Jehosaphat

Yes, but were they right in taking someone's stuff with nothing (well, nothing worthwhile) in return? I mean, figuring out how to break into someone's house and steal their TV could be pretty ingenious, but that's considered a crime even if they returned the TV. :-k He never said it was right. He was only commenting on the skill it requires to scam - morality is pretty irrelevant. True. And I didn't say he said it was right. I was just saying that while it may be intelligent, it's not necessarily morally correct. And while it requires some skill, I don't want those skills because having those skills would mean I would have had practice in the art of deception, which I definitely don't want.

Yes, but were they right in taking someone's stuff with nothing (well, nothing worthwhile) in return? I mean, figuring out how to break into someone's house and steal their TV could be pretty ingenious, but that's considered a crime even if they returned the TV. :-k

Better yet, how about you don't get the kill at all, since somebody else actually dealt the final blow. All you did was fight them previously. Well, what about poison? Then nobody would get the drop...

"Fix" as in make them think you're slightly psychotic...?

Hm, was my "best way this will end" argument on this board, or a different one....? I'm going to do the same now. Good bye, good night, good riddance, good karma, good food, good service, yada yada yada.

Your comparison is invalid. You said you agreed to stop arguing on this thread, then you post an argument defending yourself when 3rkid spoke. You contradicted yourself. I don't really want him to drop it. I'm saying that if he's going to tell us what to do, then he should do it himself too. You just misunderstood the context in which I was using the word "and". #-o Really? I could've sworn I was pointing out your obvious self-contradiction. Well, I guess we read things differently.

And then.... Speak for yourself, I guess..... Shouldn't this be moved to the debates forum, since that's all that's happening here now?

Uhh.... anyone else seem to see a problem with this?

Yes, it is a good thing to learn from your mistakes, but it's better to not have to make the mistakes in the first place. That way, you spare yourself from feeling stupid enough to fall for a scam, and the scammers end up with zilch. Everyone wins, except the scammers. And scammers can just go earn money honestly then, unless they're complaining about not being able to scam, in which case they're wasting their time. Run-on sentence, anyone?

*watches the fight like a tennis match* Remind me what the point of all this arguing is?

I'd apply, but I have a pretty much nil chance of getting in due to lack of posts and such. Ah well. That, and with that much power, I'd probably hyperventilate or something. :thumbsup:

Wait... what's the argument about now? :?

Picking fights on the internet? Jeez wouldn't want to mess with you IRL :roll: Runescape is full of idiots. If you can't mentally ignore people, the ignore list works a charm. As a general rule, it isn't worth arguing with an idiot, it just drops you to their level half the time. "Never argue with an idiot, they'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." I forget who quoted that, but it fits perfectly here.

=D> Seriously, isn't it annoying when the adults blame the kids for being idiots, then go off and prove that they themselves are idiots? So, the question that comes out of this is: Is a kid who gets called an idiot by an adult who really IS an idiot, is the kid still an idiot, or does the judgment of the idiot reverse itself?

I'm not saying my age, but I will say that I would be in the "younger" age category. I haven't really had any issues with idiots on Runescape so far, mainly because I forget to turn public chat back on after a trip to the World 2 GE. My biggest problem was with someone who was cursing at my brother. Anyways, I have realized a few things as I have lived my life: 1. Teenage males, for the majority, are complete and total jerks/idiots/whatever. Thank God I'm part of the mature minority. 2. Teenage males are the people most likely to be playing violence-based video games, such as Halo, Call of Duty, even Runescape(although Runescape is a bit milder.) Thus, concluding logically, most of Runescape is going to be made up of idiots/jerks/{insert derogatory term for stupid and/or annoying here}. It also bothers me that women on Runescape get treated.... badly for lack of a better word. Yes, I'm a guy, and I'm one of the (current) minority who believes that chivalry isn't dead, it's just less violent. And since it's less violent, guys have less incentive to accept it, and the rest is... well, not history, because it's happening now. Also, this should probably be shifted to the "Player Behavior" sticky topic.

