unclebilly1

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Same, if I wasn't in a clan I wouldn't even bother with RS. Of course, you are posting in 'Clan Discussion' so I'm pretty much sure everyone here is going to say they're good :

If youd like I can invite a few low lvl BK to practice with us, That way you guys wont waste your time =D Sure, since they're fun wars we're pretty open to anything.

Dang, I hate missing PvP wars :evil: Points for TDMWL - 173; Points for MoD: 50

Points for Downfall - 193; Points for Impact - 50

Points for TKO - 187; Points for Mori - 50

TDMWL will fun war you anytime, long prep, short prep, full out, matched opts, CWA, PvP . . . whatever. We can war any day 1 EST - 5 EST as long as we don't already have another event/war booked. Give me a shout on MSN: [email protected] (if I'm not on just leave me an offline message, I check it pretty much every day.) Or you can come by #tdm_lobby and ask for a warlord, our current warlords are: Unclebilly1, Steve5650, Wolf Rider43, Deathangel61, Adamlister7, Baalboy05, and Acehole31. Any of us can set up a war with you, just let them know it's for fun and not a TWR war, and that you'd like to fight TDMWL and not our full list (unless of course you want TDM in a full-out, but judging by your ML size I don't think that would be a good matchup.)

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Points for Illusion - 191; Points for TK - 50 TWR to be updated shortly

Points for BK - 187; Points for Impact - 50 TWR updated shortly

Points for TK: 196 Points for SoW: 50 TWR will be updated shortly

GJ Illusion. Warring without TS is a huge pain in the rear, though.

Good update. Anything that brings in less 1-itemers is win. It will unbalance pking a bit between the haves and have-nots . . . those that can afford to lose whips (or better) will dominate those that bring dds/scim combos. GF dragon claw prices, lol. Since people will no longer clear their banks to buy them, much less risk them in the wildy, I expect their prices to crash. GS's should crash a bit too, but they're still an effective boss monster weapon so I don't see them crashing as much. Buy rune plates now @@@@ :

Gratz TK, you guys have been super active and you deserve it :thumbsup:

Wow, really unnecessary. Fine if you didn't like Eve's choice of words, but to call our whole clan failboat? I don't see where one influences the other . . . but at least this gave you the opportunity to express how you feel about TDM, I hope you feel better getting that off your chest. As far as a RM? Well . . hmm . . not too sure why you'd want to rematch a failboat clan that's dying (according to you). I guess I'd be upset too if I lost to a clan I considered a failure. Sorry you feel that way. Not our fault your members couldn't be bothered to get on the right spellbook. As far as struggling to get you guys down, it's pretty much impossible to KO someone that knows what they're doing with 12 people. I would hope that a team with your caliber players would be able to tank 12 people (which they did). Or maybe, because we couldn't, we really are failboat. Of course, you guys couldn't bring us down either, let alone beat us, so I guess we're in that boat together, eh? Thanks for providing the starting pics, though.

Sparze and hitman, both of you need to knock it off. A little heated rivalry is fine, even encouraged, but personal insults and RL threats are not. No one's impressed with your e-toughness. Give it a rest.

