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WOAH.Is that the ghoul mask? Yes it is. :) It was on the rare slot, so I'm not sure how I got it. I am so jelly right now ... :huh:

Not at all -- I am merely making sure that I understand what they're saying as clearly and concisely as possible, prior to offering my next question ... I see, so you follow rules in accordance with what does your personal conscience dictates to you?

Actually, it makes all the difference in the world … A childish evasion but your answer will be most telling: Do you or do you not support rule breaking within the game of Runescape? Yes or no? ------------------- ===== -------------------- Correct, I did, and I have abided by these said rules, apart from possibly the occasional swearing in game that got me in trouble. However, just because I agree to these rules does not mean I agree WITH them. If I were in a position to makes thousands of dollars a month doing relatively no harm to others (except maybe spoiling little Billy's time on some MMO), I would, though. I see, and in real life, did you formally agree to any terms and conditions -- you know -- to abide by the laws/rules of your country of residence? Probably not, but I simply want to ask this question for the purposes of clarification ...

Fascinating. Are you familiar at all with Steven Pinker's "Better Angels of Our Nature"? I'll assume not, but I will ask anyways. You don't strike me as one who's very well versed on the concept of the "social contract". If it were a social contract for something that mattered, and not some stupid videogame run by crooks, I would obviously adhere or would want to. But since it's a videogame, I feel that for all intents and purposes that argument doesn't fly well with me. How interesting. Tell me, when you signed up to play the game itself, you were asked to agree to the terms and the conditions thereof, were you not? And you did agree to the terms and conditions, did you not?

Fascinating. Are you familiar at all with Steven Pinker's "Better Angels of Our Nature"? I'll assume not, but I will ask anyways. You don't strike me as one who's very well versed on the concept of the "social contract".

Indeed? Tell me, what good has ever come of providing a ridiculously small sample group and extrapolating a much larger hypothesis from it? *insert sassier eye-rolling emoticon here* It's an entirely legitimate question -- I mean, if we’re merely engaging in the hypothetical here, and he's not ACTUALLY condoning or otherwise encouraging rule breaking, i.e. RWT by individuals or otherwise, then don’t you think that maybe he should make that point clear? Because, it reads to me like both you and he are condoning it. Just sayin’ …

Nice haul of long bones and curved bones -- did you buy Zombie Implings for those?

Ok, before we really get rolling on this, I have to ask -- when did it become the official position of this forum to openly promote and condone rule breaking within Runescape? I really shouldn't comment on this, but what does it say about someone's character when clan members have to wait to mine a star until their clan leader has touched it for the bonus XP? Well, for one, it says those people aren’t very bright and for another that their clan leader is a douchebag – your point being? :unsure:

For sure - do Slayer. You will get charms, loot AND it will train all the other combat skills along the way.

I could name names, if you like, but it’d probably only result in my being banned from this site and then I’d never get the chance to annoy you. My original point was that you were using too small a sample base on which to expound your cherry picking fallacy. I called shenanigans. But if you'd like to digress the discussion down this merry path, I've a few minutes to kill ... … and if I had a penny for every single time you boys acted like 12-year-olds, I’d be equally wealthy … :rolleyes: Honestly, don't make me mother you. I will. You know I will. Don't make me turn this forum around! <.< I already explained the hyperbole – get over it … So you worship this clown because he bought a car? Really? A car? Wow! I must be getting old. I remember when people respected someone for the quality of their character … :unsure: If you want evidence of the effect I am talking about. How about this case http:// http://www.inquisitr.com/299613/teen-held-at-gunpoint-over-runescape-coin-sale/[/url]? Do you remember it? You should -- you posted it here: http://forum.tip.it/topic/313796-kid-gets-robbed-over-rsgp/. :lol: Ah yes – that’s right. The old “if it weren’t for ________ there wouldn’t be _______” fallacy. Chickens, eggs, whatever -- it really doesn’t matter. One goes hand-in-glove with the other. Just because someone does something stupid, it doesn’t make the person taking advantage of that stupidity morally or socially superior, in any way whatsoever. Again, it speaks to the character of the individual, but since you're only concern appears to be what kind of bling someone has, there isn't much point in explaining it to you.

Ok. The eyes look a lot better. IMO the "chin" is a little "weak", ya know? I feel it should be more prominent and they should attempt to eliminate the over-bite effect.

Gwyn - I don't follow what this means, have they fixed the facial graphics?

