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I would love a server like this. However I would probably play more in the normal RS.

First of all, Jagex: Get better audio recording equipment. And don't sit in a room which creates echoes when doing this kind of things. Otherwise it was a great livestream. I got many questions answered that I was interested in. I look forward to more sessions like this one. RS3 sounds awesome :)

Not that I don't agree with you. I'm quite ticked off. Well, compared to most others around here, I am very little of a hater really. I don't like what Jagex is doing, but I realize that me raging doesn't really do that much. I tried to protest as much as possible when I still believed in that they actually might change it (after the SoF release). I posted on here, I posted on the RSOF and I put forward my arguments as good as I could to why the SoF doesn't belong in RS. So did many other players. Many, many, MANY other players. And nothing happened except a reply from MMG that basically said "We're not selling direct XP/GP, just a chance to get it." Which is true. But they're selling in-game advantage here, clearly, and have done so since SoF was introduced into the game. Since then it have pretty much only got worse. Like many here predicted that it would. This update with these amulets is for sure the most direct way of selling this kind of in-game advantage we have seen this far. Even worse than the fish masks. If you buy 450 spins (the biggest package) now, you can probably get an easy 10M+, as I stated in my previous post. Horrible.

Two days is way more than enough for people to have enough time to buy a lot of spins and use them though. A lot of people will get a lot richer this weekend.

Well, we just got another great money-making method into the game. All you need to do is to buy 450 spins and you will most likely get like 10m+ or something...Easily.

21 :)

Now this just looks awesome. I can't wait to see bots smashed by that fist.

I actually did. I visited the GE on world 1 a few times, and saw quite few (compared to normal) gold farming advertising bots. That were working, that is. They were still there, but they didn't say anything. Small steps in the right direction.

About the picture: Ah, I understand. I thought it was broken lol :P For those who are interested, the recent changes page of the official RS wiki can be found here: http://services.runescape.com/m=rswiki/en/Special:RecentChanges I bet we will have the JAG released either today or tomorrow.

This certainly seems interesting. I am looking forward to the release of the JAG, it really is about time hacking accounts becomes harder in Runescape. I have myself been a victim to hacking myself a few times. And it really isn't anything funny. So the sooner they release this, the better it is. Great find! (Mercifull, I can't see your picture either btw)

That's only a technicality, though. Sure, they aren't directly selling XP or GP, but they are selling prizes that pay out XP/GP at a rate that's predictable enough that they might as well be. Precisely my point. You can buy XP/GP in RS now, even though not directly.

People have indeed. Scary amounts as well. A friend of mine bought his way from around 80 to 99 slayer in a matter of a week, give or take. Another person also bought enough to get 99 slayer from level 1, which turned out to be around 9000 USD. But hey, Jagex aren't selling experience so these people are surely liars. Everyone knows 1m Slayer exp per day added on to tons of exp in other skills like cooking, fishing, woodcutting, hunter, agility and so on is fully possible without effigies or soul wars. Jagex are selling XP. They do so through an in-direct way, but they still are selling XP and gold for real-life cash. Which sucks, in my opinion, since it is unfair and really is against the spirit of the game.

Now this is just crazy. Most random blog post I have ever read on here. And funny random/evil ofc. Awesome.

