pulli23

I just elitism in runescape.. People want to have power and show that off by disallowing others in their team.

With the addition of the GE and GE graphs every kid and their mother considers himself a merchant these days. If you notice on almost every system update that impacts an item even slightly there are always dramatic price swings for that item and any item related to it... rarely are these swings caused by an update themself but by people panic buying/selling or trying to profit off of the update. It is how the player base reacts to updates that generallly causes the price fluctuations. No market is perfectly stable in real life or in RS, price fluctuations are a part of life. They are going to happen whether i take advantage of them or not, so i might as well sell and re-buy my items just like 80% of the rs population does and come out ahead instead of having no change in my bank value or a negative change in my bank value. You talk like those drug-sellers at the corner of the streets: "hey if I don't sell them the stuff, simply someone else will do".. It's no excuse to merchant.. Nad profit from someone else's loss

still can anyone answer me, why would you care for some random person to view what you've written? -I rather have 2 people view it who actually reply, than a 1000 who don't

@xpandax: Uhm isn't that considered a bad thing to do? - By doing so you will only create bigger fluctuations in the market and let it react more eradic.. Something nobody wants.

I like that your first responce is a personal attack :rolleyes: If you ask me THIS is what is wrong with the Tip.it community However it does make sense, people that go and ask a question here gets tons more responses then people who post on the help and advice forums from the getgo. Well it wasn't an personal attack at you, more about what I think about people who do so (or even think about doing so). But anyways, don't you think there is a reason forums are divided? - It's so that people who can't be bothered to answer your questions/comment on your suggestions/read your newest achievements don't have to read them! If I read your achievements you would simply be wasting my time, I wouldn't reply and you'll get nothing for it? (Well and if views is what you care about, you ARE an attention freak by definition of the word)

I really hate these weekends.. I missed previous weekend and I still face the consequences (I literary dropped 30k rangs in herblore & summoning). These weekends are simply unfair for those who couldn't be there!

So you're an attention freak? Those who look at it and aren't looking for a suggestion won't be worthwhile viewers anyways: why would you care that they look at your post?

But I'm wondering: why do you care so much? Price go up and down the whole time. - But you should only buy what you need (and sell what you don't need).. Surely you aren't merchanting are you?

not the same? - Well that means no skill would be included. But I hope never ever comes such a weekend anymore.. Or at least make it a mid-week to keep life fair for those who can't play during weekends

Well yes, but if that were the case for the whips going down, shouldn't that have happened a while ago? Or maybe a lot people are just now starting to get 80 and finally selling their whips? (I know I sold mine as soon as I got 80 a few weeks after dunj was released.) Well it's not something many people "know" and can achieve yet.. So it finally will die a normal product's death..

Uhm dungeoneering rewards make whips obsolete?

Ow and please, please tell me how dungeoneering shows that jagex wants you to rush lvls? - There is lots of stuff also at the lower levels, the rewards are also good for lower levels and there is no disadvantage there to being lower level. (monster & skilldoor lvl will adjust to the lvls you are). Define: "help us players".. In my opinion "help us players" means helping achieving what they want to do. Tell me if I'm dead wrong, but I believe everybody plays a game for fun right? (Otherwise you really should get some help from experts) Thus bots would be good if they helped players achieving "fun" and "enjoyment". Now what about those who like the mining guild, those who like doing things on their own, those who hate the new updates and prefer the old ways (yes whenever I said an update wasn't good I was told "don't use it", so here I am, still trying to train prayer through ecto functus as I believe the house update has made prayer training too cheap and should be removed.). That bots make those players have less fun (and thus not helping) isn't of any importance? Sorry but if that is the case I think we're done talking. I'm from RSC still (yes the time where you went for miles to get some certs), so yes I know that removing bots is an utopia.. However jagex should always put a lot of effort on making the game so that bots have as little influence as possible. Pre GE update I myself could take an active role (if I went to W2 and saw someone with a dubious name I simply refused to trade, I want to have fair trade stuff, not botted stuff). However now we have no influence anymore (no1 reason I am DIY now). Another point is that their influence is getting stronger and stronger. (and since they couldn't trade gold 1 on 1 anymore, the bots simply responded to the GE updates by creating MORE bots). Yet what we see is that jagex is taking a much more lax stance in their anti-bot behaviour, and thus "encouraging" mains to get bots.. (yes I see it happening already, people who bot all combat & skills to 99, not for money to sell, but to have a main). I've seen an "obvious" bot who had a total level of 2k-something.

