Please set a minimum font size?

[D. V. Devnull]

Hello, Tip.It Admins and Mods...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

While I was going through my usual list of catchups (aka: the "egosearch" function), I tripped over the following post, which has a line in it that is so small, it is frustrating to read:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?p=4462472#4462472

 

 

 

(Post is by "mario_sunny")

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now, I don't mind blowing up my font size just a little at times to read something, but when I have to scroll the mousewheel 40 times to enlarge the font far enough, that is far too much.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So I present the following suggestion in the form of a question:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Would you (Tip.It) please set a minimum forum-wide post font size of somewhere from '6 px' to '8 px', so that people can't post overly small '1 px'-sized text???

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(Trust me, '9 px' is too big. I tried. :( ...)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Best regards, and thanks in advance,

 

 

 

Mr. D. V. Devnull

[jemathonical]

It is annoying

 

 

 

It is annoying

 

 

 

It is annoying

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think size 9 or 8 should be minimum.

 

 

 

But if I do see small font, I just quote the message and it all comes up.

[Errdoth]

Scrolling the mousewheel like, to zoom? I usually just hit the quote button to read whatever is written small. Though I agree. With the spoiler BBCode, there is no need to post in size 1px.

[D. V. Devnull]

The reason I began this suggestion thread is because of 2 facts:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1.) Tip.It's bandwidth is vital, and this should be kept in mind.

 

 

 

2.) You can't pull up the quote mode on Locked Threads, even if they are only locked temporarily until they can be put in the right place.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Point Made??? :-s

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Mr. Devnull

[Errdoth]

Point Made??? :-s

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All too well.

[Cruiser]

1.) Tip.It's bandwidth is vital, and this should be kept in mind.

 

 

 

Font size has 0 to do with bandwidth usage. The font size is rendered client side and is the same amount of data either way. The difference between the font-size css being added and not being there is so minimal it isn't worth dealing with either. The size of the open and close span tags for each size change adds a whole 57 bytes to the page.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2.) You can't pull up the quote mode on Locked Threads, even if they are only locked temporarily until they can be put in the right place.

 

 

 

So copy and paste to the URL bar if it's a short line or open up notepad and paste it there. Staff shouldn't have to do more work because you don't like enlarging text. :?

[tripsis]

This is actually something that was brought to our attention a while ago. I also agree that size 8 or 9 should be the limit. I'd say that most things put in size 1 font and such are rude comments anyway.. Or just thinks like "JK!"

[Dragontotem]

This is actually something that was brought to our attention a while ago. I also agree that size 8 or 9 should be the limit. I'd say that most things put in size 1 font and such are rude comments anyway.. Or just thinks like "JK!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yer, thats annoying :?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, devnulls point is clear to me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think there should be a size limit..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's annoying when people post with 1, although i can copy/paste text to notepad and read it there, it still is very annoying.

[the_tallest1]

You also have to consider monitor resolution in this since what is microscopic to some is legible to others.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The solution to this is just set a default minimum size for fonts in your browser. I learned how to do this from Ard and it's pretty handy. I have mine set to size 9 which works just fine on the forum.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For Firefox, go to Tools -> Options -> Content tab -> Font & Colors -> Advanced -> Minimum Font Size.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For Internet Explorer, go to Tools -> Internet Options -> General Tab -> Accessibility then check "Ignore font sizes specified on Web pages". Once you've done that, go to View -> Text Size and adjust the size as desired.

[Ks_Jeppe]

You need to find a better hobby if you counted that you scrolled 40 times :P *hides*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But really, it's not that hard to figure out what it says, and when people do it it acts to send a "feel" or attitude with the message, which imo isn't all that wrong to do... That being said, i'd have to agree that 1-5px are a bit too small for font sizes, but really, 8-9 as the minimum? that's huge in some fonts which the templates use, 6 would be a much better minimum IMO...

