2008 Presidential Election

[How2PK]

 

That Giulliani figure doesn't look very honest. I'm going for the black man.

 

 

 

Ha, imagine saying that in the US elections 40 years ago.

 

 

 

Hell...even 10 years ago.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yea, it's getting a little bit better every day. The woman will have her chance in about 16 years or something.

[Viktorkrum77]

 

 

That Giulliani figure doesn't look very honest. I'm going for the black man.

 

 

 

Ha, imagine saying that in the US elections 40 years ago.

 

 

 

Hell...even 10 years ago.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yea, it's getting a little bit better every day. The woman will have her chance in about 16 years or something.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I want a woman president, just not her.

[punk4ever]

Giuliani does not have the aptitude to lead a country. The only thing he has going for him is that he was an obscure mayor during the most tragic event of the 21st century, allowing him to play on the emotions of others and having more sway with the state of New York. If it does come down to Clinton v. Giuliani, it will be very interesting to see who seizes the New York vote, seeing as though Clinton serves as a senator.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In theory I am a Libertarian, but I don't have any problem relating my ideology with the Democrats. That being said (ironically), I wouldn't mind seeing McCain take the vote just because he seems the most level-headed and least easily persuaded by party lines.

[das1330]

 

I'm going for the black man.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ditto, haven't read any of his policies but he's a good speaker, I like him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For any of you who've read Tom Clancy's Executive Orders, he most reminds me of Jack Ryan, and he's what I think a proper president should be.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

thats a great book.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but my vote would go to giuliani because he did a great job as mayor of NYC, and, well hillary clinton has made too many stupid comments and done stupid things to be elected. obama would probably be a pretty good president, but aside from being a democrat, people in the south wouldnt let it happen. racism in the country is mostly gone, but it will still come up and bite you in things like this.

[1_man_army]

Well Im Scottish so my opinion will make no difference to the results in real life but for what its worth I'd like to see Barack Obama win.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I like most of his policies (well the ones that I know of at the moment) and I think he has a certain charisma that has been lacking during the Bush era.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I also think though that Obama should be judged purely on his policies and his skills as a leader and not on his race, I think it would be a mistake to vote for him purely to see a black man as President as demeans the whole concept of becoming President. The post should be filled by the person who is thought to be the most capable not the person who belongs to a certain demographic group that hasn't held the post before. The same principle applies to Hilary Clinton judge her on her policies not just her gender.

[Kaphias]

Feel free to quote me when I say that there is no chance a Republican is going to be President in '08.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm pretty confident we'll either have the first female President, or the first black President. Not sure which at this point. Maybe Oprah should run and win both of those titles. Haha.

 

 

 

I'm pretty confident I agree with you.

[runepaladn]

I'd rather move to Soviet Russia than have Hillary Clinton as president...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Barack Obama seems to be a great candidate, but I also like John Edwards quite a bit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm still undecided on who I'm voting for, it'll be the first time I ever get to vote too!

[KCHughes]

Feel free to quote me when I say that there is no chance a Republican is going to be President in '08.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm feeling pretty free right now. :P And I have to agree, mostly because Rudy Giuliani will without a doubt win the Republican nomination, and he'll lose. From what I've heard, "his" city improvements were actually other peoples' actions, but he just used his influence to put his name all over what they did. There was some independent infrastructure improvement in New York City somewhere and the slogan on it said "The only thing in the city that Rudy hasn't taken over yet" until Giuliani made them take it off. He just has an aura of deceit about him. Reminds me of Al Capone, in a way. I could see Giuliani carrying around a Thompson sub-machine gun and mowing down his political rivals. :P

[Tigra00]

I just can't wait to see the campaign adds...Obama is going to get slandered pretty hardcore, I think. Over stupid stuff already mentioned, like that he went to a muslim school or whatever. As if that even matters...Isn't he a Christian now? Yea, who cares.

[Barihawk]

I hope people don't swing their vote just for race... :|

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Obama has some good characteristics, but no experience! He's like the baby kid in politics! Less than ONE Senatorial term.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, but even the youngest President JFK had numerous terms under his belt before he even tried for the Oval Office.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hillary = AntiChrist. Sorry, that's how I feel. Her stances on everything tick me off.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Giulliani: Too liberal. Not tough enough. His bark is worse than his bite.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

McCain: I'd vote for him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Brownback: The person I would most vote for, but it's unlikely he will make it to the final place.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All this talk of "about time a woman ran" or "finally, a black president." I'd happily give my vote to Condileezza Rice :).

[das1330]

I hope people don't swing their vote just for race... :|

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Obama has some good characteristics, but no experience! He's like the baby kid in politics! Less than ONE Senatorial term.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, but even the youngest President JFK had numerous terms under his belt before he even tried for the Oval Office.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hillary = AntiChrist. Sorry, that's how I feel. Her stances on everything tick me off.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Giulliani: Too liberal. Not tough enough. His bark is worse than his bite.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

McCain: I'd vote for him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Brownback: The person I would most vote for, but it's unlikely he will make it to the final place.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All this talk of "about time a woman ran" or "finally, a black president." I'd happily give my vote to Condileezza Rice :).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your post here seems to be identical to what im thinking :shock:

[Tigra00]

Obama's inexperience in politics may be a GOOD thing this time around...People are sick of the corrupt geriatric losers we have in office right now. They sit on their [wagon], don't do a thing, and just worry about raising money for running again. People are over it and they want something new.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I correctly guessed the last two electorial outcomes, and I'm pretty confident about these as well...Even more-so, perhaps. There's no way a republican will win, and it'll either be Hilary or Obama...Hilary has a lot going for her in terms of knowledge and popularity and stuff, but Obama just seems so much bigger. I really have no idea what it is, but people love him. No idea how it even happened, but whatever. I'm probably voting for him just because he doesn't act like your average a-hole politician.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: Oh yea, and a vote for McCain is a vote for his VP, because there is no way that dude is going to last 4 more years. He's so old. :lol:

[Kewl_Sabre]

I hope people don't swing their vote just for race... :|

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Obama has some good characteristics, but no experience! He's like the baby kid in politics! Less than ONE Senatorial term.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, but even the youngest President JFK had numerous terms under his belt before he even tried for the Oval Office.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hillary = AntiChrist. Sorry, that's how I feel. Her stances on everything tick me off.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Giulliani: Too liberal. Not tough enough. His bark is worse than his bite.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

McCain: I'd vote for him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Brownback: The person I would most vote for, but it's unlikely he will make it to the final place.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All this talk of "about time a woman ran" or "finally, a black president." I'd happily give my vote to Condileezza Rice :).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My political opinions line up pretty much exactly opposite of yours. But considering past debates I've seen you in, that doesn't surprise me. I can agree with you about Hillary though. :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I like Obama, but I think he lacks the experience to get the nomination. In the end I think it'll be McCain and Hillary, although I hear Romney is doing better in the polls.

[Hab3k]

I don't live in America but I would prefer Obama or Clinton. I'm glad, Bush can be voted no longer.

[Satenza]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hillary = AntiChrist. Sorry, that's how I feel. Her stances on everything tick me off.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anti-war, pro-liberty, anti-indoctrination, pro-choice, pro-equality. She really is the devil incarnate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for McCain, attempting to force more christian ideals onto children - pro indoctrination. Stopping gay people getting married - anti-choice. For stricter death sentance penalty - encouraging this barbaric law even futher. Anti-Abortion, again anti-choice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When will people realize that the Government is not meant to control your lives, it's meant to protect your ability to do so yourself. Authoritarian states are suppressive to the individual and all about tyranny of the majority.

[unknownmasterofnothing]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hillary = AntiChrist. Sorry, that's how I feel. Her stances on everything tick me off.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anti-war, pro-liberty, anti-indoctrination, pro-choice, pro-equality. She really is the devil incarnate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So you prefer pro war, slavery, no choice, inequality.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hilary just pisses me off with her anti video game stance.