ARGH ring world, please read my post first before replying I feel like i'm talking to a dead wall here. - If Jagex really wanted people to go as fast as possible through their game, they would simply remove all non-fast methods and provide the materials themself. You are really ignorant and really saying: hey if you don't do it my way you deserve to be punished! Please get some social sense and learn that this is a game supposed to be fun, for everyone.. And not everyone likes what you like! Really maybe I like the environment of the mining guild more, because I have some history there.. And hence would like to "quietly" mine there.. Since when has the community moved from a (mostly) DIY where people would help each other but respect the choices of others, To a community all in a hurry for "200M xp in each stat as fast as possible" where you're flaming others and hoping life for them is as miserable as possible if they don't fit in your playing style? Disgusting

Uhm maybe obsolete in terms of raw profit... But you know, this is a game, and games aren't about profit mostly.. They are about having fun! And beating cave slime is a lot more fun & relaxing than fighting over lv 2 man.

>Implying that there is a "correct" way to play Runescape. Agreed. If Jagex wanted you to gather all the resources for yourself (aka "how it was intended to be played") then they wouldn't have put in a trade option or the G.E. They would have made it so that you had to do everything yourself and couldn't buy resources from other players to power through skills. Obviously that's not how the game is intended to be played, otherwise there wouldn't be very much social aspect to the game other than talking to people. Besides that there would be no interaction between players at all besides boss hunting. Wow how ignorant is that, please read my previous post in this topic.. The spawns are there for a reason you know. This game used to be pridefull as you could completely build your own character in a perfect way without help of others. And its very big number of skills with lots of ways to train them. (hence a class system was removed in the early days). Even zezima -who you guys still seem to adore as a half deity- once said when asked for what his secret was: "I dont merchant...at all. I cant even say that issue really applies to me in any way. I have 7 party hats (a full set + an extra blue) but Id never sell them, so I cant say its an investment." And really if you think runescape is only about getting levels as fast as possible and then do the most profitable action.. Why the hell aren't you angry at jagex? - They waste a lot of bandwidth on other not as fast resources like "coal", "mithril", "yew logs", "sharks". The way you're talking now it would be best if jagex would just remove those spots. Heck remove skilling altogether, everyone knows combat yields best money: and everyone should always take the fastest method for a skill. So jagex could just create their own supply of food & other materials. (You're literary saying to leave those spots for bots now). God forbid you actually try to have fun with the game!- You're really talking as if the people who rush through the game have more right to speak than those who actually do what a game is meant for: have fun gaming!

I must've missed this "comeback" post. You really shouldn't be so harsh about other people.. you know, people like variety, and aren't all -like you are probably- gifted with bot-like determination! I remember "shortly" after hunter was introduced, there was a guide writing these were for low lvls around combat lvl ~60-70 these gave 250K+.. Now the prices of all items are inflated, and you can actually keep lots of gems with the gem bag. so I think you can make a good 300-400K an hour here with low level combat stats!

Players like you are inefficient and tend to have low leveled stats. I dont pity your plight against bots, simply put minning your own coal (lol who trains smithing making bars that require coal anyways) and other ores is the worst way to get smithing up. Do yourself a favor and if your going to be inefficient with how you play at least do it the easy way. Get your mining to 77 (powermine iron, powermine granite do what it takes) then go to LRC and mine concentrated coal then gold. Mine to 99 then a little past 99 then get 99 smithing that way. Hell if you want you can even get 92 crafting if you decide to turn those bars into gold ammys. Seriously thats stupid and inefficient but bots STILL are not a problem doing that way. Honestly people like you remind me of pures [bleep]ing up their accounts then blaming Jagex. Wait a minute: so people who enjoy what jagex put in the game (a mining guild, coal ores, coal-based bars).. Are bad, and [bleep]ing up their account? - And should be doing something else since YOU think that is better? Wow what a great community we have here ><