Wrong. in 50 spins I will get a predictably average amount of xp. The more spins you buy the more likely you will reach the average. Yes, buying one spin will not always net you a lamp, but if I can buy a reasonable size packet of spins (50-100) I will get a predictable amount of xp back. (some in random skills, but most in skills of my choice. The problem isn't whether it is chance, but whether it can be reliably predicted. I know that if I spend 100$ I will get 900 spins which nets me just about 1m xp in the skill of my choice, plus a bunch of xp in random skills (even more now with those pendants!) I can reliably predict the value of the 100$ that I could choose to spend. Yes i cannot get accurate out to 5 decimal places, but I can (if I wanted to) get accurate to within a few hundred k of xp. the predictability is the reason that it is selling xp. Just because they don't outright sell me a lamp of 1m xp for 100$, doesn't mean they aren't selling me xp. (Yes, technically it's not direct, as I have to go through a loop to get it) But they sure as heck are selling me xp if I want to buy it. If they limited a player to say.. 10 spins a day, I would be a lot less worried about selling xp since you can't spins in large enough quantity to predict any given purchase. But they don't. They limit players to 900 spins a day. Also, based on the "still might happen" actually requires us to know their internal core random system. I doubt they are using real entropy to generate the random numbers, which means they are using psuedo random numbers (depending on how they seed it). Without looking at source we can't even prove if they rig it. (well, we could show a high likelihood of rigging if we had enough data). This means it might not even be random. It may not be possible to get the result you requested. And that result is so unlikely already that we can reliably show what value someone will get for their money. Approaching the average occurs very fast with the spins. It isn't random when the outcome of xp/spin can be predicted so easily. Precisely. They are selling XP/gold. But they're not doing it directly. You always have a rough predictable chance of getting something. In 100 spins you have a chance of getting X lamps and X coins. But you might very well end up with less/more than these X numbers. The semantics here is important to me: Since a few posts pointed out just that that I was wrong when it came to it. However I am not saying that I like this. I would be just as happy as you if they removed SoF and SGS from the game. However you can, according to me, never say Jagex are selling gold/XP directly. That would mean, to me yet again, that they are having some kind of "Buy 10M for 40 USD" or "Buy 100k Fishing XP for 10 USD" alternatives. THAT, and nothing else, would be to sell gold/xp directly.

They allready sell XP directly, even though they say they don't. SoF Lamps are common enough to be the equivilant of selling XP. At the same time, the SoF makes it impossible for them to sell gold directly. If they did, SoF would be considered gambling and IVPex would have quite a bit of work to do to get around it. I agree with that they do sell xp and gold through the SoF. But they don't do it directly. It is always a chance of winning. Even though I dislike this, it is still not in my opinion a direct way of selling an in-game advantage. Since you actually never is guaranteed X amount of money/xp when you play on the SoF. However I agree mostly with you: If possible, I would love to see the SoF and SGS removed from the game. But I think you understand that this won't be happening now. Jagex are sticking to this now. The post MMG did still did make me feel more hopeful though. Even if we just get rid of most of the bots that would make RS way better in my opinion. I'm still adamant about the SoF being a sale for EXP. Most people seem to buy spins for the EXP, because the EXP rates through SoF Lamps is so much higher than the best methods for most in-game skills. At the start of August, my SoF log showed 1000 Coin wins as 21%, Small Lamps as 19,4%, Medium Lamps as 14% and 5000 Coins as 10%. Any items other than those had less than 5% chance of being obtained. Now at the start of September, my SoF log shows that Small Lamps are 23%, 1000 Coins is 22%, Medium Lamps are 13% and 5000 Coins are at 8%. I haven't made statistics of SoF like you, but I would think that your numbers are not too wrong. You have a chance of buying XP through the SoF. But you never have a chance of buying it directly. Because if you spin 50 times and is unlucky you might just end up with a few XP lamps and tons of 1k/5k/cosmetic items. Which is exactly what I said in my original post. Unlikely: Yes. But still it might happen.

They allready sell XP directly, even though they say they don't. SoF Lamps are common enough to be the equivilant of selling XP. At the same time, the SoF makes it impossible for them to sell gold directly. If they did, SoF would be considered gambling and IVPex would have quite a bit of work to do to get around it. I agree with that they do sell xp and gold through the SoF. But they don't do it directly. It is always a chance of winning. Even though I dislike this, it is still not in my opinion a direct way of selling an in-game advantage. Since you actually never is guaranteed X amount of money/xp when you play on the SoF. However I agree mostly with you: If possible, I would love to see the SoF and SGS removed from the game. But I think you understand that this won't be happening now. Jagex are sticking to this now. The post MMG did still did make me feel more hopeful though. Even if we just get rid of most of the bots that would make RS way better in my opinion.

