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Just out of curiosity... has anyone actually tried crafting laws with the RC cape on and their level at 100? that could be the double lvl if not. It's not possible to take capes of achievement to Entrana :cry:

Runecrafting doesnt necessarily have to be the only thing you do. I just showed the minimum amount of hours you have to work, and compared them to each other. You can rc one hour a day, and do something else the rest. It's just easier to show like that. If you're getting 91 rc to make cash, you probably don't know another way to make 1m+ per hour.

Go ahead. I want to hear your opinions, this ain't no guide or anything, just some calculations. WELL.... there is fast free laws of course which get you to 91 rc the fastest biggest money loss and there is the "profit" runs doing trips yourself... 1st method is a huge drain on your pocket and the second makes you just about a bijillionaire however there is a slightly slower method then ffl yet at the right times of the day faster exp then "profit" runs... surely someone here knows what im talking about with world 16 airs :pray: anyways thats a f2p world and basically you pay runners 2k for there unnoted ess from there you craft into air runes which can be sold for 15 to 20 gp each on the forums with this method its basically breaking even, depending on your rcing lvl and the price you pay for rune ess you make multiple airs based on your lvls as follows: lvl 11 x 2, lvl 22 x 3, lvl 33 x 4, lvl 44 x 5, lvl 55 x 6, lvl 66 x 7, lvl 77 x 8, lvl 88 x 9, and lvl 99 x 10 so ya...that was alot of rambling on again...so if you want to do the calculations and money loss with all that in mind lol knock yourself out and add it too your thread :wink: rune ess is usually anywhere from 20 to 40gp each, airs sell anywhere from 10 to 20 gp each, and air runes give 5 exp per ess... have fun calculating if you decide to add it in :XD: It's still slower exp than at abyss, AND probably slower cash. More of an option for f2p. Swampjedi, you don't make 200 per ess at 91, you make 255. You don't craft twice as much ess, you craft twice as many nats from the same ess. My point is, that people think that FFL is so fast, you have lots of time to make the 60m cash lost back. But that's wrong, if you're going for 91 for the cash, stay with nats. If you want the levels, go with FFL. I don't see a point in mixing them to even out, I want cash to raise my other skills. FAST FREE LAWS ISN'T THAT MUCH FASTER That's what I'm trying to say

I can easily make 2.2k in an hour, and average 2.1k+ fore over 3 hours straight. Very focused Pkers dont do that much; I just tele to Lletya, use my glory to tele to edge, eat some, and continue rcing.

Looking through meesy's post history, I found the last post before 30/11/2006 was on 7/11/2005, that was before you registered Mat ;) And only 5 or so posts after that. Well, you became more famous coos of that, 8/10 now 8-)

I did 2000+ in one hour exactly without super energies, after getting my giant pouch. Made 2340 once with super energies. Now averaging 2150 using super energy. I > you (at rcing) These are my personal results. If you're slow at abyss crafting, you might be slow at FFL too, I don't know? :|

7/10 One of the few names that I actually remember without a sig =D>

But you will have 54m less than you started with when you get to 91. With nats you would be 104m plus at that point.

is just common sense. :wall: Good post though....will help if I ever go for 91 rc. :XD: It's not all common sense, many people think that using FFL is better for both money and xp, they think it's so much faster you got lots of time to make the cash back.

Go ahead. I want to hear your opinions, this ain't no guide or anything, just some calculations.

Does ANYTHING of that benefit you in real life? No it doesn't but I don't see how that is relevant to this discussion whatsoever. And I'm not bagging on the skill as I haven't even tried it yet, I was just wondering if there was anything good about it? I mean at least with slayer you could kill something that dropped something good you know? Then why did you make your question sound like a rant? You already answered yourself. If you see there's no benefit from it, don't train it. All benefits from any skills are for the game only, but the FUN in all skills (yes, including firemaking) is what you really are playing this for. If you dont want to train a skill that doesnt make you rich, then don't. IMO it's a great, fun skill, might even keep training till 99.

Does ANYTHING of that benefit you in real life?

