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Fixed. If I'm not mistaken, they are including quest bosses, which means a lot of them will be low level. They even mention delrith.

I think there's a certain timing you need to respect in order not to get stunned.

I've actually grown tired of tolkienesque fantasy mediums.

I don't think you can equiparate players admiring some players that excel at their areas of interest, to people blindly following the commands of an entity(ies) that might or might not exist.

This. It's not a matter of how to improve them, it's a matter of why should you improve them.

They don't have to die.

Those are some pretty serious accusations/insinuations. Care to provide any evidence to even support those suspicions?

That quote is under the assumption that good men can do something. When that something is reporting bots, and when reporting bots does nothing but waste your time and Jagex's time, that something counts as nothing. It is also under the assumption that bots are somehow "evil", when they can positively or negatively affect players that don't use them, depending on their playstyle. Yes, wasting Jagex's time. Because as I stated previously, even if they did act on reports (because the vast majority of the time they don't, as any player with common sense can tell, from varied observations, and from lack of evidence pointing otherwise), more bots would simply pop up because Jagex doesn't care enough to develop a system that sistematically bans them automatically. "Get money, smoke trees, have consensual loving relationships with ladies of dubious ethical conduct." ~Mahatma Ghandi I can quote people too xD ain't I so smart and isn't my argument compelling? lololol

Jagex isn't the source. Bots are the source. Jagex is, however, the only and only permanent solution. And that's the last you'll hear from me. You're either an exceptional troll or somebody with no notion whatsoever of what rhetoric, logical, and argumentative skill are.

These sort of responses are baseless and fatuous. Your article is baseless and fatuous. (see what I did?) But yeah, Nifflin conveyed my feelings well.

Was the goose tasty at least?

You are aware that the majority of bots you see aren't actually individual players, but rather gold farming companies, yes? What you fail to see is that even if everybody who knew people who botted convinced them to do otherwise, the problem would remain because there are companies which financial backing comes from botten en mass. So yes, the problem should be solved by Jagex, and not it's players. No matter what you do, you cannot solve this issue. Jagex needs to cut the evil at its roots, and permanently disable bot clients, only then will the problem be solved. You're also naive if you think people will stop doing something that benefits them just because I went "hey man, you should that because... hum, e-morals and stuff". And I've already stated that you can prove whether reports make a difference or not. You can even conduct a study, just go to major bot locations, spend 30m-1h reporting people and checking their names out. In 1 month, check if they've changed names and check their highscores, and note down the percentage of infractions your reports caused. Of course you'd also have to take into account that sometimes jmods and pmods do banning sweeps in popular locations (and, as you can see, they do nothing because 2 more bots pop up when they ban 1), so you'd have to discount those.

At least this time he is correct.

Tztok-Ket-Dill seems anticlimatic for a questcape grand finale :( Congratulations anyway!

I did not complain about bots, in fact, I've stated that they are beneficial to my style of play because they make the resources I buy cheaper. I also agree that the demodding of Jiblix is separate from the issue we're currently talking about. I do not applaud the cheating behaviour of my friends, I have not said I do, I merely do not judge them personally based on it. You people keep twisting my posts around and reading in between lines that aren't there. How about you actually argue the prime subject (Do reports make a difference?) instead of pursuing this fruitless witch hunt? I've made my arguments towards reports not impacting botting in the big picture. I have backed them up. You people keep hammering on my personal opinions instead of the subject, mostly because you cannot care to prove that the people you report get banned or infracted.

Had you read my posts, you'd know. But fine, I'll tell you. Add the persons you've reported and check their highscores from time to time. Mind you that they might change names (unlikely if they really are bots), so check your friendslist to see if they did. If they're gone from the highscores, or if their stats have been reduced since you've reported them, you can assume (but not be certain) your report did something. What kind of answer are you expecting? You accomplish nothing with that question, except maybe make people assume things about me that aren't true. So I'd like you to stop pursuing that line of reasoning.

I've already told you how you can check if bots are banned. You can, with 100% confidence, tell if somebody has been banned or not. I, on the other hand, cannot present you the sources of my claims due to the rule-breaking that I'd have to do in order to cite them here. It is not a matter of not having the evidence, it's a matter of not being able to present it. For instance, this is an excerpt of a thread where people congratulate each other for their botting "achievements". This is 1 account, 1 botter in a relatively small botting comunity. Needless to say, those stats were all botted and obviously the infractor is not banned. Of course, without citing my source, this seems like a bunch of bull. Sure, I'll gladly elaborate. I don't judge my real life friends for things they do in a virtual environment that causes no active harm to other beings or themselves, and I question the moral code of anyone who would condemn another person for actions that do not harm others. They are doing nothing wrong, legaly speaking, and I'm not about to condemn my friends over a game. I'd guess that if it made good PR, they'd release the info. They aren't doing it, so I wonder why.

Then why are you speaking to me? I wasn't the one who suggested they were, and that's precisely my point.

You have to read my post in context to the post I'm replying to. I'm not even talking about reports. The person above me said that Jagex isn't omniscient and had to be made aware of the situation at hand. And that's part of what Jiblix's videos show. No amount of reporting can give them clear stats, because innocent people get mistakenly reported at times, so that's not even close to what this is about. All Jagex needs to do to gain awareness of the problem is login once in a while in populated areas.

I'm at 66.8k ish

But that's exactly what Jiblix did and he got punished for it, so Jagex obviously knows the state of the game, and him getting punished just goes to show how much they care about it. And JrHairyChest, that's just getting ridiculous. Quoting me isn't making a point in your favour, since it does not prove, disprove, or otherwise quantify Jagex's participation in bot punishment. And yeah, defining a person through half a dozen lines sure is smart and not arrogant at all. At the very most, you got my view on botting and botters, everything else is vague assumptions (especially since from all of your quotes, none of them reflect the issue of how I value my gameplay experience, which was the one at hand). Once again, you're deviating from the point and focusing on personal "attacks" instead of actually providing solid arguments and sources to back your claims (I'm still waiting to see you prove that the infractors you reported did get punished). So, until you've actually got something to say that isn't just assumptions and insinuations, this conversation is over.

Of course I was speaking for myself, as he was arrogant enough to make assumptions about somebody he knows nothing about.

But I don't value skills or hold things dear... The game is a way to provide me with fun times, there's no underlying value or achievement besides that, and bots can't really remove the fun I have in the game since the content is still there for me to enjoy. And no, my values as a player don't affect the game at all, that's the point. I can't prevent people from botting in any way, only Jagex can do that. That's the point you keep evading, and no amount of deflection and blaming other can change that.

I'm hoping so too, but this strange power will probably be a cop out.

Yes, especially if they spend membership money on said promise, when it wields no fruits. Honestly, I'd much rather they fire the whole anti botting department and increase game update frequency/quality in 10%, but that won't happen. Well, you can say whatever you feel like, but if your arguments are a huge pile of bull, nobody is going to take you seriously. Especially with your tendency to deflect and evade arguments.