They also said real life wealth would never affect your gameplay. Look how that turned out. Oh, come on. Why do you got to be so negative :/ ? Certainly there have been broken promises. But at least give them a chance. I don't think they're so incredibly stupid they will actually start selling in-game advantages. Even though they're certainly not far from it now, this post have at least restored some of my faith in Jagex. Let's all hope they keep these promises now. Such a long time player like you, Den, should hope for this. Just as much as myself that too have been around for some years now. I'm a tad confused by this bit. "I don't think they're so incredibly stupid they will actually start selling in-game advantages." Really? Did SoF skip your memory, or does 800k/hr agility not count as an ingame advantage in your book? There should have been an "direct" in-between those words there. My meaning was that they won't be so stupid they sell XP/Gold directly.

They also said real life wealth would never affect your gameplay. Look how that turned out. Oh, come on. Why do you got to be so negative :/ ? Certainly there have been broken promises. But at least give them a chance. I don't think they're so incredibly stupid they will actually start selling in-game advantages. Even though they're certainly not far from it now, this post have at least restored some of my faith in Jagex. Let's all hope they keep these promises now. Such a long time player like you, Den, should hope for this. Just as much as myself that too have been around for some years now.

Precisely my thoughts as well. If you're not happy with the game, then leave and let those who actually enjoy the game play it.

Awesome job man. Keep it up. I love those monsterkills :)

You're getting closer and closer to that level 99 Fletching. Keep it going and good luck as usual.

Two new quests are going to be fun :) And GWD update seems great as well.

This post brings me to believe in the future of RuneScape. I have never thought that RS would die in just a few years, but I was thinking it was starting to get rather dark on its horizon with all of these SoF and Solomon's updates. As mentioned earlier in this thread the forums have been giving a rather negative view of RS at the moment as well. Even though there have certainly been a few people who have been enthusiastic and so the majority have been like "Oh, another SoF update, great *Kills myself/quits/random raging*." or "Meh". And certainly there have been a little too much focus on Solomon's shop and the Squeal of Fortune recently. The "real" updates have many times quickly drown in the news feed because of messages like "Don't forget - Double cash just this weekend on the Squeal of Fortune!". Reminders of this kind can be nice, but please, keep it to a normal level. Let the real update information stay on the top of the news feed and then let these reminders come up below them. Or even better: Just have this information on the SoF/Solomon's store interface. Because of all this it is now great to see that Jagex is actually planning to do quite a few improvements. The best one to me is without doubt the news about the upcoming botbanning. This is something I have been waiting for for a long time now. The first botnuke certainly did its job, but now it is really time for botnuke number 2. We need to get rid of all those cheaters. Jagex managed to nuke them last time, even though many players (especially on these forums actually) doubted it. So I think that even though they will have a harder time now to nuke them, they will manage to do so. Then perhaps we can finally get the prices of resources up at least little more towards normal levels. That way we will finally be able to make money through skilling/collecting again without cheating. The news about the removal of goldfarming spam is great, just like the news about HTML5. JAG could prove to be useful. I have myself been hacked a few times. Probably these hacks have costed me somewhere around 0.5B in total. So yes, I could certainly have some use of this update. Even though I certainly wished that they would have implemented something like this before...But I won't be angry on Jagex for "Why didn't you do this earlier?!!" like some people on the forums sometimes do. I really believe exclaiming those kinds of things doesn't help. I am really appreciating these news from MMG and I am hoping that Jagex now actually goes on with the work to implement these changes into the live game. For a bright Runescape future!

About what you say about the bank space update: Exactly my thought as well. They're really pushing this (too) far now. I bet that we before New Year's Eve will have seen them pushed this even further.

The hunter update seems really nice to me. More private hunting areas than before for sure anyway, even if they are not completely private. It is much better to share a hunting ground together with a few other real players than to share a hunting ground together with a few dozens of bots. I look forward to testing this new distraction and diversion out. Hunter have always been one of my favourite skills. But I don't like that Jagex is starting to sell useful items that are not only cosmetic for real life money. Bank boosters are perhaps not that useful. But this is another quite big step towards selling really useful items in Solomon's store.