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SGS is also over rated for its price. It might add flexibility, but for 70M? nty. For Barrows, SOL is much better, since you don't have to pray again dharok when you farcast with spec protecting you from his 500's. SGS might work, but SOL is far more useful (and cheaper). I... Don't kill mole... so whatever. I do duel Tourneys as well, and a special weapon (D Claws/AGS/DDS) far eclipses any healing SGS does for you, since Soul Split + Turmoil Works way better. And yea, AGS is way too expensive for its price. SGS is better than AGS everywhere except GWD and PKing, but in those two places, AGS really counts, so it does deserve to be more expensive than SGS. I've tried SGS pking with soul split, and it pwns, but AGS pking is much better -- almost unfair with all the 600's Ive seen.

You'd need to SAVE 22.6k bunyips to make SGS worth it there. Bring 1 p pot a task and you can use berserker 100% anyways. If you have any skills at TDs, SGS is useless. AGS/claws are better. More damage, fewer shield raises, more kills/hr. Banking isn't really a factor at TDS. Essentially, you have a psychological attachment to your SGS, but little practical use. Just started using Claws at TD's... What have I been doing there without them, lol. Almost 2k kills logged without claws, and my kill speed is literally 15 seconds faster with them. Edit @ your edit: My kill speed is the same, no matter what, since I take two ext sets, and they outlast my prayer pots (I bring 10 per trip. 1 sip per kill, always). SGS makes Prayer Points last a bit longer, but it barely ever adds more than 4 kills or so a trip. I like D Claws way better.

[hide] [/hide] You're bound to get 2-3 items a day if you barrows regularly (except for horrible dry streaks), but usually not that good. Enjoy it while it lasts :D

You didn't get an item...? Blasphemy. Runescape must be broken.

Examples? Edit: Forgot TD's. SGS is win for TD's, since it can get you about 3-4 extra kills/trip. If a monster is too tough for Soul Split, it's too tough for SGS, in which case I'd rather use a healing familiar. Well, this is about which weapon is more efficient. What you enjoy doing more doesn't apply to anything. Also, D Claws are much better than DDS because DDS has horrible accuracy and strength. Edit @ yuriqiu: BGS is a horrible weapon for Corp. You barely ever hit more than a 20, which is obviously less than 5% of Corp's total defense. If it's obviously less than 5%, then DL is the better option.

SGS is only useful in slayer, and I can't remember when I used a healing familiar for slayer, either. I almost always have a combat familiar or yak out. For healing, I use Soul Split, which is a lot more useful than SGS. I use D Claws for specs, yes, but I could ask you the same thing. Do you use SGS for specs and combat? If so, I have some bad news for you... I almost always use whip for slayer (the only place where you can argue SGS is useful for), and D Claws for special.

The value of d claws is severely overestimated when it comes to fighting tough critters. It has a nice special but it is still a weak weapon that misses frequently -- you're talking a difference of about 75 points in both accuracy and strength. The SGS also has an undocumented bonus that comes into play in its special that appears to increase damage -- I always get higher hits with the special. If the goal is speed then it's necessary to look at everything in context. An SGS allows you to cut down on travel and banking time, and to save money on not just supplies but by being able to use a beast of burden to carry drops instead of a healing familiar. You can also use boosting prayers to enhance combat more easily. With a good familiar, healing with SGS is worthless. That leaves the prayer, which doesn't make much of a difference, considering you're giving up the chance to D Claw or DDS for around 10 P Points. And, yes, D Claws are amazing. You say SGS has an "undocumented" power boost, but I think that D Claws also have an undocumented accuracy boost. I almost NEVER miss with them using extremes+turmoil. I take them to Bandos GWD and even Sara GWD, and it almost always hits. It may have lesser attack bonuses, but it still outhits every other special weapon in the game (except for VLS).

Lagged. Thought the spec looked cool.

I've always wanted to use ol's at td's... When extremes get down to below 117 stats or so, kills speed down a lot.

Trolling doesn't work if you suck at it. Also, GL.

I can see clearly now, the dry streak has gone. I can see all Dragon Claw drops in my way. (or just more armor pieces...)

There's no solo Bandos Hilt + 5 BCP's in your inven...?

It looks like a failed Trident... Well, it is from an angle. I don't have the other two staves; would you care to post those as well? At Bandos, but I never knew they changed them... They kind of look lifeless now.

It looks like a failed Trident...

A few pics I want to share... First of all, I'd like to mark 4/04/10 as the date I broke my almost 1k dry TD streak... With this Was epic :D Also required a lot of hopping because my favorite world was laggy, world 2 was laggy, and some noob lured 5 TD's on me in another... But BAM! Also, I got a random, and the prize didn't have an EXP lamp option... I just got scammed out of 690 RC exp... WTF Jagex Also, my epic Menagerie ft. Random Pets Spring Break is starting off to be really good...

Was he going berserk? Yup. OWAIT, THAT PIC YOU QUOTED IS DIFFERENT NOW. HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? Finally!!! :> Also got 72 prayer from the zeal reward, double-woot! Lol, very nice :D

Dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmn. I want Ely now... Well, I've always wanted Ely, lol.

[hide] wtf is with that arma setup? just about to ask that What's the tar for? And why sharks............................. Was trying out black sally for teh lulz. For some reason.... It kind of sucks... Lol. Also, I don't even know why I bring brews. I never use them over EE and Unicorns, even in trio. I take 7 brews tops, but I usually have like 5. that doesn't explain the sharks, the lack of prayer restoring items, or the verac's skirts... and I think that guy with a yak has dboots... [/hide] That's a karil's skirt. I don't need p pots.super restores, either, unless my team epically sucks (I only join pro trios/4-mans), and I need something to heal, at least. Brews are overkill, but I take sharks just because. Usually, I replace all but like 3 sharks with ext range pots (not 92 herblore yet...). Edit: Those are rangers. You're looking at his dfs. Also, that obby shield dude has obby shield for some reason, lol. This is a forum team.

wtf is with that arma setup? just about to ask that What's the tar for? And why sharks............................. Was trying out black sally for teh lulz. For some reason.... It kind of sucks... Lol. Also, I don't even know why I bring brews. I never use them over EE and Unicorns, even in trio. I take 7 brews tops, but I usually have like 5.

