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Yeah, and how many other people do you think do the exact same thing? Willows are the fastest woodcutting exp in the game- you aren't the only one chopping them. Add to this the fact that maples are much much more efficient for training firemaking and fletching, and also flood the market due to Kingdom of Miscellania users, and you have an extremely undesirable item in great supply.

I'm convinced that somewhere on this round earth there is a firm that hires people for the sake of trolling forums and video games. I swear it's always the same people on every forum and in every game. lol noob teh earth is flat :lol:

Perfect updates are ones that don't add new content or disrupt gameplay, but simply make things better for players. A recent example is tweaking the movement system to minimize dancing with monsters. Can you imagine how happy players would be if we got things like that three times a month instead of throwaway low level quests?

I always keep a level 3 clue on hand, and do it when I'm just sick of doing whatever training I'm up to at the time. It's simply not worth taking time off from something else to do them unless you would just log out otherwise.

I don't remember the last time I facepalmed this hard.

I'm going to guess from context that you are a free player, and as such will second flesh crawlers. If you're a member, green dragons are fantastic, since you get a ton of money from the bones and hides. I'd also suggest downloading Firefox and enjoying the built-in spellcheck function.

Junk generally doesn't change in price much unless Jagex notices and changes it. You see, the beauty of junk is that, just like the underpriced items like third age, nobody is dumb enough to trade them on the GE. Nobody wants to pay that much for addy arrows (p++) or addy javs. Ever. And if nobody trades them on the GE, it doesn't update. Of course, this could easily be fixed by just fixing the GE. But there I go dreaming again.

Why do people keep SAYING this? You can't sell junk for cash. Nobody will pay for it. THAT is what makes it junk. It doesn't matter that it has a use in junk trades, because it is NOT interchangeable with cash. Why is this concept so hard for some people? Why do you people keep saying THAT!? Any item can be sold if the price is right. If the item is REALLY "junk", then no one would take it even for free, and that's what the price should be, free. Example: Scrolls. Let's say they sell to the general store for 10 GP. Are you telling me no one would pay 1 GP for them? Sorry, but you're wrong. All it takes is some people posting "Hey new players, to make a quick buck, buy a few hundred thousand varied scrolls and sell them to the store for a sizeable profit." If it REALLY is junk, then the price should be 0 gp. Fix the prices, and junk trading no longer exists. The point he was trying to make was that the junk was worth money ON THE GE, which it isn't. Of course every single item has a price at which it will sell, it's just that the GE tends to miss it by a factor of 5 or more on some items.

This marks the first time I have ever seen somebody misinformed about junk trading admit it and change their mind! \

I can formulate my own ideas about how to drive well, but if I'm a six year old kid who only has riding in the back seat for experience, nobody's going to take me seriously. Similarly, if you've never junk traded, your definition of junk might not make a whole lot of sense to people who actually do it. This is fine until you start telling people how wrong junk trading is based upon your definition, the same way the six year old has little grounds to instruct an adult that it's more effective to drive on the other side of the road.

I don't know if I count it as a definition of junk if the only people who use it don't junk trade.

Are we talking about real or imaginary junk trading? Real junk trading works fine and is used daily, and is an inevitable response to Jagex's broken GE. Imaginary junk trading that nobody actually does is not worth discussing.

Nice try wannabe modding, but you don't actually have the power to kick me off your thread. I don't value an opinion that is based blindly, and I refuse to pretend to. I do value opinions backed up with some sort of logic, even if I don't agree with it. You can consider how people MIGHT junk trade all you want, but don't then act as though I've condoned what you've just imagined. If you see somebody actually doing these things, you can go argue with them about it, but I specifically support only the kind of junk trading that isn't ridiculously stupid.

You're saying that you can't sell junk for cash, but that's just not true. If you trade a regular bone to somebody (and that is pretty junky), and they put up coins and accept, that piece of junk just got sold... for cash! The fact of the matter is, when you make a real junk trade, that junk doesn't become the item you want to make a profit on. they doesn't integrate, merge or fuse. You are still selling that junk. What makes it a "profit" is that you didn't have to spend money on collecting all of it. I don't know what the market is like on bones, but if you can throw in a few hundred on the GE at low and they sell, they aren't junk. That's the whole point of junk items. Now, go try to sell addy arrows (p++) for cash in any sort of bulk. Oh wait, you can't. That's why they're junk. Get it now? The second part of your post has sufficient grammar errors that I honestly can't understand what you're trying to say. If you try again I'd be glad to try to respond. I accept junk trading (I wouldn't say I like it, but it's a necessary evil as long as trading is stuck this way), and have valid reasons for my position. I'm not seeing any reasons from you, so excuse me if I completely dismiss your opinion. That could be considered one form of junk. What about items that just don't have a market because of lack of demand, not having to do with the price. And in the end does it necessarily matter if the person can sell them again? If you have a way to make junk without spending extensive time doing it, and without spending anything at all on it, you would still make more money... but then we get back into the whole "items don't integrate" idea. Again, you'd just be selling individual items. There's many different ways to look at it. As far as I'm concerned, there isn't just one way to junk trade, and not just one kind of junk. This discussion isn't going to work very well if you make up your own definition for something I'm trying to defend. I'm not going to argue in favor of going out and gathering 100k cooked chickens, I'm sorry, that's not how real, non-made-up junk trading works. If you could shift your discussion to the reality of junk trading, rather than what you imagine it to be, you'll probably look a little bit smarter, and we'll be able to have a real discussion.

I'm sorry, I don't think you've been listening to anything anybody has said in the thread. You might want to reread it, particularly the part about addy arrows (p++) from Kril. As to your opening question, an item becomes junk when it cannot be sold on the GE due to the GE price being far higher than anything a reasonable person would be willing to pay.

Money people would have spent anyway, yes. What, you think the only point in training Summoning is making junk? Of course, using most (but not all) pouches as junk has become pointless now that we can exchange them for shards.

Why do people keep SAYING this? You can't sell junk for cash. Nobody will pay for it. THAT is what makes it junk. It doesn't matter that it has a use in junk trades, because it is NOT interchangeable with cash. Why is this concept so hard for some people?

Hahahaha, I did that one time waaaay back in Classic. I was probably around level 20, and heard about *GASP* free chaos runes! Now, this was early enough in the game that I was nowhere near the only noob who thought a chaos rune spawn sounded great, especially on ftp, so it was pretty crowded up there. I was clicking rapidly to try to get it first after missing like 5 spawns, and somebody walked in front of my mouse. I accidentally attacked them and got skulled. Apologized profusely, ran away, and tried to exit the castle. Before I could reach the door, however, somebody about 5 or 10 levels over me who was already skulled attacked me and owned me badly. Keep in mind this is before A) you could eat during a battle, B) you could teleport during a battle (not that I had the ability to do either thing at the time), and C) run from a battle in the first three turns. In other words, the Wilderness was still dangerous, as it hasn't been since the release of RS2. I had been smart enough to only bring three items, but of course my skull made me lose them all- I think it was either black or mithril armor and battleaxe/longsword.

I used to fletch and alch yew longs. Wasn't great money, but I'm glad I did it because it got me a lot of magic levels I probably wouldn't have otherwise gotten until much later. I also meleed and ranged blue dragons and sold the bones and hides after the level 70 agility pipe in Taverly came out. But that wasn't silly, I made pretty good money at that, and the exp didn't hurt.

Right, that's how Jagex programmed it. That's what's wrong. I'm saying they need to CHANGE the programming to be non-stupid. Then the GE will work. Isn't that the whole point of suggesting improvements? Changing the way things work to make them better?

One time, back in the days when autoers kept the free version varrock general store stocked with cheap willow logs, I was training firemaking. I had some barrows armor and a red mask on, so I was getting quite a bit of attention from all the poor low levels. One person in particular stands out. Noob: Hey u wana b my friend? Me: No thanks, I don't actually know you. Noob: k. Then he walked off, and I went back to my business. In about ten minutes, the SAME guy comes back, with the same noob armor and everything, but as a female. Noob: Hey u want a gf? Me: Weren't you male earlier? Noob: No... I double checked my chat history and yeah, it was the same person. I thought it was pretty funny.

Contrary to popular belief, the GE COULD work without completed trades. Let's take the case of, say, blue partyhats. The GE thinks they're worth more than they actually are. Thus, players who want to sell one are glad to put in offers to sell their hats at the low price, and I promise that if you put in an offer right now, you would receive a blue partyhat instantly. So, the GE knows that there are tons of people who WANT to sell blue partyhats for less than they are allowed. At the end of each day, when prices are decided, it knows that there are a few hundred unfulfilled offers at minimum, and currently is programmed to then keep the price level. What if, if there are outstanding offers to sell an item at the low price at the end of the day, the price were to automatically lower a full 5%? Well hey, that would solve the problem, wouldn't it? For some reason, Jagex refuses to do this, but it's not as if the problem CAN'T be solved. They are just legitimately being stupid, so please stop spewing crap about how "if you don't use it Jagex can't do anything about it." Jagex knows exactly how to make it work.

There are two things that could change this loop. One is a change in player behavior, with people spontaneously deciding to all throw money into a black hole at once. The other, far more reasonable option is Jagex fixing their broken system. If the prices were right, players wouldn't think (read: know) that the GE is flawed. But God forbid the company we're all paying would solve their own problem. No, so many people seem to think that the customers are supposed to interrupt their playing to solve it. Let me know how that works out for you when/if you actually get enough money to be affected by third age and rare item prices.

Man, I've been doing it wrong. Better sell my Bandos and go buy some bronze. Anyway, I'd say if you don't have money to blow, rune plate and legs are fine. If you have a little more, a dragon skirt and granite plate is even better. I wouldn't ever bother with a d chain, since granite is so close to being as good for so much less money. If you really do need that extra defense, go for Torag's plate and just only use it when you really need to. If defense is not an issue (which is becoming more and more the case with Bunyip, Guthans, bones to peaches, etc...), a pennance fighter torso has a nice little strength bonus attached and doesn't cost millions. Obviously the best choice in most situations is Bandos, with quite good defense and a strength bonus, but that's more of a luxury item.

Runescape, straight Runescape, does not download that much. I can say with relative certainty that you were using your Internet for things besides Runescape, and that those were primarily responsible for your bandwidth usage.