Whilst building up my Agility, Ape Atoll seemed a lot better than Dorgesh Kaan's course for me. It's faster experience, but it just feels so slow, really weird, it's hard to maintain the grind there. I recommend possibly getting a whole load of summer pies and moving onto the Advanced Gnome Course asap if you do ever feel the grind getting to you. [/hide] I used ape all the way to 99 last summer, and there is no secret on how to avoid the insanity other than becoming insane yourself. :cry: Yeah, the course variation helps very little. Getting the agile top+legs will help - minigoals are ftw. And hi Silo. :P I think you took me off your friends list. again. *feels unloved*