It's awesome, but also saddening because I know I'll need like 4 more of those to afford 99 smithing and a nice dungeon, lol. Edit: Also, note the 10kc.

... *ragequit* I should hit up Bandos, lol. People getting mad lucky for some reason... That's like, what, 100M in like 150 collective kills on these forums? Nah I think I was around 200 dry before that one, aswell as tons of bs drops from dks. I mean come on 6 seercull 1 axe from supreme? I averaged Bacon's luck with yours, even though that seems a bit.. unfair. I firmly believe Bacon haxxed RuneScape somehow.

A running one. [/endsmartassquote] Where to? [/1up] You mom. [/1in] Lol, jk. No offence.

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... *ragequit* I should hit up Bandos, lol. People getting mad lucky for some reason... That's like, what, 100M in like 150 collective kills on these forums?

I disagree-- ranarr seeds, cut diamonds, rune drops, BLUE CHARMS... I still find TDs to be much better money. Maz just showed how bandos made 100m more in the same time amount... how is tds better? I GOT BLUES IT MAKES UP FOR 100M ... Numbers make TD's better. Claws > Bandos Hilt. Average drop rate for claws is 1/250 (roughly), and drops in bandos come about every 1/250 kills as well, but they're only like 20M each. TD's die faster, easier to kill, and give [cabbage] loads of blue charms. Therefore, TD's are better. I don't care if someone get 3 hilts in a day and made 100M. um.. bandos drops are 1/83, 1/110 not including boots Hilts are about 1 in 600, others about 1 in 150... you can't "combine" the drop rates to say that the rates are 1/83. They are not 1/150 for items, they're 1/300, considering there are 3 items there is a 1/100 chance for a bandos item that is an armour, also hilts are 1/500, so in the case where you did 500 kills there would be 1 hilt and 5 armour pieces for a total of 6 drops in 500 kills for a 1/83 total rate also I was still lenient underestimating bandos' dry kill profit, There is no common drop for bandos that is under 18k alone without the bones, coins are 1/4 for 20k, meeting costs, 1/13 for 19k rune longs for 1k loss 1/13 rune plate 50k profit 116 super restores, 37k profit 1/17 nature rune, 3k loss 1/17 coal, 13k profit 1/17 rune 2h, 37k profit 1/17 snap seed, 65k profit 1/18 magic log, 8k profit 1/25 rune pick, 1k loss 1/25 adddy ore, 1k profit I'm pretty sure most of those beat TD's average dry profit even if there is any I've gotten 15 d claws and 2 bandos items over 2m yet still think Bandos is better money, so there is no bias at all for me edit: yes leonardo, I was there but forgot to take a pic of everyone potting [/hide] [hide]That's not how it works, btw. Not counting boots (I rage quit whenever I see those...), the average rate is (1/300 + 1/300 + 1/500) = .008667. That's a .87% chance of getting a drop from bandos (Chest, Hilt, or Tassys). In 500 kills, you have a 16.7% chance of getting 5 items. Chest, Tassys, and Hilt are priced about the same. Normal drops, however, make Bandos a bit better than TD's, but not by much. TD's are 4M/hour+ for me. I can't even pull that off with duo ffa bandos, and I get most the drops with my friend, but I don't have OL's, either. I don't want to continue this, but killing Graador is a lot slower, and less kills/trip than TD's (considering time it takes to restock TD's, there's technically infinite kills/trip). I've never tried solo Graador with OL's + brews, so I wouldn't know about that. I call kill way more than 625 TD's in the time it takes someone to kill 500 Graador's. But then again, there's also minions that have a slight chance to drop at least one item in 1500 kills. ... We should have a contest, lol. [/hide]2 bandos kills an overload, 2 mins 30 seconds a kill (1 min 30 seconds on boss and 1 min on minis + waiting for spawn), 20 kills takes 50 minutes, 10 minutes for rebanking (more than needed) @squareroot2: he starts a kill fully spawned at 6:00, it dies at 7:18, it respawns and is lured at 8:10, the kill took 2 mins and 10 seconds in total, 3600 seconds in an hour, 130 second kill, 27.7 kills an hour, idk where you pulled 40 from, and yes I record them Profit/dry kill at Bandos is effectively cut in 2/3 from cost of brews/OL's. Even then, dry kill/graador massively pwns dry kill/TD, since TD's have absolutely horrible normal loot to being with, lol. My kill speed/hour at TD's is roughly 27 as well, but I use lame gear (monks bottoms + black d'hide body), so I'd expect 30/hour easy with good gear. If you make 104M/500 Graador kills, then I make 109.5M in the same time frame (50% faster kills). If we assume a 15k profit/dry kill at Graador and 10k profit at TD's (I make about 300k profit/trip, not counting claws/shards), we arrive at these values: 750 kills at TD's: 117M 500 kills at Bandos: 111.5M This is obviously up for disputes, since minions are bound to drop at least something worth 20M in 1500 kills, so I'd say they're both equal-ish. I like TD's better since they're fun, but Bandos is probably more money in the same time frame. I also love the blue charm drop rate. Soooo... there we go. Feel free to dispute. I don't know profit/kill at Graador, so I don't know how accurate these values are. They can't be more than about 2M off, though.