The cape examine says it's made out of thin plates, but yeah it SHOULD be heavier. (achievement capes 0kg ftw) :ohnoes:

Firemaking is great. Relaxing, and you can listen to audibooks while doing it 8-)

Well, we had an interesting discussion on the unofficial Tip.It irc channel, whether craft at the world 66 Fast Free Laws company(FFL from now on.), or make your own nats through the Abyssal space. I concluded that yes, it is faster to 91 using FFL, but you would lose around 11 gp per exp. With nats, you would be making over 22 gp per exp gained, but slower than at FFL. The main reason to get 91 rc is to make an awful lot of money in no time. It's fairly easy to average 2k ess per hour, which would mean over 1M gp in cash. So if you were to use FFL, you would probably want to make all the cash back, and also make some more cash to profit even more! But is it really better to use FFL, you know you would make A LOT of money with nats even before it. That's why I'm here, to show you some calculations. Fast Free Laws Exp/h: Almost 30k at a good time. Profit: -110 gp for each 9.5 xp; or roughly -11.5 gp per xp. Abyss, nature runes Exp/h: Up to 20k using super energies, around 18k without. Let's say without for easier calculations. Profit: 200 gp per 9 xp; or roughly 22.2 gp per xp. NOTE: This is using ALL 4 pouches, so we will calculate only from level 75 and on. Exp @level 75: 1,210,421 Exp @level 91: 5,902,831 Difference: 4,692,410 exp Now, the next part: Fast Free Laws Total profit: 4,692,410 * ( -11.5 ) = -53,962,715 gp Time spent: 4,692,410/30,000 ~ 156.4 hours Abyss, nature runes Total profit: 4,692,410 * 22.2 = 104,171,502 gp Time spent: 4,692,410/18,000 ~ 260.7 hours Okay, here we got the second part. With FFL it's around 104 hours faster to get from 75 to 91, BUT it costs almost 150m more. If you want to get back to 0 gp made/lost, you'll have to rc for 54 hours through the abyss. Well, that might still be 50h less than with nats all the way. BUT, you have still not made the 104m that you would have with nats. If you want to make that money, which is the main idea, you will have to spend another 104 hours crafting. Now you've all of a sudden used 54 MORE hours than you would have with nats. Of course, you will have gotten a few levels after 91, but not as much cash. In that 54 hours the one that went with nats all the way, will have made 54m more cash than you, and is always a step before you with money, but not xp. FINAL CONCLUSION: FFL is slower money, but great if you're after the levels past 91. Nats are slower xp, but great if you're after the money. Discuss!

But no "Shaken, not stirred", although the even better "Do I look like I care!?" :lol: Great movie, can't say I'm a movie expert, but I surely have seen lots of Bond films, and this is one of the best. The opening scene is just.. cool =P~

And stays at 150.. But wow, took me like 2 hours to get my 8.

Just a word of caution. When training you might be reported for macroing because other people might try talking to you and you won't reply to them. If seen a lot of instances when fishing/mining/woodcutting where a player doesnt talk and people who want so badly to become mods report the player for macroing. A person not talking isn't a good reason to report someone. I don't know how long you've been playing RS but there are a lot of wanna-be-mods who like to report people for macroing even though they have no proof other than the person not talking. So they assume the person is macroing. I don't do it but I've seen it happen many times. I know, people report you, but for no reason. Jagex has much better ways to detect macroing than just "not responding to public chat"

Im gonna go out on a limb and say that you are stating your opinion likes facts. I think nobuo uematsu is the greatest composer ever to live, and he writes video game music. So i think instead of saying "A few of the greatest bands" say, these are some of my favorite bands. I love the FFIX ST, nice sig Yes, Uematsu could very well be the greatest composer :-w

Just a word of caution. When training you might be reported for macroing because other people might try talking to you and you won't reply to them. If seen a lot of instances when fishing/mining/woodcutting where a player doesnt talk and people who want so badly to become mods report the player for macroing. A person not talking isn't a good reason to report someone.

level 3 clue - erm... something under 80, around 75 dragon drop - 82 d left half million gp - around 65 d left half - 82^^

BAM Cook X BAM Gilded Altar BAM Pest Control BAM Pyramid Plunder BAM Abyss BAM Granite Mining BAM Dragon Woodcutting Axe what pyramid plunder isnt the best way of training thieving the best way has been around since the feud was released Pyramid is much less hassle, and at around 71 or 81, the experience at Pyramid Plunder is better. really you mean i can get like 100k exp in a hour there :D Then we can also say: BAM The Feud

Yes he is real!!! okay, he isn't, but don't ruin the fun for the younger users here... I have a red flag for things I have never gotten a pm for, but I'm not especially concerned, I wouldn't break the rules. If you are worried... Then you aren't playing in a fair and honest way.

For a skiller like you? :shame: I've only gotten a max of like 130.. with 168 QP's I got 140 qp... I must be doing something severely wrong. I don't have a clue how I should click the tears

I've had 2 nests on several trips before... Does it work for Miscellania? :ohnoes: