How so? And if so, what do you suggest as an update to the Guthans method? Brews, Enhanced Excalibur, SGS, Soul Split. With 99 defense i was able to get to jad on EE heals and a few brew sips. So it is not so much outdated as it is inferior to other methods at higher levels of skills and equipment. The Guthans method is still viable for those without those abilities/equipment options, is it not?