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That's exactly what happens [/sarcasm] Edit: Clearly you're the expert on religion now, so I'm going to defer all questions to you. No, I am seriously trying to understand. You seemed to say that you literally believe that the cracker and wine are Jesus's flesh and blood, and I was asking for clarification. Were you being sarcastic? E: And I'm not an expert on religion at all, getting that info is the closest I've ever come to reading the Bible. If you're looking for honest input, you need more than one answer. The Eucharist and transubstantiation are very highly debated topics in the church. I believe it's just symbolism, the cracker doesn't actually become flesh, nor does the grape juice actually become blood. I never knew there were people who actually believed it was blood, somehow. Does it magically transform once ingested? Serious question for whoever understands the viewpoint. Also, Saru, you may want to look through the website I quoted, as it has a whole page devoted to the Bible's opinions on homosexuality, including the New Testament. To me, it seemed the anti-homosexuality was more common, but it tended to be someone's interpretation of Jesus's teachings, and not Jesus himself saying it.

That's exactly what happens [/sarcasm] Edit: Clearly you're the expert on religion now, so I'm going to defer all questions to you. No, I am seriously trying to understand. You seemed to say that you literally believe that the cracker and wine are Jesus's flesh and blood, and I was asking for clarification. Were you being sarcastic? E: And I'm not an expert on religion at all, getting that info is the closest I've ever come to reading the Bible.

Don't worry about it. We all were young once. Heck, most of us still are.

Recently finished Dracula, Huck Finn, Notes from Underground. Started browsing through a music history textbook (which got me to spend entire afternoons on some expressionist stuff), decided to read the Theif Lord again before I recommend it to my little brother, and am currently reading Red Dragon by Thomas Harris. It gets a little gruesome because of the way it asks you to identify with the main character and he identifies with serial killers, but I've read similar stuff before. I've liked it so far. I haven't gotten far enough to see any real motifs, but I'm excited to see where he'll go with it.

Yes, but I can't promise I would be active. It seems like a rather narrow range of discussion - more the sort of thing you would find in a subforum.

Uh, no, it isn't. OK, so the little dry cracker is, like, Jesus' little toe flattened out, and somehow it regenerates in cracker form each week?

When it's in the Bible it's called the Old Testament... Meaning what? Many, many Christians support the Old Testament. [spoiler=A quick Google search for dirt on the New Testament] I praise you for being faithful in remembering me. I also praise you for staying true to all my teachings, just as I gave them to you. Now I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ. The head of the woman is the man. And the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered brings shame on his head. 5 And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered brings shame on her head. It is just as if her head were shaved. What if a woman does not cover her head? She should have her hair cut off. But it is shameful for her to cut her hair or shave it off. So she should cover her head. A man should not cover his head. He is the likeness and glory of God. But the woman is the glory of the man. 8 The man did not come from the woman. The woman came from the man. Also, the man was not created for the woman. The woman was created for the man. 10 That's why a woman should have her head covered. It shows that she is under authority. She should also cover her head because of the angels. .... -1 Corinthians 11 Paul lists ten things that will keep you out of heaven, including homosexuality and being "effeminate." 6:9-10 Corinthians With his usual intolerance, Paul condemns homosexuals (including lesbians). This is the only clear reference to lesbians in the Bible. 1:26-28 Romans Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24 Matthew Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it's better to be "maimed" than to suffer "everlasting fire." 18:8-9 Matthew Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 3:9 Luke Jesus says that God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves "with many stripes." 12:46-47 Luke In the parable of the talents, Jesus says that God takes what is not rightly his, and reaps what he didn't sow. The parable ends with the words: "bring them [those who preferred not to be ruled by him] hither, and slay them before me." 19:22-27 Luke Jesus believes people are crippled by God as a punishment for sin. He tells a crippled man, after healing him, to "sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." 5:14 John Jesus says we must eat his flesh and drink his blood if we want to have eternal life. This idea was just too gross for "many of his disciples" and "walked no more with him." 6:53-66 John [My own note: lawl messianic complex with cannnibalistic mood - this guy's a real gem] Peter claims that Deuteronomy 18:18-19 refers to Jesus, saying that those who refuse to follow him (all non-Christians) must be killed. 3:23 Acts Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death." 1:31-32 Romans God is planning a messy, mass murder in "the wrath to come" and only Jesus can save you from it. 1:10 Thessalonians "The Lord destroyed them that believed not." 5 Jude [Don't make it bad] Four angels, with an army of 200 million, killed a third of the earth's population. 9:15-19 Revelation God gave the saints and prophets blood to drink. 16:6 Revelation With eyes aflame, many crowns on his head, clothes dripping with blood, a sword sticking out of his mouth, and a secret name, Jesus leads the faithful in heaven into holy war on earth. 19:14-15 Revelation The short ones are from http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/, the first was just a random search result. I hope you read that, as it's exactly what people have been asking for all along in these religious debates. As a Catholic, I believe that every Sunday when I go to mass, I eat Jesus' body and drink His blood. Why does that bother you so much? That's all you got out of there? Of course, that's a metaphor, and the quote may have been as well, but if you don't have a problem with cannibalism we have a bigger issue than just the religious disagreement.

