Ok, this cannot be called debate since it's all about perception. Perception of a pro-mod, and perception of an anti-mod. It's like a debate about religion or politics, it's all about impression of the debaters about the topic at hand -- not facts versus another facts of the same intensity yet opposing sides. For me, if an individual keeps on looking at the "bad side" of everything -- he/she subconciously focus only with the negative stuff --- that's how a human brain works;) Think of a pure white paper, with two or three black dots on it. A negative thinker will always point out the flaws due to those dots, while a positive thinker will still consider the paper good. Right now, all I see on this thread -- after observing it for a week is it just going circles. I say there's no point of continuing, as arguments used by both sides basically are majorly based on personal biased perception. We see the same thing but interpret it differently, it is based with our "programming" -- the environment we are used to, how we are raised and the influential people that surrounds us. That's why this type of thread is not allowed to be posted at Runescape Official Forums, because it does not produce something productive -- it just breeds flaming, after flaming after flaming. Since this is a fansite and have relaxed rules, we end up seeing namecalling and flamebating like crazy:P I say it again folks, this thread died since the first post. Thank you for reading.