[D. V. Devnull]

@Cruiser: Calling up the "Quote" command has a lot to do with bandwidth usage, as well as direct strain on the remote server (Forum.Tip.It)... Did you think of this?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@the_tallest1: I'm running the standard minimum resolution for the web these days (1024x768)... trust me, a lot of people who don't voice it are ticked off by '1 px' font sizes :? (they just don't have enough of a mind to admit it, at least, not until a person like myself comes through and sets 2 feet down... there's one other guy I'd mention, but this forum doesn't allow "naming names")... Further, do you think everyone is running IE/FF??? There are at least a dozen other browsers out there, half of which I don't even know the names of, but I do know they exist! We shouldn't be "leaving them hanging", as the saying goes... Also, I am sure there are many old people who take an utter distaste to being unable to read stuff (For example, anyone's "old man")...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@Ks_Jeppe: LOL!!! :lol: ... Did you notice the fact that I gave a general area of '6 px' to '8 px' in the suggestion??? I think your thought is already kept in mind and covered. 8-)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, I've said my "body-mutilating, bone-crushing, and ground-shaking" piece. Now to see what each of you reply with, eh? :-s

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Mr. D. V. Devnull

[the_tallest1]

I wouldn't presume to think that people are only using those two browsers. My post was more about "the most good for the most possible". IE and FF make up 89.9% of browsers used (Reference link). When you factor in that and an existing way of reading it (quoting or copy/paste) I don't see a pressing need for this modification. I'm merely looking at this from the perspective of Albosky having to take time to devote to something like this. Considering the niche user base this would apply to I don't think it's one of the more urgent matters he could be attending to. However, I won't speak on his behalf, this is merely my perspective on matters. :wink:

[tripsis]

I use Safari and haven't found a way to set a minimum size for all websites. I can only set a minimum size for websites that haven't designated a certain font size (so that wouldn't work for Tip.it). If anyone has any bright ideas, I'm all ears! :XD:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As long as more people don't start using font size 1 and such, I guess I'm okay with it. It can just be irksome at times to have to highlight, then copy & paste something just to read what it says. So as long as only a select few people do it, it's not a big problem for me.

[chris1216]

1) copy text

 

 

 

2) paste in url box

 

 

 

3) voila? is this somehow an incredibly complicated procedure?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First, your nonsense about hitting the quote box makes zero sense, considering the above procedure. Just because Jemathonical takes the time to hit the quote button doesn't mean everyone does, which means your hallucinated "direct strain on the server" doesn't exist

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Second, the number of times that incredibly small text is used is such a small percentage of all posts that this isn't worth generating a rule over.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tallest merely posted a suggestion for IE and FF users to set a minimum font on their own if it bothers them this much, which already covers 90% of tip it users according to his reference.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Third, considering how many issues, rule disputes and general maintenance issues the staff have to deal with, did you ever consider how much strain this utterly insignificant issue would put on moderators and administrators? I'd rather see them spending their time on real problems.

[Errdoth]

First, your nonsense about hitting the quote box makes zero sense, considering the above procedure. Just because Jemathonical takes the time to hit the quote button doesn't mean everyone does, which means your hallucinated "direct strain on the server" doesn't exist

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do, and just because you don't, doesn't mean everyone doesn't.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Second, the number of times that incredibly small text is used is such a small percentage of all posts that this isn't worth generating a rule over.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What forum do you hide in? Who doesn't love adding or reading the snide little remarks hidden in a thread?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tallest merely posted a suggestion for IE and FF users to set a minimum font on their own if it bothers them this much, which already covers 90% of tip it users according to his reference.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I tried what he said, it really just wasn't very aesthetically pleasing to me to have all of the fonts the same size, it takes the minimal emphasis you can put on words away.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Third, considering how many issues, rule disputes and general maintenance issues the staff have to deal with, did you ever consider how much strain this utterly insignificant issue would put on moderators and administrators? I'd rather see them spending their time on real problems.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And these real problems are?

[____]

If you're chasing a rule over tiny text - it should be more:

 

 

 

Do not post entire messages in font size < x

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rather than:

 

 

 

Never post in font size < x

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The occasional short statement in small font is fine.

[chris1216]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do, and just because you don't, doesn't mean everyone doesn't.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What forum do you hide in? Who doesn't love adding or reading the snide little remarks hidden in a thread?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I tried what he said, it really just wasn't very aesthetically pleasing to me to have all of the fonts the same size, it takes the minimal emphasis you can put on words away.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And these real problems are?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1) Okay? Your point is? Unless you can tell me a) that massive numbers of people hit the quote button to figure out what tiny text means and that B) that actually causes a load on the server, this argument about server load still has zero logic behind it

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2) If your argument about the snide remarks is true, that's reason to keep the ability to make tiny font around because people enjoy making and reading them

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3) Again, who cares? Like Cruiser said, implementing and enforcing an entire new rule should not occur because some users are too lazy to copy and paste a line of text into either notepad or their url box. If exerting that few calories of energy is too much work for you, this entire argument is the least of your problems.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4) If you have such a huge problem with the small text, don't read it then?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

5) I've yet to see an entire message by someone made entirely in 1px font, and even if they do exist, are they an actual integer percentage of all posts made on tip.it forums? Highly unlikely.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

6) Do you have no conception of the work required to maintain this website? Don't forget that tip.it is composed also of a massive website that requires constant maintenance and updates, along with the "excitement" of constantly dealing with pms from forum users, complaints, bans, and god knows what else.

