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Well i'm not too far off my current goal of 99 Attack. After this i which to get 99 Ranged using a method which is both a fast-ish way of gaining Exp and Money. Two options come to mind. Aviansies and Green Dragons. Aviansies. Avg. Hp - 76 Avg. Exp per Kill - 304 Avg. Money per drop - 3 300gp (Assuming you get 1 Adamantite Bar per kill aswell as 1k worth of Alchables every drop). Aviansies needed for 99 Ranged - 14 050 Total gp gained - 14 050 * 3 300 = 46 365 000 On avg. i will use 1 B2P Tab for every 16 Kills. That mean i will use a total of 879 B2P tabs(lets just say 900 to be safe).I will lose about 4 Black Knives per Kill which means i will need about 56 200 Black Knives. I also estimate Alch Runes for every 5th Kill which means ill need 2810 Nature Runes[lets say 2850 to be safe)[Assuming i use a Staff of Fire]. 900 * 1170 = 1 053 000gp for B2P Tabs 56 200 * 65 = 3 653 000gp for Black Knives 2850 * 240 = 684 000 gp for Nature Runes Total cost - 1 053 000 + 3 653 000 + 648 000 = 5 354 000gp Estimated Profit of 99 Ranged - 46 365 000 - 5 354 000 = 41 011 000 **I can buy all the needed supplies beforehand and camp there the entire time without once having to leave the cave. I estimate 1 kill every 25 seconds which means it will take me a total of 98 hours. Green Dragons. Hp - 79 Exp per Kill - 316 Avg Money per drop - 2 370(Dragon Bone) + 1 695(Green Dragonhide) = 4 065 (This excludes the Ranarrs and Nature Runes i usually pick up) Green Dragons needed for 99 Ranged - 13 500 Total gp gained - 13 500 * 4 065 = 54 877 500 I will get 21 Hides and Bones on Avg. per trip which means i will do a total of 643 trips (Lets say 645 to be safe). Each trip i will use 1 Monk fish, 2 doses od Antifire Potion and 2 doses of Ranging Potion ( I will need a total of 323 Ranging and Antifire Potions). I will use a new War Tortoise every 3 Trips(a 215 War Tortoises) total of aswell as take 1 dose of Summoning Potion (a total of 54 Summoning Potions). 1 Games necklace will last me 8 trips(a total of 1688 Games Necklaces, lets say 1690 to be safe). Lets also say use 4 Black Knives per Dragon meaning i will need 54 000 Black Knives. 645 * 365 = 235 425gp for Monkfish. 323 * 1930 = 623 390gp for Ranging Potions. 323 * 985 = 318 115gp for Antifire Potions. 215 * 5 910 = 1 270 650gp for War Tortoises. 54 * 2110 = 113 940gp for Summoning Potions. 1690 * 1100 = 1 859 000gp for Games Necklaces. 54 000 * 65 = 3 510 000gp for Black Knives. Total cost - 235 425 + 623 390 + 318 115 + 1 270 650 + 113 940 + 1 859 000 + 3 510 000 = 7 930 520. Estimated Profit of 99 Ranged - 54 877 500 - 7 930 520 = 46 946 980 **I should be able to kill one Dragon every 30 seconds (this includes the time taken for banking and assuming none of my kills are stolen.) which means its going to take me a total of 113 hours to reach 99 Ranged. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So based on this information (assuming it is anywhere near correct), which would be the better option? More money? Or less time? Which would you choose? Is there any fault to my calculations? Does all of this seem right? Thanks in advance.

Yeah both the above mentioned are decent for crimsons, also try Greater and Black Demons aswell Cockroach Soldiers.

Whats he been doing with that wrist of his ;) Unspam: finally 130

Hope that helps a bit.