Ah, humor. Okay then. :lol: Not bloodthirsty... anti-pixel thirsty, maybe. :D

[hide=reply stack] =D> Way to go. Kids, in general and on average, aren't really that dull/thick/whatever. They just don't know the difference between a lie and the truth. I know, that was just a summarization. The good part is yet to come. Scamming is lying. There, it's out there. Even if you think it's not, scamming IS LYING. Lying, in and of itself, is practicing deceitful behavior. So stretching the truth to get a little bit ahead is just as cruel and dishonest as blatantly lying. I would write more, but a lot of what I would write would be true or untrue based on your religion. So, I'll write a "politically correct" version.Since being "politically correct" means phrasing things in terms of the basic evolutionary theory, I'll do that too. Since we, technically, evolved from rocks, there should be no morals at all. But humanity has evolved to a point where ethics and morals have developed. These ethics and morals (not murdering, NOT LYING, not injuring a fellow human, etc.) are all based off of helping our fellow man and continuing to keep the human race in existence. So, by defying the ethics of lying by scamming another, you are essentially wanting to halt the progress of the evolution of that person's bloodline's section of the human race. Now, if you believe that ethics and morals come from somewhere else than continuing to keep the human race in existence, then you should know that lying is just plain wrong and DON'T DO IT. By essentially removing scamming almost entirely with the trade limits and the GE, Jagex has made defying the moral law of honesty in the digital world they created less possible. And how is that BAD....? Agreed. Kids are not "stupid" or "dumb" or whatever. They just lack experience. I started playing this game below 13 too, and I usually spoke MUCH BETTER English (though of course not perfect) than some idiots (hint, hint!). I'm speaking the truth that I never got scammed. But that's probably because the time I started Runescape, jagex already had put in lots of measures to stop scamming. I remember an idiot who pretended to be my friend but his ulterior motive was to get my pass to hack my account. LOL. What a stupid scam. I mean he said directly "come on, please tell me your pass". I'll rofl if anyone fell for that. [/hide] I got scammed once or twice due to lack of experience. Believe me, it's not fun knowing some guy just took your account because you didn't know that Jagex would let you type your password backwards. :( Also, :lol: at the guy deliberately asking for you password.

I haven't finished reading it yet, but these were my first 2 reactions when I started: 1. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: 2. You make some decent points here, and know how to add a bit of humor. You could probably find a job as a pro speaker if you're not afraid of heights.... Let's hope the rest of it is just as good. EDIT: Afraid of heights, what the junk? How'd THAT get in there? I meant fear of speaking in front of crowds... Also, finished reading and have one thing to say: Other than some of the (slightly offensive) language being overused, that was a rather good piece of literature.

=D> Way to go. Kids, in general and on average, aren't really that dull/thick/whatever. They just don't know the difference between a lie and the truth. I know, that was just a summarization. The good part is yet to come. Scamming is lying. There, it's out there. Even if you think it's not, scamming IS LYING. Lying, in and of itself, is practicing deceitful behavior. So stretching the truth to get a little bit ahead is just as cruel and dishonest as blatantly lying. I would write more, but a lot of what I would write would be true or untrue based on your religion. So, I'll write a "politically correct" version.Since being "politically correct" means phrasing things in terms of the basic evolutionary theory, I'll do that too. Since we, technically, evolved from rocks, there should be no morals at all. But humanity has evolved to a point where ethics and morals have developed. These ethics and morals (not murdering, NOT LYING, not injuring a fellow human, etc.) are all based off of helping our fellow man and continuing to keep the human race in existence. So, by defying the ethics of lying by scamming another, you are essentially wanting to halt the progress of the evolution of that person's bloodline's section of the human race. Now, if you believe that ethics and morals come from somewhere else than continuing to keep the human race in existence, then you should know that lying is just plain wrong and DON'T DO IT. By essentially removing scamming almost entirely with the trade limits and the GE, Jagex has made defying the moral law of honesty in the digital world they created less possible. And how is that BAD....?

