I do re-call a few months ago we did pvp fights that were mandatory and started with like 137 opts and got down to 75 opts in an hour.... I gaurntee you guys have been in pvp longer than we have sense we only opened 1 month ago. If you are talking about loyalty I don't really care tbh. I left Downfall for these certain reasons; 1. When I was council people posted ideas then the council+ responded with that they thought then the topic would just sit there without anything being down. 2. As I stated already you guys pull decent to begining pvp wars then just lose it all within the 1 hour time span. 3. I found interest in pvp clans so I left. 4. Downfall seems friendly but it's not even close to being friendly, when I left Dan started raging at me for stupid crap and so did some of the other people in Df that I thought were "Friends". Amanda, you should try to keep loyal to your friends. It will get you far in life. Maybe you should of stayed loyal to your friends, you had already left Downfall 3 times, and i literally got you back in DF when you told me "Downfall will be my last clan", maybe you should go think about who your true friends are before questioning other people. Also when you got council (ya u can thank me for that 2) you had the authority to make changes and propose new ideas, you failed to do so. Im really curious who are your so called "True" friends? Hope your having fun Tim. nice post count, and congratz on a completely idiotic post :thumbup: