2008 Presidential Election

[adam_ross0]

Idon't really care who gets it..I can't vote, so I haven't been paying much attention. I just hope HILARY doesn't get it. Take away our right to bear arms? Anti-Video Game?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Right to Bear Arms: Good luck taking that away. Take this away, Government, and the whole country'll be dead soon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anti Video Game:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is just stupid.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh My Gosh!! Billy picked up this game called 'Grand Theft Auto 3' or something and I saw him shooting people! SHOOTING PEOPLE!!?!?!!? What next, is he gonna go in our neigborhood and shoot Old Lady Fart?! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, guess what? If he's too young to understand the game, then don't let him play it! My gosh. *I* am 13 (underage to play GTA)..and do you see me running around with an Uzi shooting up a store?

[Satenza]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can you Bari, tell my why Homosexuality, Abortion and every act you deem to be immoral is wrong?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Homosexuality: God created Man and Woman. And let's look at it from an anatomy angle. The plumbing doesn't fit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Abortion: All are created through God through conception. That means the Zygote is a living creature in God's eyes from the moment of gestation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

List some more.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PS: You are starting to generalize again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, lets lay this down the line. Homosexuality is wrong because it doesn't follow a biological way. Thats what you define right and wrong by? This must be it since you already told me that the Bible is outdated and we can't take what it says to be literal.

[redserpent4]

If i was American I'd go for Barack Obama

[Barihawk]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can you Bari, tell my why Homosexuality, Abortion and every act you deem to be immoral is wrong?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Homosexuality: God created Man and Woman. And let's look at it from an anatomy angle. The plumbing doesn't fit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Abortion: All are created through God through conception. That means the Zygote is a living creature in God's eyes from the moment of gestation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

List some more.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PS: You are starting to generalize again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, lets lay this down the line. Homosexuality is wrong because it doesn't follow a biological way. Thats what you define right and wrong by? This must be it since you already told me that the Bible is outdated and we can't take what it says to be literal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...When did I say that?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Bible is full of literal truth and figurative lessons. If you actually read the Bible, study it, and take into context, you can actually learn when to take the Bible literally, and when to take it figuratively.

[Satenza]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can you Bari, tell my why Homosexuality, Abortion and every act you deem to be immoral is wrong?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Homosexuality: God created Man and Woman. And let's look at it from an anatomy angle. The plumbing doesn't fit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Abortion: All are created through God through conception. That means the Zygote is a living creature in God's eyes from the moment of gestation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

List some more.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PS: You are starting to generalize again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, lets lay this down the line. Homosexuality is wrong because it doesn't follow a biological way. Thats what you define right and wrong by? This must be it since you already told me that the Bible is outdated and we can't take what it says to be literal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...When did I say that?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Bible is full of literal truth and figurative lessons. If you actually read the Bible, study it, and take into context, you can actually learn when to take the Bible literally, and when to take it figuratively.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, you said;

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You are taking a 4000-6000 year old quote, and giving it modern meanings.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Practically ALL of those quotes are not to be taken literally. They are moral plays and lessons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So it is of your opinion that all of the Bible can't be taken for fact. You pick and choose what is a "moral lesson" and what is not. So thats your interpretation of it, you don't follow some passages as absolute truth you pick and choose. Showing that what you beleive isn't divine in any aspect but an interpretation as to whether it is true or not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The reasons you have given as to why homosexuality is wrong is;

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Because it says so in the Bible

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But you admitted that you don't take it all literally, and choose for yourself, making all of what the Bible says underquestion as to if it is true or not. So you assume that this verse is fact = Your interpretation, not neccessarlity the truth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. Because it's wrong Biologically.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Meaning that you define morality by what is right and what is not right in a biological aspect.

[Barihawk]

1st: I made an error. We need to take this to the appropriate thread.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2nd: I applaud you. You're trying to walk me into a box. You are not only taking Biblical quotes out of context, you are taking my quotes out of context. I'm almost tempted to stop taking you seriously. This is the third time this conversation I've noticed this ploy.

[Satenza]

1st: I made an error. We need to take this to the appropriate thread.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2nd: I applaud you. You're trying to walk me into a box. You are not only taking Biblical quotes out of context, you are taking my quotes out of context. I'm almost tempted to stop taking you seriously. This is the third time this conversation I've noticed this ploy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It was a straight forward question:

 

 

 

 

 

 

tell my why Homosexuality, Abortion and every act you deem to be immoral is wrong?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Homosexuality: God created Man and Woman. And let's look at it from an anatomy angle. The plumbing doesn't fit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The point of genitalia is for reproduction and child rearing. Their function in a homosexual relationship is useless aside from pleasure. They can not be fruitful and multiply.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

These are purley biological aspects as to why you think it's wrong in regards to my question which specificallys asks why you think it's wrong in a moral aspect.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How is that taken out of context.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not walking you into a box, you have done that by yourself. Which shows how clearly flawed what you deem to be morality is.

[cryztalwing]

out of those listed I am going to say Ron Paul. There are more people running that was not listed any way, why Ron Paul?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Paul first ran for President as the Libertarian candidate in 1988, receiving a massive 400,000 votes. He now commands the support of those all across the political spectrum, from libertarians through anti-war Democrats to real paleoconservative Republicans.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Paul has been in and out of Congress since the 70's and is universally hated by the Republican elite, who routinely back Democrats against him just to try and get him out of office. The former Vietnam flight surgeon is the perfect candidate for President and activists from every corner of every political persuasion should mobilize now in an attempt to help Paul shatter the power monopoly of the Republican and Democrat establishment who have worked together for decades to slit America's throat in the interests of power, greed, and ego - all working towards the realization of a new world order.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Texan represents a dying breed in Congress, those who actually cast their votes in accordance with the Constitution and not at the discretion of lobbyists or the fear that the elite will tarnish their political careers if they don't continually support the establishment. As a result Ron Paul is the elite's worse nightmare, simply having him on the ticket itself will be a massive public relations blow, and that's why media organs will probably be activated to try and discredit him before 2008.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Paul was one of only a handful of Republicans to vote against the illegal invasion of Iraq, contenting rightly that the Constitution clearly states that only Congress can declare war. In bucking a trend, Paul was anti-war long before the majority of the country came around to a similar way of thinking following the catastrophe of the occupation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

According to the Associated Press, "Paul bills himself as "The Taxpayers' Best Friend," and is routinely ranked either first or second in the House by the National Taxpayers Union, a national group advocating low taxes and limited government."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On every single issue of national importance - borders, the war, limited government, U.S. sovereignty, tax and the federal reserve - Ron Paul stands for populist ideals that the country is screaming out for after seven years of hell under Bush, preceded by eight years of disgrace under Bill Clinton.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ron Paul voted against the Patriot Act, opposes the draft, advocates the abolition of the income tax, urges the re-introduction of the gold standard, and stands against initiatives to strip the U.S. of its sovereignty such as CAFTA and the FTAA.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From reforming Marijuana laws to supporting an unregulated Internet, to supporting the 2nd amendment, Ron Paul hits home with keystone populist issues across the board.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Last month he introduced The Second Amendment Protection Act of 2007

 

 

 

A BILL

 

 

 

To restore the second amendment rights of all Americans.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This Act may be cited as the `Second Amendment Protection Act of 2007'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SEC. 2. REPEAL OF 1993 LAW PROVIDING FOR A WAITING PERIOD BEFORE THE PURCHASE OF A HANDGUN, AND THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A NATIONAL INSTANT CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK SYSTEM TO BE CONTACTED BY FIREARMS DEALERS BEFORE THE TRANSFER OF ANY FIREARM.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Public Law 103-159 is repealed, and any provisions of law amended or repealed by such Act are restored or revived as if such Act had not been enacted.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SEC. 3. ELIMINATION OF SPORTING PURPOSES DISTINCTION.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(a) Section 5845(f) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended--

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(1) by striking `which the Secretary finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes'; and

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(2) by striking `which the owner intends to use solely for sporting purposes'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(B) Section 921(a)(4)(B) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking `which the Attorney General finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

© Section 921(a)(4) of such title is amended in the 2nd sentence by striking `which the owner intends to use solely for sporting, recreational, or cultural purposes'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(d) Section 921(a)(17)© of such title is amended by striking `a projectile which the Attorney General finds is primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes,'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(e) Section 923(j) of such title is amended by striking `devoted to the collection, competitive use, or other sporting use of firearms in the community'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(f) Section 922® of such title is amended by striking `of this chapter as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(g) Section 925(a)(3) of such title is amended by striking `determined by the Attorney General to be generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes and'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(h) Section 925(a)(4) of such title is amended by striking `(A) determined by the Attorney General to be generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes, or determined by the Department of Defense to be a type of firearm normally classified as a war souvenir, and (B)'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(i) Section 925(d)(3) of such title is amended by striking `and is generally recognized as particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(j) Section 925(e)(2) of such title is amended by striking `provided that such handguns are generally recognized as particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(k) Section 922 of such title is amended in each of subsections (a)(5), (a)(9), and (B)(3) by striking `lawful sporting purposes' and inserting `lawful purposes'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SEC. 4. REPEAL OF THE CHILD SAFETY LOCK ACT OF 2005.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(a) Amendments to Title 18, United States Code-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(1) Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking subsection (z).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(2) Section 924 of such title is amended--

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(A) in subsection (a)(1), by striking `(f), or (p)' and inserting `or (f)'; and

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(B) by striking subsection (p).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(B) Repealer- Section 5 of the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (18 U.S.C. 922 note; 119 Stat. 2099) is repealed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SEC. 5. EFFECTIVE DATE.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The provisions of this Act shall take effect immediately upon enactment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

that whould happn if it pass..

[Barihawk]

So basically:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He will end the war, open the borders, legalize pot, cut taxes (and kill the Laffer balance), cripple the US monetarily...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...and finally give every criminal on the street free access to handguns.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Uh huh.

[Ginger_Warrior]

Being someone who lives in the UK, I only get my information from Matt Fry, and BBC News. However, it seems to me that the Republican camp simply doesn't have anyone that can "Wow" the people. So for me, this is a race between Hilary Clinton and Obama.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If I was a betting man, my money would be on Hilary. I think she has the monetary resources that Obama simply does not. Also secondly, and I mean no offense by this, but America is still an incredibly racist country (Britain's not much better , but you can't hide from the truth). I just don't believe that Obama will gain enough white liberal support in order to reach Presidency.

[Barihawk]

Being someone who lives in the UK, I only get my information from Matt Fry, and BBC News. However, it seems to me that the Republican camp simply doesn't have anyone that can "Wow" the people. So for me, this is a race between Hilary Clinton and Obama.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If I was a betting man, my money would be on Hilary. I think she has the monetary resources that Obama simply does not. Also secondly, and I mean no offense by this, but America is still an incredibly racist country (Britain's not much better , but you can't hide from the truth). I just don't believe that Obama will gain enough white liberal support in order to reach Presidency.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Obama lacks the experience to survive a Presidency in the first place. I am also not fond of the fact he claimed he was not going to run for President in his first term, but did it anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't count the Republicans out yet. John McCain is a strong contender. Plus, the primaries have not even occurred yet. Nobody can predict anything until after the Primaries.

[cryztalwing]

another list of 2008 presidentl candidates.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Stephen P. "Steve" Adams (Independent-Kentucky)

 

 

 

Terry "Tee" Barkdull (New American Party-Nevada)

 

 

 

John Taylor Bowles (NSM/American Nazi Party-South Carolina)

 

 

 

Orion Karl Daley (Balanced Party-New York)

 

 

 

Cris Ericson (Marijuana Party-Vermont)

 

 

 

Vinnie Ferrari (Indepenent-DC)

 

 

 

Bob W. Hargis (Independent-Oklahoma)

 

 

 

Dan Imperato (Reform/Independent-Florida)

 

 

 

Steve Kissing (Independent-Ohio)

 

 

 

Frank McEnulty (Independent-California)

 

 

 

Ralph Nader (Independent-Connecticut)

 

 

 

Arthur J. Regan (Independent-Massachusetts)

 

 

 

"Average Joe" Schriner (Independent-Ohio)

 

 

 

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