After making several sets of gear and comparing them to the ranged tanking method, I came to the conclusion you need 200+ ranged defense to efficiently tank. However, getting this really takes down your mage attack value. Down to around 20-30. Void magic is only usefull in set. With the set, you can't have any torag items on, considerably lowering ranged defense posibility. So no, this won't be a good method I think. Along with something like the E E, Crystal Shield or DFS it could be possible, but this gets a bit expencive :P Biggest problem comes into play that it is a way to play, just.. very very few will actually use it. Mage tanking just gets tricky ;) But you can do some tests with the 20-30 magic bonus, see if its still profitable then. A while back when i first though about wrting the guide i was told that any +mage bonus is good enough. It wont make much of a difference whether or not its 10 or 100. I find this highly unlikely though. I'll make sure to play around with it and get it tested though.

Geyser titan is when combat familiars start getting amazing. Plus, I personally think pack yak is better overall then unicorn. As stated the Geyser titan and Pack Yak are great familiars to have. The iron/steel titans also have awesome specs when used with a slayer helm. Great for tasks that you pray on. Also the wolpentinger is great in the chaos tunnels due to them taking such a small area. For most slayer tasks unicorn is pretty much over kill on healing. Bunyips and the elemental titans work just fine. Places that a uni really only shine are bosses. Such as the gwd bosses, the Dag Kings, and even the Tormented Demons. Yeah i plan on using them mainly for GWD. Should help me out alot at Arma and Bandos. It would come in handy at tasks like Black Demons too though and even at aviansies.

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In general, slayer may not compete with AZs in terms of exp/hr but I make more than 100k gp per hour via slayer. Here and there you might get lucky on a task and make 500k Profit, but then you get tasks were you make a loss, barely brake even, etc. And then there are always those tasks that are such slow exp making you loose out in the end. My personal option is to max out my Melee and then do Slayer. This way i won't always be looking at the Exp rate because it will not be needed anymore. I think slayer will be much more of a joy this way.

Yessss this is what i wanted. 18mil and 11k Crimsons looks like the fastest/best way :)

I can only help you with a few of your goals. 85 in all Melee skills...well i would go for AZ's. Better Exp and better money. At 70k+ exp and 100k+ money an hour if beats Slayer. Not much can be said about your 6th goal seeing as you dont have one ;) 90+ Ranged and Def for Arma is really the best imo. If you go in a team of 4+ 85 def might do it, but 90+ is still what i reccomond. I got lucky getting 2 kills per trip with 90 Ranged and 95 Def. 72 Prayer really isnt going to be much different from 70, so unless you're going for something like 80, 85, 90 then 72 isnt worth it. Getting Brawlers isnt easy. Getting e specific type of brawlers makes it even harder. There is nothing that determines the type you get, so hoping for a pair of agility brawlers might take you anyting from 1 kill - 10k kills and beyond.

yeah should not really be of much worry to me now. I intend to get 99 Ranged, 99 Mage and 90 Prayer first. I might oly get 88 Summoning in a month or two, just want to plan things out so long. How much money is needed etc.

Granite lobsters are more exp and faster then stranger plants. You get 70% of the shards back. Not sure on the costs as it varies depending on your playing style. So if i get 70% of the Shards back i can shave a 70% of the total cost of shrads. That means: 57 688 370gp * 70% = 40 381 859gp. 57 688 370gp - 40 381 859 = 17 306 511gp. So already its starting to look much better. I'm sure that making Granite Lobsters will take that number down even more right?

Only reason im intent on using Stranger Plants is because they seem to be the best Exp. They will get me to 88 Faster than anything else. I'm really no pro at Summoning so if someone could help me out a bit whit what to make i would appreciate it. As for the 58Mil, thats when not swapping in any Pouches. You get 1/3 of the Shards used back right? Is it more? Or less? This will cut down costs alot. If i may ask Philip, what is your plan from 69 - 88? what are you making/did you make?

Should i stick with making Stranger Plants till 88? Or should i keep on doing the best i can? Money wont be that much of an issue as i can easily make it with Aviansies, GWD, etc. And yeah Waterfiends arent THAT bad, i just think 10k + of them might bore me. EDIT: According to the Tip.it Calculator i need 13 201 Crimson Charms for 88 Summoning making only Stranger Plants. I already have 1984 so that leaves me with a remaining 11 217 to get. Each Stranger Plant requires 1 Bagged Plant and 128 Shards. 128 * 13 201 = 1 689 728 Shards. 1 689 728 * 25 = 42 243 200gp 13 201 * 1 170gp = 15 445 170gp 42 243 200 + 15 445 170 = 57 688 370gp So its going to cost me just short of 58Mil to get 88 Summoning if i dont switch my Pouches/Scrolls for Shards. Does this look right? Is this the best way of getting to 88?

After making several sets of gear and comparing them to the ranged tanking method, I came to the conclusion you need 200+ ranged defense to efficiently tank. However, getting this really takes down your mage attack value. Down to around 20-30. Void magic is only usefull in set. With the set, you can't have any torag items on, considerably lowering ranged defense posibility. So no, this won't be a good method I think. Along with something like the E E, Crystal Shield or DFS it could be possible, but this gets a bit expencive :P

No.. No they arent. Look at mah guide. The spot i use is never full. Most ive seen was 1 lvl 80 trying to KS... Boy did he fail.

I'm interrested in getting 88 Summoning when i eventually have the money. I'll only want to use Crimson Charms as they are the best vallue for money. I have just short of 2K of them atm. How much more will i need? I couldnt find a decent calculator anywhere. Can someone link me to one? Also, aside from Waterfiends, whats the next best crimson dropper? I'm pretty sure getting a large ammount of Charms at Fiends is going to be a boring task so i'll want a few alternatives. Thanx in advance :) EDIT: Is there any reason i should even go beyond 88 Summoning?

LMFAO :lol: PWNT. This almost made my day!

Another tip i forgot to mention. For those who lack experience here is a very handy tip. As the game starts and you are the hunter take the stone and head to any place you wish to hide. Wait for your target to apear in the mini map before you make any moves. as soona s you see him use your tele orb and teleport to the centre. once in the center run the opisite direction which you came from and head into the closest house. Once in the house tele port and then wait in the house till you see your opponent. chances are high that he is not going to stay in the center long because you wont be seen. wait till he heads out of range then step out of the house portal and head to the middle. your opponent should have fallen into your trap and be running on the edge looking for you. wait till you see him and then repeat. house > wait > middle. This works, not 100% all of the time but it DOES work. Look at my rating if you have any doubts.

Yeah i will get this tested soon as i get 99Atk and 99Ranged. Hope you werent being snotty to me. The colours i used are on the pallet thank you very much. And as for the...idiot...who says Addy bars are 'rare'...well rare = not dropped often. addy bars are dropped very very often thus making them...not a rare #-o

Wow, with my stats i only manage to get 75k an hour, on the other hand i am using Combat Potions and not paying much attention.

When i was F2P i was adicted to Fist of Guthix. I used to play it more often than anything else. Not having alot of things to spend my tokens on i would ussualy buy Runecrafting gloves with them (Earth Gloves). I found this to be very much worth it. In a day i could ussually have gained about 1k - 1.5k points resulting in a decent ammount of gloves. I would RC the next day and get upto 3 times the ammount of Exp i would have in a day without the Gloves. So i would say yes, the gloves are well worth it.

Thanks, thats the one i was looking at earlier. But one question tho, what about the rune defender argument? I hear that using whip+def is about the best, if not the best. OR is that only if you're maxed melees? well i have tested both rune def + Whip and BGs out. I found then Whip + rune def was better. Lower hits but better accuracy.

It all depends on yourself really. Both are very usefull in their own ways. I find that the Crystal Shiel works really well against Aviansies, the Crystal Bow on the other hand is really handy for Waterfiends, etc.

I will admit my goals are rather on the ridiculous No-Lifing side but here goes: 99 Attack 99 Ranged 90 - 99 Magic 90 Prayer (or just enough money for it) 85 Slayer (or as close as i can get) 150mil total bank vallue If i stay focused this should take me about a month and a half or 2 months.