I don't completely agree that IQ means nothing, but I do agree that it in no way fully measures intelligence. (A bit ironic since IQ stands for "Intelligence Quotient"...) And what you said about PKers, is... well..... a bit of a violent way of putting it. :o They're people who enjoy going against other people in a more obvious and physical manner than skilling competition, which mostly consists of checking the high scores every so often. They like a bit more of a physical and strategic fight. And yes, PKing IS a strategic competition. Just look at pures, semi-pures, mains specifically constructed for PvP, etc. Anyways, yeah, it's a bad idea to go around asking random people to do the retribution trick with you. D claws anyone? And it is a better idea to do the retribution trick with a trusted friend, seeing as how the people you would be doing it with probably don't want to, as you mentioned. Also, do you have an issue with PKers or something? Because I wouldn't exactly describe "aggressive back-stabbing psychopaths who want little more than to gut you and take your loot" as an endearing term. You made a good point, props to you. =D> And I agree that a higher IQ doesn't make you any better than anyone else, and the same goes for huge muscles, strategic genius, etc. Also, all people ARE NOT created equal, but they ARE created with equal rights. You have just as much right to a job as the homeless guy on the street, you just may have specific advantages toward getting a certain job. (Example: being a naturally talented artist will probably help you better towards getting a job at an art studio than having a great memory.) True, we can all become better at just about everything, but there is a point where we can't get any better without natural talent or an act of God. Fear also plays a part in the point of no advance.(Example: I can practice speaking all I want, I'm still going to be afraid of getting up in front of people and making a fool of myself.) I really have nothing more to say about this post, other than good job on making a worthwhile point.

Law tablets are good. But if you don't want to play GOP, then use a dueling ring to Castle Wars, get essences, talisman/tiara, another dueling ring if necessary, and 1 normal log. Take the Balloon Network to Entrana, make your law runes, then teleport back to Castle Wars and repeat.

...That's weird. I think that Jagex messed with the trees or something, because I was attacked by that tree as well... However, I have found a new spot for those needing to do this clue. It works just as well, you just have to be sure to keep away and/or annihilate any vampires.

Actually, he wasn't in the right place. Go a little more eastwards, there will be a place that look almost identical to where you were. Look at the location of the transportation sign in both your picture and the one that Tip.It has showing you where to go. Yeah, they need to mark that spot or something so that this doesn't happen. -.-

From what I've seen and heard, there are pretty much 4 types of PKer. 1. The people who PK for profit, This would be the person assigned as your target. They will run if they can't make a profit off of a kill. 2. The honour PKers. These people, such as yourself, do not mind dying to a superior and PK because... well, it's fun for you, it lets out your anger, etc. 3. The people who you get as a target and then just run around the Wilderness, no matter who you are or what you say, until you get too annoyed and log out. For some reason, they consider it fun to aggravate others. 4. The type of PKer, such as myself, that are a mix of the three. I do PK for profit (sometimes), and will do what I can to keep myself from death. However, if I do die, then I see it as dying to a superior, and send my killer a message saying "Thank you for making it a good fight." Seriously. Oh, and if someone starts acting like a jerk while attacking me (example: calling me various obscene names...) I will run just to make his day a pain in return for his comments. And also, what you said about "what happened to honour," some people prefer to make a profit rather than have the honour of dying to a superior. See PKer 1. Back on-topic: I'm rather annoyed by the lack of respect people have for... well, just generally everybody. I mean, seriously, would it kill you to not take everything someone says in a perverted sense? Or at least not MENTION your distorted thoughts? Because then everybody starts doing it, and that area temporarily turns into a mental landfill. (Beware the metaphor!) So yeah, show some common courtesy. And, for you guys, chivalry is NOT dead, it's just less violent.

So, what you're saying is Jagex made it less possible to get ill-gotten gains. And you're complaining about it....? You're saying you WANT scammers to be out there annoying the heck out of everybody? Are you saying that you WANT people to be lured into the Wild just because they haven't even played the game for a stinkin' 15 minutes? (I speak from experience, by the way) Are you saying that you want the game to be filled with cyber-criminals? Oh, by the way, "dumb kids like you" happen to actually have enough maturity to spell and use proper grammar. Sorry, I'm a bit of an English freak. It bothers me when I have to squint to read what you're saying. At least use a spellchecker.