yeah, one is too blurry, and the other too sharp and visible, try using a lower opacticy (SP?). your font for the first one is smooth, the sig looks sharp, as stated in cad's tut (finally got a chance to look at it :mrgreen: ). looks to me like there are few layers....the more the merrier ~Gangas Khan (SP?), just don't filter it a bizzilion times....get a nice set of brushes, and some renders..... also, for renders try my little shoppe.....