Retech

Okay, I am rehashing the ships, but the printing press you are researching is reaaaally crappy. Just so you know. :thumbup:

Okay, I could use some help here. I just checked wikipedia for all three ships, but it keeps confusing me because I get the centuries mixed up. Could someone basically give a list with oldest to newest, and what their primary function was?

Aha, that was the ship that I was looking for. Galleons! That's what I get for not playing civilization for months. Okay, carracks are now ten years research, galleons are five, and caravels are twenty. Galleons = Tranport ships (replacing the caravel that I mixed it up with) Crracks = Larger exploration ships Caravel = Smaller exploration ships with greater range I will work out the prices soon

Two hundred years. :thumbup: The Mongolian lord accepts, and asks you to set up a meeting. (PM!)

Name: Ol' Mcdonald Gender: Male Age: 57 Physical Description: An old geezer who used to wrestle pigs back in the day. Class: Farmer Skills (Just copy from the class list): Farming level 3, Small Arms 1 Background story (optional):

Trade routes increases economy, which then increases budget. Trade routes now also increase relations with the nation you are trading with (if NPCs), and possibly introduce new ideas into Asia, possibly allowing you to train some European units in Asia. I have yet to finish the eastern expansion, but I will let you know by this evening. Keep in mind the current ships that the Europeans have are only capable of bringing small parties over to Asia. If you want to bring any significant number, caravels/carracks will be needed, which require research. Ten years for caravels and five years extra for carracks, which are the upgraded version. I am aware that caravels were not historically transportation ships, but I will still be allowing them as transportation ships anyways.

Okies, I will add you to the list after lunch, as well as Mather. If you have any questions, just send a PM. :thumbup:

Heh, I have to finish a nice neat system to go by first. It'll be done by tonight. :)

Gotcha. :thumbup:

Okay. Since this is basically peace-time, then I'll let you post stuff on the thread, unless it's really important, where you should PM if hostilities ever break out again. Also, I am almost done with the world map. It will have the Americas on it, but I just want to leave it incase we ever go there in the future, but it will be currently inaccessable. Also, working out coloniaztion/exploration rules, so you can start sending your explorers to die of diseases in the jungles of South-east Asia, or maybe even have a puppet government in an Asian country. Brief history of what has happened in Asia: Mongols conquer everything except Japan, which manages to repulse the Mongols Mongolian empire fractures (it actually happened a few years sooner than you were informed, since the Mongols were covering up the Khan's death) Persia regains independance under the Persian Caliphate as a result of an assimilation of the Mongolians in the area to Islam China regains independance as the Song Dynasty, controlling the main bulk of China Japan becomes the only unscathed power in Asia, and gains a foothold in mainland Asia. Has gone considerable lengths to creating a professional army Khmer Empire, based in South-east Asia, continues flourishing. Pre-industrial, but large population centers Sultanate of Kedah continues to rules over parts of Indonesia and Malaysia. One of the first Islamic powers in the region

Okay, he agrees to meet you. (Would you like to use IRC or something?)

News has finally reached the royal courts of Europe that the great Khan died in his sleep, causing a conflict between his many sons. Each of these sons have taken over part of the expansive empire (with the exception of the European part, led by Subatai). Their combined power is still less than the might of the Mongol empire before it, but each nation is still very powerful. Subatai requests a peace treaty with the European nations involved in the war. The terms would be the cessation of hostilities, and each side would retain territory they currently occupy. (Working on fixing up the world map to add the East)

The way I've been doing siege weapons, in a sufficiently large army, if you have the technology or someone gives them to you, I can assume that the army has siege weapons, unless you were travelling through a mountain chain at a full gallop or something. Yep, he has this fun diagram. The latest PMs only stated that you were building a border guard with Dungeonal on the Kievan border, but I had no idea what soldiers you had put on that border. Further, I didn't know what kind of border you were setting up (several medium sized armies, smaller ambushes, etc). Also, I was not sure if Dungeonal was raising new troops for the border or he was using the ones further in Asia, so I could not do anything about that. Same thing about Earth's post. ---------

Mongolian Invasion of Europe - The Lone Wolf The main Mongolian horde pressed forward into Poland, moving through the Turkish tribal areas. Despite the best efforts of the Icelandic Hlaupari, the reinforcement forces had traveled through steppe terrain the entire journey, making it almost impossible for the Hlaupari to gain any decent fighting chances. Meanwhile the Persian consort had reached the tribal areas, and was playing catch up to the faster Mongolians. Unlike the earlier battle in the mountanous passages, some of the Persian empire had always occupied the mountains. They were less fearsome than the Mongols, allowing them to befriend the locals, who led the army secretly on an unknown mountain path, passing the Hlaupari blockade. The river through the mountains was lower due to seasonal fluctuations, and the Persians crossed with no trouble. The Polish had been preparing for the invasion for years, and had a massive army and extensive fortifications to show. It had constructed a citadel on the lower half of a mountain chain, filled with ditches and stakes to impede the Mongolian invaders. Unfortunately the primary portion of the Polish army was javalin calvery and armored knights, meaning that an open field engagement would always be preferable. The Polish King and commander of the forces, King Lazlo the Second, decided to build fortifications on the crest of a hill in the shadow of the citadel, to allow his calvery greater mobility. The hill had no distinguishable features, except that it was a slope gentle enough for his calvery to ride down, yet steep enough to impede enemy calvery. The Polish army was formed from every resource of the country, and was the first and last line of defence against the Mongolian threat. It consisted of five thousand knights, as well as five thousand Polish nobles, landowners with noble backgrounds who wielded javalins and swords, allowing versatility. The bulk of the army was fourty thousand Polish spearmen, which were heavily armored for a spearmen and trained for several months. Another twenty thousand woodsmen from the back country had been gathered, wielding their woodcutting two handed axes as weapons, though they were poorly armored. Twenty thousand peasant archers brought up the rear as well. The Mongolian army was marginally smaller, better equipped, better trained, and led by the general with the best track record in modern history. His name was Subutai, and his army had racked up over a million kills (including civilians), while losing less than a hundred thousand (including civilians travelling with said army). It included thirty thousand Mongolian horse archers, five thousand light lancers, and five thousand heavy lancers. Their vassal, the Persians, were bringing fifteen thousand desert spearmen, five thousand Immoratals (desert calvery with scimitars), and five hundred war elephants. The battle began with the exchange of siege weapon fire. The barrages by both sides were inconclusive. The Mongols had spread their forces out, and the height of the Polish prevented the Mongolian fire spitters from hitting their targets with any meaningful accuracy. However, the Mongolian forces began moving westward, attempting to either separate the citadel from the rest of the country or to bypass the army entirely and ravage the defenceless Polish lands. This forced Lazlo's hand immediately. Five thousand Polish nobles swiftly attacked the Mongolian flank, which was now facing the citadel. Their javalins at close range took great effect, killing four thousand Mongolian horse archers. Subutai ordered his men to split in the middle, before the light lancers swung around and charged at the nobles headlong. Lazlo hesitated, before ordering twenty thousand of his spearmen to assist the nobles. The running spearmen were easy targets for the Mongolian horse archers as they ran down the hill. When they finally arrived at the battle, the Mongolians had split their forces again, leaving the Polish nobles and the spearmen in between two walls of Mongolian horse archers. Lazlo immediately ordered his knights to flank the exposed Mongols. Immediately the remainder of the spearmen and the woodsmen on the hill began breaking ranks and charging as well. Lazlo quickly ordered his archers to fire at will, before charging down the join his foot soldiers in the fray. Subatai was surprised by the sudden-ness of the strike, and struggled in vain to pull his troops away. A lone horse archer could easily take on a lone woodsmen, but he was not prepared to take such casualties. Meanwhile his five thousand heavy lancers had met the Polish knights, and they traded blows with neither force gaining headway. Subatai prepared to sound the retreat, but things began looking up. The Persians had arrived on the battlefield, and immediately used their forces in the battle. The five thousand immortals, dressed in fearsome black cloaks and turbans, threw the peasant archers into disarray, killing or capturing most of them. More importantly, they followed them into the citadel and closed the gates, preventing the Poles from retreating. Secondly, the five hundred war elephants had no counter among the Polish forces and mercilessly smashed through the mass of foot soldiers, while archers mounted atop fired volleys of arrows at them. The expert elephant handlers carefully manuevered their beasts through the battle, avoiding the Mongolian forces. Finally, the Polish King was knocked off his horse by an arrow. As he got up, he was repeatedly stomped by an elephant, before being tusked through the chest. As his grisly remains were paraded through the battlefield, the Poles broke and fled, where they were slaughtered. The Kingdom fell within a matter of days, as the Mongols consolidated their new gains. Casualties: 10,000 Mongolian Horse Archers 5,000 Desert Spearmen 4,000 Light Lancers 2,500 Heavy Lancers Entire Polish army Result: Crushing Victory for the Mongols I have to go to sleep, but I will post a nice map tomorrow with the changes.

Oh, I've already calculated that they don't get that far. However, if he sends any troops to help, then maybe he would turn the tide of battle earlier rather than later.