These topics make me LOL, because the bias in most people becomes blindingly obvious after like 3 posts ;) Anyhoo . . to answer the questions: Because we all know they won't pull 40-60 in PvP. They would probably pull 20. And how many of those would return for 2 hours? 4 hours? 12 hours? And most of their members couldn't return that much even if they wanted to. Clans that don't PvP don't have members with 50, 100, 150 rune sets. Why would you keep so many if you don't PvP? As for non-returning wars, I don't know why anyone would want to fight in CWA. PvP is 1,000,000 times better . . and it affects how people fight. In CWA, people have no problem getting in robes and binding away with 5,000 runes in their inventory. People jump out and snipe at random times when they shouldn't, putting themselves on an island. People slap on full d-hide and mage pray with no worries. Do any of these things wrong in PvP, and kiss your rune goodbye. There is a difference in fighting PvP vs. CWA. Also, you have to consider that a lot of people joined the clans their in because they don't PvP. Some people love their pixels immensely. :D Ye, you guys crashed our PKRI vs Aeon like 2 or 3 weeks ago. :roll: You piled me but didn't kill me, kthxbai :P You've answered your own question there though . . . people don't like to get crashed. It's one thing to donate your rune to the cause, it's another to give it up to crashers. At least VR PK's in rune though (*looks at ZH/DK*) TDMWL fights about half of our wars in PvP. We prefer PvP but will fight CWA if the other clans asks for it, or if we've had a long string of PvP wars in a row. Any TWR clan could fight PvP, the only clans that would have a hard time are those that consistently pull less than 15. Several clans are very active in PvP (Crimson Raiders, Blacknights, etc.) but won't get a PvP war on TWR for that exact reason. There's a huge difference between DK crashing Divine Forces and DK crashing TDMWL. Divine Forces has the options to fight them off. TDMWL and probably every clan except one of two on TWR doesn't have the options. If DK crashes a Divine Forces fight, DF and whoever can fend off DK and then resume their fight. If DK crashes a TDMWL fight, most of the TDMWL and whoever we're fighting are going to get downed. It's an annoyance for clans pulling 200+ options, it's devastating to clans pulling 60-75 options. And "Dedication" is a word that has 2 meanings . . if you're in a top clan and fight for 12 hours, then you're dedicated. If you're in TDMWL and fight for 12 hours, then you're mocked for fighting so long. Dedication wut? I agree that it can show strength and organization. I disagree that it's overkill, though, because PvP is a different type of warring for reasons I've already described above. PvP warring shows strength, organization, and dedication. It just adds that extra element. And it takes a little extra to do the imporatant things like binding and sniping when there is a penalty for mistakes. You don't have to PKRI for a war, lots of clans have non-returning wars also. So your total potential loss is 200k. Even 200k shows dedication though, because not everyone in your clan is willing to lose it. I disagree 100%. Lots of smaller clans have super-dedicated members, my clan is among those. We just fought a 12-hour PKRI with Darkness Awaits, some members losing as many as 48 rune sets (9.6 Million GP). The problem is crashing, it's almost impossible for us to have PKRI's that last over 2 or 3 hours because they get crashed almost every time. And for longer fights AC can be a problem. It's not hard to find an AC for 1 or 2 hours. But for a 5+ hour long fight . . . no one's gonna stay that long. And since we assume we can't fight for over 3 hours anyways without being crashed, there's no point setting up AC for that far in advance. The funny thing is, though, after 6 hours we got enough people watching that they basically formed a rag-tag AC unit themselves :lol: I disagree with this on one level . . . it's true if that clan doesn't mind always being a mid-level clan. Because most really active clan members want big fights. And big fights just don't happen in CWA. So a lot of your really experienced people are going to leave for higher ranked clans. Ah, but it's not just about the loot. Your kills get you food also, which can keep you alive indefinitely. You know how many times I got killed in the 12-hour fight with DA? Zero. I got enough kills to keep my food high, and was only piled briefly a few times. And . . . everyone loots a little bit 8-) LOL . . . Crimson Raiders, Blacknights, and TDMWL already do most of their fighting in PvP. Mori does a little bit in PvP also. TWR clans that I think should step out soon in PvP? DF, TK, LTH, SoW, TDD all come to mind off the top of my head.

TKO - 192; LND - 50

TKO - 194; CR - 50

TK - 188; TDMWL - 50

LOL, seeing a lot of the same replies I'm seeing on RSC :roll: Love that double standard . . if a fight is a 20 v 20, then it should be over in 3 minutes. A 100 v 100 . . well . . my God, that should go on for at least 30 or 40 hours. In a 300 option fight, one or two guys logging out for breaks or looting or whatnot isn't a big deal. In a 60 option fight, it's a huge deal. Seeing has how most people have never been in a PKRI over 3 hours, I can tell you that when you have that kind of time and rune invested you don't want to lose. I was there at the start, and I was one of the last ones standing for TDM. Here's what I posted on RSC, sums it up pretty well:

Is this for TWR? There is no link to a declaration topic nor any [TWR] notation in the topic.

Points for Tempted Killers: 197; Points for Masters of Dragons: 50.