See, you're being greedy. A general argument of tip-receivers, is that the customer is a greedy, self-centered [wagon]. Well so are you! :mrgreen: No lie, I wouldn't hate restaurant tips so much if I can tip the chef. It'll still be pointless, but I seriously feel the chef is a lot more important than the server. The chef actually gets paid decently, as he can be evaluated by the manager. The point of tipping the waiter is that it allows you, the customer, to evaluate how he works.

When it's in the Bible it's called the Old Testament... Meaning what? Many, many Christians support the Old Testament. [spoiler=A quick Google search for dirt on the New Testament] “I praise you for being faithful in remembering me. I also praise you for staying true to all my teachings, just as I gave them to you. Now I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ. The head of the woman is the man. And the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered brings shame on his head. 5 And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered brings shame on her head. It is just as if her head were shaved. What if a woman does not cover her head? She should have her hair cut off. But it is shameful for her to cut her hair or shave it off. So she should cover her head. A man should not cover his head. He is the likeness and glory of God. But the woman is the glory of the man. 8 The man did not come from the woman. The woman came from the man. Also, the man was not created for the woman. The woman was created for the man. 10 That's why a woman should have her head covered. It shows that she is under authority. She should also cover her head because of the angels. “.... -1 Corinthians 11 Paul lists ten things that will keep you out of heaven, including homosexuality and being "effeminate." 6:9-10 Corinthians With his usual intolerance, Paul condemns homosexuals (including lesbians). This is the only clear reference to lesbians in the Bible. 1:26-28 Romans Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24 Matthew Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it's better to be "maimed" than to suffer "everlasting fire." 18:8-9 Matthew Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 3:9 Luke Jesus says that God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves "with many stripes." 12:46-47 Luke In the parable of the talents, Jesus says that God takes what is not rightly his, and reaps what he didn't sow. The parable ends with the words: "bring them [those who preferred not to be ruled by him] hither, and slay them before me." 19:22-27 Luke Jesus believes people are crippled by God as a punishment for sin. He tells a crippled man, after healing him, to "sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." 5:14 John Jesus says we must eat his flesh and drink his blood if we want to have eternal life. This idea was just too gross for "many of his disciples" and "walked no more with him." 6:53-66 John [My own note: lawl messianic complex with cannnibalistic mood - this guy's a real gem] Peter claims that Deuteronomy 18:18-19 refers to Jesus, saying that those who refuse to follow him (all non-Christians) must be killed. 3:23 Acts Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death." 1:31-32 Romans God is planning a messy, mass murder in "the wrath to come" and only Jesus can save you from it. 1:10 Thessalonians "The Lord destroyed them that believed not." 5 Jude [Don't make it bad] Four angels, with an army of 200 million, killed a third of the earth's population. 9:15-19 Revelation God gave the saints and prophets blood to drink. 16:6 Revelation With eyes aflame, many crowns on his head, clothes dripping with blood, a sword sticking out of his mouth, and a secret name, Jesus leads the faithful in heaven into holy war on earth. 19:14-15 Revelation The short ones are from http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/, the first was just a random search result. I hope you read that, as it's exactly what people have been asking for all along in these religious debates.

If it makes you feel better, yours was the first signature I really recognized and liked. Actually, same here. I don't recognize your name or profile, Gabe, but I recognize your signature instantly. Everyone knows me, am I right? I recognize the avatar at least. I'm probably not too well-known around here despite being around for four years. :grin: Never knew my signature was popular :blink: I tend to identify people by the avatar and signature. I think it's a lot easier to remember stuff like that than the person's views, or even his name.

The alternative is paying a higher price to the company so they can pay their employees. You wouldn't be saving money. No matter. As long as I don't pay a *tip*. Its the considering a *tip* that irridates me. If a customer at a Wal-Mart doesn't pay the extra 3 bucks for her purchase, the clerk isn't gonna be "Oh hell no you [bleep] didn't pay mah tip" it'll be a "O lols these trolls are funnah" You don't like feeling like you're required to do something nice, and would rather have it be part of something less personal?