Also I'm waiting for Icu to give me his plans. :thumbup:

Mongolian Invasion of Europe - Great Gate of Kiev A small portion of the Mongolian forces entered the Principality of Kiev in a dash to the capital, intent on reaching the capital city and burning it to the ground before the main forces of Kiev returned from their random trek in the wilderness of Mongolia. After leaving a trail of destruction, the force of five thousand calvery archers and two thousand light lancers finally reached the outskirts of the city. They had ridden hard and left their siege weapons behind. The weapons were transported by wagon, which allowed the horses to trot, but the Mongols needed a gallop at the very least. Unfortunately, the Great Gates of Kiev would be impenetrable when closed to an unprepared raiding party, but it was darkness, and the Mongolian commander expected his force to sneak into the city. However, the French spies in the region had informed the Kievan governor to expect trouble, though the Mongolians did not know. As they approached the city in separate groups and at a trot, to not alarm the defenders, the governor gave the signal. Huge piles of wood in massive metal braziers were lit, causing the gate to flash brightly, revealing the stealthed Mongols. Immediately the militia crossbowmen tasked to defend the wall rose up from their crouching positions, causing the Mongol raiding party to turn and flee. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rVci4h8TkM Mongolian Invasion of Europe - The Hungarian Exodus Five thousand Mongolian Horse archers and five thousand light lancers rode into Hungary. Their orders were not to engage the Bulgarians, but instead begin the destruction of the entire Hungarian identity. The forces were well versed in warfare, and split up into a hundred groups of a hundred horsemen, spreading through the country. Even the Bulgarian Myrmidons and the Icelanding Hlaupari were not prepared for such a fast attack, so soon after the Mongolian disappointment at the Battle of the Mountain Passes. Several groups of Mongols even rode into Budapest in the night, setting houses on fire, and killing plague workers. The Mongols were not even engaged in combat, yet they killed over a hundred thousand people over the course of several nights. The Hungarian situation has turned to panic, and its people have begun exiting the country in large packs, heading westward. ^ And I leave you with this short prelude to the main Mongolian invasion, allowing you to see the steak and smell the aroma. I will be posting the main meat of the message within twenty minutes.

Twenty thousand soldiers WITH war elephants. Not twenty thousand war elephants. An army that large could only be supported in the older days of the Indian Monarchs.

Are the plans the same as the "updated plans" post from July 1st, except with the unique units and the cataphracts?

For these kind of things, I assume that there are some with every decently sized army (that isn't like two hundred soldiers infiltrating a castle by night or something), scaling up with the size of the engagement. So assuming that they can get there, then most likely you will have them factored into the engagement. Also, the plague will not damage your armies because it would make it too confusing, but moving armies generally helps spread plague, reducing economy and causing unrest.

I don't have any recent numbers from either Dungeonal or you, or Icu. I can go with the numbers in the last PM minus those killed, but I'm sure you'll want to utilize your new troops. So I need to know troop numbers at the border. Also, is the strategy to be lumped in a large army and respond to an attack, or in smaller groups and cover the border. Basically big groups or small groups?

If anyone wants to put in last minute plans (Nex, I'll need the new numbers for Hlaupari please, and the replacement general for Rakvel), please do so soon. Also, more details is better. The general will usually make decent decisions, but occasionally I will slip in a blunder which could be costly. So here are some things that you might want to include. Preference of Terrain (Hills, plains, swamps, forests, steppes, cities) or whatever you are defending Combat mindset (Offensive kill the enemy, defensive protect the homeland, something in the middle?) Formation (Square, Hexagon, Circle, Rigid formation, Fluid loose formation, etc) You could even include a speech from a general to his troops (which I will adapt based on the situation) to jazz it up, which I will give some bonus for, sometimes forstalling a retreat or causing the bezerkers to cleave through a column of Mongols. Probaly won't turn the tide of the battle, but it's always worth a shot. :thumbup:

That's why I've trying to find a map for the past three days. Keep in mind the space you're invading is basically parts of Russia that nomads live in. However, it'll give you a ready made trade route when the war is over.

Well assuming the nations of Eastern Europe survive, they'll be the closest to the land route to Asia, which will be a big plus for trade until European nations figure out how to build large trade ships or exploration ships like Carracks or Caravals, when it will still be the easiest way to transport larger armies into Asia. I am also planning a new system for things outside Europe. It is likely that the expenses for bringing an army to Asia by land will be prohibitive to large forces, while by sea, only a smaller force could be sent. Or it could just be that there is a high chance that many of them will die off before they get there. In order to train soldiers in Asia, you'd have to build a powerful colony, set up a sphere of influence, or conquer part of a country. I'll explain the pro and cons when we get there, but it is mainly based on common sense. For example, you wouldn't be able to train knights in Asia unless you introduced Feudalism, which might agitate the local strongmen, which might lead to other problems.

It doesn't seem fair to me that plagues and hordes unstoppable enemies are coming from just the east. Maybe to make it fair, I'll have some Aztecs in nuclear-powered motherships drop jaguar warriors in Paris. -sarcasm-