[Satenza]

Of course not, i was being sarcastic.

[goldphishies]

Well.... anyone if it's not Obama or Clinton. Clinton just bugs me, she is a total non American. When you think of the Red, White, and Blue phrase, you don't have a picture of Hillary Clinton pop up in your head. Nothing personal against Obama, I just don't like him. But I'd take him over Miss Clinton any day.

[Barihawk]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hillary = AntiChrist. Sorry, that's how I feel. Her stances on everything tick me off.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anti-war, pro-liberty, anti-indoctrination, pro-choice, pro-equality. She really is the devil incarnate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for McCain, attempting to force more christian ideals onto children - pro indoctrination. Stopping gay people getting married - anti-choice. For stricter death sentance penalty - encouraging this barbaric law even futher. Anti-Abortion, again anti-choice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When will people realize that the Government is not meant to control your lives, it's meant to protect your ability to do so yourself. Authoritarian states are suppressive to the individual and all about tyranny of the majority.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Me = Republican Conservative Fundamentalist Christian. McCain sounds pretty darn good to me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hillary would instantly stop the war in Iraq, sending that region into the depths of Hades that could very well escalate into a full blown war, if not World War 3.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't really mind gay's rights, but I am strongly against abortion. Slander and criticize me as a roadblock of progress all you want, I stand for it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Authority is needed, else we have a nice anarchy. The Constitution prevents total freedom.

[Satenza]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hillary = AntiChrist. Sorry, that's how I feel. Her stances on everything tick me off.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anti-war, pro-liberty, anti-indoctrination, pro-choice, pro-equality. She really is the devil incarnate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for McCain, attempting to force more christian ideals onto children - pro indoctrination. Stopping gay people getting married - anti-choice. For stricter death sentance penalty - encouraging this barbaric law even futher. Anti-Abortion, again anti-choice.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When will people realize that the Government is not meant to control your lives, it's meant to protect your ability to do so yourself. Authoritarian states are suppressive to the individual and all about tyranny of the majority.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Me = Republican Conservative Fundamentalist Christian. McCain sounds pretty darn good to me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hillary would instantly stop the war in Iraq, sending that region into the depths of Hades that could very well escalate into a full blown war, if not World War 3.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't really mind gay's rights, but I am strongly against abortion. Slander and criticize me as a roadblock of progress all you want, I stand for it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Authority is needed, else we have a nice anarchy. The Constitution prevents total freedom.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Authority is needed to the point of stopping others from harming one another. Not forcing one persons ideals onto everyone else. Even if you are a republica, conservative fundementalist christian you should be able respect people's choices. Authority is a neccessary evil that protects freedom, it does not dictate freedom.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is everyone like you? No. Should everyone behave and follow the same (questionable) morality you do? If so thats suppressive. Suppression only causes more harm to individuality. Come on, why do you want everyone to follow your strict rules, can't you admire humanity for being differant instead of wanting to indoctrinate people into your way of living?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Authoritarian states do more harm than good to themselves, they enforce morality not everyone obides by, they kick any emprical sense of finding truth in the face and they become dead dogma.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can't you choose to live how you wish, and let others to live how they wish? Are you so afraid of humanity that you need to bubble wrap them in your own codes and morality?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here's something i wrote on why Liberty is so much better than oppressive auhtority;

 

 

 

 

 

 

As we all know, we have differing opinions and it is natural that we disagree with one another and a very important step in learning in an empirical sense. We as humans have belief, which orchestrates our lives. This belief however should be subject to open disagreement. When one believes that their belief is knowledge we have problems, and this is the main problem I see with any form of organized religion. A fundamentalist would deny any truth in anything conflicting their own belief, however illogical and irrational this is. Anyone who takes their belief to be knowledge without it being justified and true is a dangerous person indeed. So when asked the question, ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅWho should rule?ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâÃ

[Bufoman]

