that some people don't buy it.

On the topic of stories we know, I have one that doesn't count as evidence, but still kind of creepy. I had a cousin who, when he was alone in the house with his mother, would often play in the backyard with her. She says that until he was about 6 he would sometimes wave at the "man in the window", who she never saw.

Hm. If Shane stays stable after this episode he might actually survive the season.

>Doctor always says I'm overweight. >Read Thinner by Stephen King. >Doctor says I lost 8 pounds quickly. >GAH

This, it's EVP's, video/thermal and stuff that are the most convincing IMO. As for that EVP you mentioned... post? :thumbsup:

That the Gives Me Hope site is unintentionally the most depressing thing ever. All of them: "Someone that doesn't deserve to have a shitty life does. But at least they're always smiling for the sake of others!"

Disagree. Agree. Something I absolutely hate: "Psychic Mediums". Rather, I hate that people are willing to give them money. They way I think an investigation should be run is with cameras, recorders, and things you can later play back and try to replicate. A "psychic" is someone you hand a small fortune to so they can walk in with you and say "Yep, definitely haunted", and walk out with your cash.

Yes, but it was more of a blog type of thing rather than asking people what they think. Even before the end of that thread, interest within our group turned more to exploring abandoned areas rather than the idea of paranormal investigations (we had a couple of things happen, but nothing that we didn't find a more likely explanation for.) We continue to do the exploring, but the actual ghost hunting is an idea that has only recently resurfaced. The thread ended because I didn't think there'd be as much interest in a "look at the abandoned place" thread.

Hoping to create a discussion worthy thread in order to give OT a little kick. What are your views on the existence or investigation of "ghosts"? I think we had something like this years ago, but I can't remember exactly when. I say "ghosts" and not paranormal, because IMO the title of paranormal doesn't really work. If something exists, then it just seems to follow that is has SOME scientific explanation, regardless of whether or not we've figured it out. Personally: I'm not going to lie, I really, REALLY want to believe there's something to it, but it would be a little dishonest with myself to say that I believe there is. I think evidence is sufficient to warrant a lot of looking into it, but absolutely nothing can be assumed, because if there is any truth to it, none of the evidence collected really guarantees anything. Gained interest in making this thread after recently getting into Ghost Adventures, and while I like the show, I've been a little annoyed at the way they present their EVP evidence. Some of them are actually pretty good, but sometimes the interpretations and subtitles they give them are a MASSIVE stretch. In the meantime, this is somewhat amusing. (Guy had the site rigged.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8RTX8Y-uRg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGFeAsQbMAo&feature=related

Lick all the neat stuff in the cabinet under the sink.

Since I avoid those pesky humans at all costs, it's recently got annoying with a couple of people that seemingly want to talk to me 24/7. *Steam Vchat* *Ignore* Me: I'll call you after dinner. Them: K *10 mins later another Vchat. I don't answer* Them: U there? Them: Hello? Them: You finish dinner yet? I SAID I WILL CALL YOU AFTER DINNER. Let's play a logic game. I will call you after dinner. If I do not call, then I have not finished dinner.

Being self-aware IMO is also a few points in his favor.

RL trolling opportunity. Sprinkle some of that dust on yourself and turn everything in the room off. Slump over in some corner and close the door. When someone opens it, reach out with a trembling hand and say "Oh thank God!

Not really a movie, but I wasn't sure where to put this. Watched all 26 in 2 days, really liked them. Too cheap to buy the comic though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku-vdR_zZhM&feature=related

I'm in the middle of Catholic Town, so it may or may not be regional.

...global warming?

So today I was again reminded of how much I hate receiving gifts. I'm really grateful for free stuff, but I cannot show any emotion without feeling like it looks like I'm horribly faking it.

I know someone who claims he can speak Russian, German, and Spanish in addition to English. His English is only slightly above average, and he knows about one sentence in each of the other three.

The fact that, at 16 years of age, two of my friends have just entered the "cursing makes me cool" stage. -.-

Woo, king of complaining! :thumbsup:

I actually had to pause this. Kids are the only people I really care for (although she's a bit older), and this made me rage.