… and ya know, I am getting so sick and tired of people ranting and crying and pulling their hair and gnashing their teeth about how Jagex is “going back against their word” about this and that”, and about “how [this or that] is a de facto microtransaction”, and how “that” is something they said they’d never do, but now since they’re doing it, these same people are trying to say that it’s okay to screw around with the game rules because order is meaningless and chaos should now reign the day, blah blah blah … Or how Jagex is only out there looking out for itself, and doesn't care about their players – as though other game designers, or corporate or similar entities are operating under an entirely altruistic purposes elsewhere. I mean, really, people. Please, wake up already. The real world is full of entities out there that only operate for the purposes of their own benefit. In fact, all of them do. We all do. We're no better than the other person 99% of the time. But the difference between those people and the better of us is that, when it finally comes down to it, someone steps up, makes a compromise and realizes that, for the better purposes to the community, it's better to just get along. They call it a "social contract". Did it ever occur to any of you that the reason why Jagex employs some of these tactics is because they’re trying to thwart rule breakers? SOF was clearly an attempt to initiate some form of “safe gambling” in the hope that it might curb some people from getting involved with some of the gambling schemes going on within the game. They are desperately trying to get a handle on things before they get totally out of hand. Your pouring gas on it and setting it on fire isn't helping out, either. Not. One. Bit. And, believe me, I am not attempting to foist any concept of morality upon anyone. I understand that there is always some base desire out there in most primitives that makes them put their own needs, first. That's basic animal behaviour. But you cannot continue to act in a manner which is rule-breaking simply because Jagex doesn’t follow the rules, as you interpret them. Your rule-breaking only leads to Jagex taking further steps, and your reaction to Jagex’s further steps appears to lead you to do more rule breaking. Worse still, now you’re attempting to immortalize “someone you know” who rule-breaks in order adorn them as achieving some higher-plane in inner enlightenment. It’s called a vicious cycle, folks and it doesn't stop until someone puts their foot down … Somewhere, someone has to be adult enough to stop it. Who’s it gonna be? :unsure:

RIP Evil Bob ... *cries* In the words of that wonderful rip off random event from The Prisoner: "be seeing you" ... :wacko: :huh: :lol:

You called his post laughable, then compared RWT'rs to drug dealers. Someone selling RSGP does not have the potential to ruin a person's life and health. What swirling sewer are you on about? It's an online game, and if you want to take it that seriously, then Jagex have already ran the game into the ground, so why does it matter if the players contribute slightly to that end? And I'm confused about your "tantamount to a "well THEY did it first", excuse." line. What's wrong with that? If Jagex aren't willing to uphold their own rules, give me one good reason why the players should? Meh – so I got a little hyperbolic – sue me. If one equates the large-scale entities which are currently operating within Runescape to RWT to, say, an organized criminal organization that sells drugs to dealers, then the individuals who sell their RS gold for cash, whether back to such organizations or directly to buyers, are the equivalent of those who prowl around school yards offering dope to children. While there may be a moral difference between someone selling dope to children to make his living and someone selling RS gold to do the same thing, it is only to a matter of degree. Both actions are wrong, both have negative effects on the community and neither person is worthy of any “grudging” respect. ... and again, if you don't understand that "two wrongs don't make a right", then no matter how often I try to explain it to you, you won't understand it.

Too funny - no really. This is hilarious. I could give a tinker's cuss over what other people do in this game. I've watched in-game friends and other people, even players who have mod status on this forum, break in-game rules time and again, including account sharing, and I've simply ignored it. I'm not Jagex's shill and I've never held the line on anything they say and do with respect to how they manage the game. Is Jagex hypocritical? Sure they are! But two wrongs NEVER make a right. One day, you may realize that. In any event, your efforts to display any RWTer's as some form of modern-day-virtual-Robin-Hood who steals from the rich to give to ... himself, are positively laughable. Yes! Laughable. Ridiculous! Downright ignorant. These people aren't "heroes". They're not to be admired or respected. They're the equivalent of small-time-dope-dealers who frequent elementary school-yards pedalling goods to unsuspecting children while their parents aren't watching. Do you think you live in a vacuum? Really? Do you think that what you do has no effect on the people around you? You cannot display, time and again, the same notion that the world is your ashtray, while ignoring the fact that whatever actions you take have ripple effects elsewhere. It's called "the community". The same goes for people who RWT within the game itself. For every action, there is another reaction. Someone, somewhere, suffers the ill-effects of every single negative action they take. To ignore that simple fact is to deny responsibility for your own actions. To assert that someone who is real world trading to improve their lifestyle isn't affecting anyone but himself is a complete and total schlock argument, based on no evidence whatsoever. You've tossed this notion out there about some altruistic RWT player who's thrown off the shackles of poverty to make their lives better while completely and utterly ignoring the swirling sewer that's been left in the wake behind him. .. and to excuse it by saying that "... well, Jagex are hypocrites ..." is a childish evasion -- tantamount to a "well THEY did it first", excuse. Really. One day, you may actually have children and one can only hope that you imbue them with a better sense of moral fiber than THAT.