Well said Satenza. that said who should we vote for beliveing they will protect us from while giveing us liberty?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hilery Clinton is Anti Guns which meens she would be in favor of takeing away my right to keep and bear arms. now many of you may think guns in the controll of private citizens is a bad thing but I do not belive it is. in austraila when they took away private citizens right to own fire arms I do belive heering reports from the NRA that home invasions increased by 900 percent.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

John mcain is not a concervitive in my oppinion no more than bush is. he was traumatized by the north veitmeise while a POW. do we want a man who was traumatized controlling the country?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

as to Obama I don't know enough about him to say one way or anouther. I myself am a concervitive and not affileated with any party. it is my belife that both party's have become corrupted beyond repair a long time ago.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If there was one man I would stake my money on winning the election it would be a newcomer practicaly unheard of by the media like Michael Savage. he I agree with the most but is only mulling for running. his platform of Borders, Language and Culture strikes a chord with many american's and myself. and in my oppinion he is a compassionate conservitive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

he is also quite sharp as he must be to be a talkshow host.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It would be refreshing to see a 3rd party canadate who has not been corrupted by the politicall machine become president and begin the painstakeing work of fixeing our broken nation. healing our sick society that thinks the multilation of others reproductive organs is a big joke on tv. healing a sick nation that can barely keep its infrustructure in working order while it pours money into places like Iraq, places that in my oppinion we should not of gone to for the resons we did.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Some one who would repair our borders which are so broken that our border patroll agents are sent to prision for shooting at drug smugglers who try to escape or sharifs deputy's who try to shoot out the tires of a van that almost ran him over and ends up hitting a illegal alien who was stuffed in a wheel well.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

some one who would try to fix our broken currency not inflate it with cheep goods from country's like china. some one who would do everything in his power to protect his people not come on tv and say " we know we will be attacked again but we cant protect you" when its so easy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Secure our boarders, our language, and our culture. if we had a presidential Canadate with the currage to try and do so he would have my vote.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but as it stands all I can see is the lesser of two evils as I have seen most of my life. I am sick of this corrupt 2 party system. and I belive so are many of my fellow american's

[Flametrooper]

IF I could vote, I'd vote Obama.

[ktmcf121]

if it comes down to hilary vs anyone, i'd vote for anyone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

if it comes down to obama vs giuliani, that would be a tough one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

if it comes down to mccain vs anyone, i'd probably vote for mccain.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

basically as long as hilary or gore is not the next president we're doing ok.

[Nitramosma]

It would be refreshing to see a 3rd party canadate who has not been corrupted by the politicall machine become president and begin the painstakeing work of fixeing our broken nation. healing our sick society that thinks the multilation of others reproductive organs is a big joke on tv. healing a sick nation that can barely keep its infrustructure in working order while it pours money into places like Iraq, places that in my oppinion we should not of gone to for the resons we did.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I totally agree with you, but unfortunately it seems the only to get elected in this country is to be affiliated with one party or the other.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good old George Washington had it right when he said that political parties would be the worst thing possible to happen to our country's political system.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Realistically its hard to afford the kind of advertising you would need as a third party candidate. Also many people in this country, for good or bad, will register with one party and vote for that party until hell freezes over.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think that since at this point it is almost impossible to break away from the 2 party system in one election, what we need is someone who is neither far right nor far left. But thats the issue. While people would vote for someone who is in that position in the election if they were endorsed by one party or the other, that type of person will never win either party's primary election.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As it stands I'm in favor of McCain.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The main reason that Obama scares me is that he is too inexperienced and no one knows where he stands because thus far he as avoided the issues and merely been rallying popularity. And we can't even look at his voting record to see where he is because he hasn't even had one full senatorial term.

[Barihawk]

Satenza, just because John McCain believes those things, does not mean he will act on them like President Bush.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My job in real life requires me to be fully objective on all matters. I work with gay people without even worrying about it, even though I am thoroughly against homosexuality. I am ragingly anti-abortion, but I have given several young accidental fathers the addresses of abortion clinics. I give them all the options, but I don't hide anything.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

John McCain is an honest and good man. I imagine he could handle the war in Iraq much better than the current President, and will still be able to devote time to domestic matters that actually improve the nation.