Mild and moderate trolls are now legal in the TIF Penal System. Okay! Uh, Islam is a very peaceful religion, except for some pieces where it says to absolutely kill X person, but that's just a metaphor suited with the times, man. Uh, no. In Islam it is clearly a call to Jihad and the whole religion should be condemned. Of course, when it's in the Bible it's just a misinterpretation.

The alternative is paying a higher price to the company so they can pay their employees. You wouldn't be saving money.

Lol yeah I'm done with you Denial is the first stage of grief. E: Link. You'll notice that anger comes next.

I don't like anonymous, and I am sitting down right now about Assange. But yes, a site that supports a terrorist organization has a right to existence as long as it does not directly aid or encourage violence.

From there it's more of not having people foam at the mouth when those beliefs are inevitably brought up. Are you implying that you are intolerant about my belief system? PS: Foaming at the mouth is literally the best thing you can do when religion is being argued over. Am I right?? On this forum? Probably. That and posting a bunch of half-witty pictures.

Yes, we would. It's called freedom of speech, and as long as there isn't any sort of call to action, it's completely legal.

Then I have to disagree with something in that string of logic... Go ahead. A summary can be found here.

I think you just contradicted yourself in the same post #-o Think again. Maybe the wording is a bit difficult, but you get what I'm saying, right? I mean, you're just picking it apart because I disagreed with you. Terrorism is independent of religion Religion is a huge factor in politics in the Middle East Do you disagree? Terrorism can be independent of religion, but it isn't independent of politics... Well, sure. But people from all areas of the political spectrum can be terrorists, especially by the OP definition.

I think you just contradicted yourself in the same post #-o Think again. Maybe the wording is a bit difficult, but you get what I'm saying, right? I mean, you're just picking it apart because I disagreed with you. Terrorism is independent of religion Religion is a huge factor in politics in the Middle East Do you disagree?

E:^NO U. a) Both cases are political issues being portrayed as religious issues b) Your inability to recognize the inherent and permanent connection between religion and politics is shameful c) Religion and politics in the Middle East are literally the same thing. If you need me to be more specific, I will. A more rational thing to do is to point this out, or point to the crusades then try and make some blanket statement about all of Christianity in its present form You missed the point. I'm saying that terrorism and religion are two completely different things. There are extremists everywhere, to try to categorize by religion is just silly.

Christians did behave in a similar manner at one point, during the crusades. That was also when you couldn't get your hands on a Bible and the Catechism wasn't widely available... Whats nice about technology is we've all got access to the Bible, the Catechism, the Qu'ran, and Hadith. One set says "turn the other cheek", the other set says Jihad... And yet the White Man still manages to find away to spend billions of dollars sending troops and machines of war to the Middle East. And we didn't have any problem sponsoring anti-Communist terrorism in Cuba and the Middle East during the Cold War, nor with sending armies and priests into Africa and Asia during the 1800s. It's only terrorism if it's a minority, I guess. E:@ two posts above (stupid posting limit): Is it any more idiotic than the idea that Islam and terrorism are closely related? I've seen that idea expressed on these forums often. People forget that, aside from the laundry list above, there are Israeli terrorists waging their own Jihad against Palestinians in the Middle East.

Unitarianism as a faith is pretty rare, the Unitarian and Universalist churches merged, so I believe what you're describing is actually Unitarian Universalist. UUs accept and teach all faiths, so it's a good church for people who believe something in general, but don't believe something specific or don't like the strict rules you may find in other faiths. It's basically agnosticism with a God. My dislike of the church stemmed from personal experience, so I don't expect it carries over to all churches. I felt that they were less accepting of atheism in general, and as an atheist all the little rituals just annoyed me. Pascal's Wager is the idea that whether God truly exists or not, one should practice religion, as you lose nothing if he doesn't exist, and gain everything if he does. However, most atheists will call this "philosophical suicide", as it rejects the truth and our desire for a solid answer, and discourages thinking.

If it makes you feel better, yours was the first signature I really recognized and liked.

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm193/krexuzeitor/implied-facepalm.jpg[/mg] I will just take that as a *no reply* The problem with this point of view, this blind zealotry without even stopping to question why you believe something is the real cause of terrorism. If the Catholic Church had their own jihad section that ALL catholics must follow to get to heaven, I am certain we would have many christians who would be strapping themselves with bombs to gain control of planes to aim them towards Saudi Arabian buildings. Edit: an extremist branch of Islam did make that interpretation to justify their actions Christian terrorism? Quit trolling.