That describes it all.. Nowadays it seems a must that everyone needs to be big, and have lots of shareholders.. There is a problem with this way: sooner or later the one who setted up the company will retire.. And the one to follow him up will be a (sell appointed) "manager" (ugh I hate to announce that word, a better word would be "leecher"). At that point the headquarters will be putted at some "strategic important" location. - Like in the US. Then after a year or 2-3 the shareholders start demanding more profit (even if the company is making good profit already). And as a manager -who doesn't know anything about the culture the company was started, and doesn't feel any affliction wth the work that is being done- he just sees 2 ways to make money: get more done, or cut in the costs.. Getting more work done isn't possible without risky technological advancements: so the manager (who doesn't want to take risks and pray for 20 years in the future, he only cares about the next 5 years as by then he earned enough to live out his life on the Bahamas) simply starts cutting in the costs.. And start "splitting up" (read: destroying everything people build) the company in smaller parts. Without any regard for the people & families behind that company, nor the culture & goals. He will close perfectly profitable parts of the company just so he gets more shortterm profits and earns his bonus from the shareholders. Then after that doesn't make enough money he'll simply move important parts (first the cheap production lines, then the research) to low-cost countries like india. After that he still hasn't enough, his eyes are full of $$$ and he wants more. The last bit of the company is being simply taken away and brought to other countries.. Yet now he sees already a small dip in his profits.. He quikly decides he has done his job very well -he did create lots of profit in the years he was the head- and leaves the company to it's own. -not forgetting his bonus for leaving the company of course-. Now the company starts a downward spiral, and suddenly becomes a victim for an aggressive take over: someone who splits up the company even more.. Decides that thousands of jobs are not making profit (wow who would've guessed, a company is a whole - splitting it up creates just 2 non working parts). And in the end the company is only a sandpiece of the castle it once was. And what does the manager say (of course while smoking a fat cuban sigar in his villa at the bahamas): see my job was very important; while I was there I was making lots of profit, since I left the company has gone down hill. How I love the economic model these days! exagerration and watching movies much? jumping to conclusions much? also your example can basically not be applied to this business section. stuff like "moving the production to india" etc. this is Jagex, not Nike. I don't see how your post has any relevance at all here. Nope it's literary what happened here to a company called "philips".. It used to be "our" proud, from this region, where frits philips started his company and let it grow as consumer electronic company. All production parts are already closed down.. And now research is closed.. My father who worked for research about "poly-leds" (polymere leds, which would be able to create bendable screens), suddenly has nothing to work for.. He was leading the research for 20 years already.. But some manager -pushed by the shareholders from especially the US- said it wasn't profitable enough.. And the research part had to stop halfway research (now it's going to production to reap it's benefits now instead of investing in future). 100s of people are loosing there job thanks to this simple action. My father has worked long enough that philips doesn't want to loose him yet, however my father looses something he has worked on for years, something he was proud of. - He could say: hey that was something I made possible! How inhuman is to do that all to strive for better profit especially on short term? Ow and don't get me started about GAMMA holding.. Also sold out to some private investors from the US & oil states. It was (and still is) very productive and making profit. Yet the investors want the money back and suddenly 2000 people lose their job next year - where is the humanity? Or the company called "V&D", founded during the golden age.. Yet since around 1980 in foreign hands: and "suddenly" that company has started closing many shops, and is even being sold out for "any price reasonable". - Where is the proudness for such a long history in a company? But this is striving off topic: I just hope jagex can hold their own in this world while it lasts (sooner or later a change has to be made in this *all for money* world. Else in 15 years we'll reach a point where global environment starts becoming poisonous, and we'll break the point where nature will not -easily- restory itself).

That describes it all.. Nowadays it seems a must that everyone needs to be big, and have lots of shareholders.. There is a problem with this way: sooner or later the one who setted up the company will retire.. And the one to follow him up will be a (sell appointed) "manager" (ugh I hate to announce that word, a better word would be "leecher"). At that point the headquarters will be putted at some "strategic important" location. - Like in the US. Then after a year or 2-3 the shareholders start demanding more profit (even if the company is making good profit already). And as a manager -who doesn't know anything about the culture the company was started, and doesn't feel any affliction wth the work that is being done- he just sees 2 ways to make money: get more done, or cut in the costs.. Getting more work done isn't possible without risky technological advancements: so the manager (who doesn't want to take risks and pray for 20 years in the future, he only cares about the next 5 years as by then he earned enough to live out his life on the Bahamas) simply starts cutting in the costs.. And start "splitting up" (read: destroying everything people build) the company in smaller parts. Without any regard for the people & families behind that company, nor the culture & goals. He will close perfectly profitable parts of the company just so he gets more shortterm profits and earns his bonus from the shareholders. Then after that doesn't make enough money he'll simply move important parts (first the cheap production lines, then the research) to low-cost countries like india. After that he still hasn't enough, his eyes are full of $$$ and he wants more. The last bit of the company is being simply taken away and brought to other countries.. Yet now he sees already a small dip in his profits.. He quikly decides he has done his job very well -he did create lots of profit in the years he was the head- and leaves the company to it's own. -not forgetting his bonus for leaving the company of course-. Now the company starts a downward spiral, and suddenly becomes a victim for an aggressive take over: someone who splits up the company even more.. Decides that thousands of jobs are not making profit (wow who would've guessed, a company is a whole - splitting it up creates just 2 non working parts). And in the end the company is only a sandpiece of the castle it once was. And what does the manager say (of course while smoking a fat cuban sigar in his villa at the bahamas): see my job was very important; while I was there I was making lots of profit, since I left the company has gone down hill. How I love the economic model these days!