[Ks_Jeppe]

@D_V_Devnull: once again i'd have to remind you that you're not the centre of the universe, and due to that fact, my post was directed at people like tripsis, jemathonical ;)

[Cruiser]

@Cruiser: Calling up the "Quote" command has a lot to do with bandwidth usage, as well as direct strain on the remote server (Forum.Tip.It)... Did you think of this?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So don't use it. Take the lead and reduce strain on the server by looking at it locally in a text editor. This is why I suggested you copy and paste the text elsewhere to enlarge it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You seem to like bringing up server usage when it has very minimal impact on the system as a whole. People using the quote button to read tiny text will be a very, very small percentage of the overall use of the system. Stop bothering the admins over piddly little things you can fix on your own with tools that come with the freaking OS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Copy and paste to a text editor. Problem solved, on every system. End of story.

[Celt23]

Highlight the text and right click, and click copy. Then right click in any text input box and click paste.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But anyway I agree, it can be a pain to read text this small, but just use the method above which I bet you are trying out on this line of text right now in the meantime!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also when I use Opera I don't have this problem.

[jemathonical]

Highlight the text and right click, and click copy. Then right click in any text input box and click paste.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But anyway I agree, it can be a pain to read text this small, but just use the method above which I bet you are trying out on this line of text right now in the meantime!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also when I use Opera I don't have this problem.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I just quoted that, I find it much easier. And I can make it bigger too.

[pokemama]

"Mr." Devnull. Take a hint:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Staff shouldn't have to do more work because you don't like enlarging text. :?

I'm merely looking at this from the perspective of Albosky having to take time to devote to something like this. Considering the niche user base this would apply to I don't think it's one of the more urgent matters he could be attending to.

Third' date=' considering how many issues, rule disputes and general maintenance issues the staff have to deal with, did you ever consider how much strain this utterly insignificant issue would put on moderators and administrators? I'd rather see them spending their time on real problems.[/quote']

6) Do you have no conception of the work required to maintain this website? Don't forget that tip.it is composed also of a massive website that requires constant maintenance and updates' date=' along with the "excitement" of constantly dealing with pms from forum users, complaints, bans, and god knows what else.[/quote']

@D_V_Devnull: once again i'd have to remind you that you're not the centre of the universe' date=' and due to that fact, my post was directed at people like tripsis, jemathonical ;)[/quote']

Stop bothering the admins over piddly little things you can fix on your own with tools that come with the freaking OS.

 

 

 

I recommend setting a goal for yourself of not posting in the Forum Discussion board for at least a month, unless the forums are actually on fire. Sorry for my tone, but ... jeez.

[Guest]

Oh my Goodness me, Mr Devnull. You sir are a disgrace. Seriously is it that big of an issue?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And please stop worrying about others people's jobs around here (mainly the role of a mod and admin)! You're too busy concerned about bandwidth and all that irrelevant stuff that a normal user shouldn't even worry about. Atleast wait to you've sucked up enough to the people in charge (don't worry your doing a great job at it!) and get that mod position you so badly want, before you continue on trying to fulfill an admins job I see you do so often. Seriously.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And to prove my point, was it that hard to quote me, so you could see what I have written? :roll:

[darkblade986]

And to prove my point, was it that hard to quote me, so you could see what I have written? :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I tend to agree a bit... I went in and did was tripsis said (I think it was tripsis) and set the minimum font size to 9. Given, the text is still a little small, but it's definately readable. If you have that much of a problem with it, and the option to fix it is available on your end, then you probably shouldn't waste your time complaining about it or the time of the Administrators who could be using that time to try and make the site better.

[____]

For the record - I can actually read size 1 font without having to zoom or copy paste when using Opera.

 

 

 

FireFox I can read 3 clearly. IE it's like 5.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not that much of an issue :-?