I am not doubting that you believe that you're telling the truth, nor am I calling Stev a liar, either. I am merely pointing out the fallacious nature of your statements. Both are the epitome of the anecdotal evident confirmation bias. You assume that what you're saying is right because you can cite one or two examples, while the rest of the data that speaks contrary to your theory and, I may add, lays waste to it, is simply ignored or dubiously forgotten. The "I know a person who" fallacy is one of the most common -- not to mention outrageously silly -- claims that any individual can make, and the comments from both you and Stev are no exception. While I cannot directly deny your "evidence" as factual, I can deny that it has any bearing on the issue of what effect RWT is having on this game and this community. Of the millions of accounts involved with RWT, you can name what, three, maybe four, people who have used real world trading to [enrich or otherwise] improve their lives in a manner which one may deem more worthwhile than the millions of other accounts that are doing the exact same thing for "less" deserving purposes? Really? That's not exactly a fairly broad sample from which one can glean a positive result, is it? Not to mention that, despite the "higher calling" of their virtuous pursuits they are, ultiimately, no better than any other RWTer seeking to enrich themselves within the confines of the game itself. The ends don't justify the means here -- and they seldom ever do.

What a stupid thing to say, way to provide nothing to the coversation while making yourself out to be a sarcastic... knucklehead, at the same time. And yes, most are middle-class teens who just want money, but some do it for legitimate reasons. Pretty strong words coming from someone posting entirely anecdotal nonsense ... :rolleyes: What's wrong with what he's saying? Are you saying there's not those who play/sell in order to actually live? Perhaps you should look up the term anecdotal, hun? You'd get a better idea of what I am saying. My point is that the stories the two of you are throwing around as "evidence" of the altruistic nature of some RWTer's is an example of the cherry picking fallacy, at best. You should look that up too. Furthermore, you should also look up the term "the ends don't justify the means". Once you're done looking these things up, I'd suggest you compare them with the "fact" you're trying to pull out of "you know where". You peeps have got to stop romanticizing these guys as some kind of video-game Jean Valjean. Just sayin'. :rolleyes:

What a stupid thing to say, way to provide nothing to the coversation while making yourself out to be a sarcastic... knucklehead, at the same time. And yes, most are middle-class teens who just want money, but some do it for legitimate reasons. Pretty strong words coming from someone posting entirely anecdotal nonsense ... :rolleyes:

Wait, what? Are you implying that there's a game developer out there who's not only for him/her/it-self? :huh:

And I know a guy who’s a friend of my friend’s former in-law’s second-cousin’s-once-removed uncle’s brother’s former room-mate’s girlfriend, and he/she/it/they took all the money they got from selling Runescape gold and donated it to that cause that both Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are involved with, where every time you click “like” on Facebook, they donate one dollar to that charity that helps that poor country where everyone has cancer and they’re making a cure, so that’s why I don’t hate RWTers … :rolleyes:

I know Starrychelx is still around he's still actively posting on the forums. Kinda makes you wonder if they are a mole to get other people involved with RWT because Jagex can ban whoever they want for no reason at all if they really wanted to. A mole? Why would they need a mole? Half the people on here already know who the culprits are and I'd wager few of them are doing any actual "research". It's not like these clowns are all that difficult to find. Why would they need a mole? Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmole ... Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmole ... Don't say mole. I said mole. Mole. *moley moley moley*

Maybe they have auto-retaliate on? Or killing 138s is just too difficult. I don't know. It's a safe mini-game. Why not simply engage them and at least make them participate? At least then they've nothing to complain about, right? :huh:

I'm sorry - I must have missed it, but why doesn't anyone attack the loafers, again? :unsure:

Also - make sure you grow nasturtiums in the flower patches with your herbs. As in real life farming, Runescape farming also makes us of distraction plots which keep disease away from your money crops ... It may not increase your yields, but you will get fewer diseased plots.