Uhm Download prayer calculator.xlsx <- there you can find all data (calculation as well as raw prayer data). The raw data I all tested with the "piety" prayer on (and averaged over 5 tests for each point). I know a slow draining prayer would be more accurate but as you can see the line is pretty good - and slower would've ment I had to account for logging out while waiting for it to drain. looking at rune wikia: here shows this formula: modified drain rate = Prayer drain rate × (1 + (3⅓% × Prayer bonus)) Which is "exactly" the same as the formula I calculated (god awful way to write percentages in formulae). (prayer drain rate = 1/base, modified drain rate = 1 / prayer points a second). What I'm thinking is that people simply told each other something many times, and then believe it. What is true is that the difference between 20 & 30 saves just as much as the difference between 2 & 3. So at higher levels it indeed might be worthwhile to put your outfit for more offense instead of prayer.

metal dragons destroy your cannon :P anyways I guess the firegiants are a good spot to do some relaxed training too?

Its important to note that prayer bonus does not work linearly. Having +30 prayer is exactly the same as having +20 prayer. You only need about +15 at the very least. BCP provides extra strength and prayer, hence why it's useful (though not worth the price tag if it would cripple your bank). When power slaying, you should always use a DDS or dragon claws for specs, and only use healing familiars in single combat zones. Are you certain about that? This is the first time in 5 years of RS ive heard that. I definitely notice a difference when using a +30 prayer bonus as opposed to +15. Until I can find info suggesting otherwise, I will stick with my statement. I agree with having offensive spec weapons, but if you are powerslaying and do not have summoning, you will need some sort of hp restorer. food is too old fashioned, but can be used. If you're power slaying you use a combat familiar and an offensive spec weapon. Notice that I said +15 is the MINIMUM to use piety or turmoil. You'll notice a slight difference between +15 and +30, but no difference between +20 and +30 (I personally hover around +18). You will lol.. with 20 bonus you'll use 0.4 prayer point a second. (resulting in -at lv 70- 60 prayer doses an hour) with 30 bonus you'll use 0.333 points a second (resulting in 45 doses an hour) And that is using the formula I just tested for.. (which unsurprisingly was exactly the same as runewikia's)

Now you actually have to choose between a weapon.. Not simply follow the crowd.. I'm all for a great range of equally strong weapons so we finally get to see some DIFFERENCES in set ups :). You can poison a spear and it can hit most monsters weaknesses. Why limit yourself to specific attack styles when you can have a broad range? The poison damage also helps you out a lot. What other weapons, besides daggers, can be poisoned? There's a good reason why spears were the most popular. Because often if you choose a "role" you get more variety in a game. Ie someone plays a tank and takes the stufff for that.. Another person plays as DPS, another as nuke, and someone as support.. Would give much more tactic to dungeoneering and runescape as a whole

Now you actually have to choose between a weapon.. Not simply follow the crowd.. I'm all for a great range of equally strong weapons so we finally get to see some DIFFERENCES in set ups :).

There are chaos druids there o.O? Wow then Jagex' conspiracy was bigger than I thought. Not only will pray pots and ranarrs stay low but training herblore in general might get a lot cheaper @PikachuMayhem - I'm pretty sure that's against the rules and if it really does work that way then there's gonna be a lot of competition that will render it not nearly as profitable + the people couldn't kill Chaos Druids then. There are also chaos druids in edgevile dungeon.. And hardly ever they are crowded.. So why would these be?